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Grace (Sugi_C)(9a (Northern California))

I'd have better luck finding a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow that finding stauntonia on this continent. LOL

Arbo -- the seven years almost turned me off, but...looking at the photos, if/when it does bloom, it's stunning. I want that!

Of course in that many years, I very well could've moved to Hawaii...but I'll be happy knowing it's blooming for the next folks.

And who knows? Maybe the plants I got are six year olds in tiny little pots, haha.

Grace

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 4:33PM
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Campanula UK Z8

Ah, that is unfortunate. I did look for stauntonia hexaphylla and saw that ForestFarms.com did carry it (currently out of stock) but you might try it's near relative akebia quinata...but try to find the lovely pale flowered one. It should remain evergreen for you and may even fruit (edible).
Or seeds are more easily available (Chilterns amongst others will ship to the US) and I think Plantworld also carries it.

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 7:20PM
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Campanula UK Z8

Nope - it isn't a perennial here. I sometimes manage to overwinter a plant but even in my greenhouse, they are iffy. On the other hand, one tiny plant, bought in spring, would provide cuttings for a dozen people to share...and have sizeable plants by late summer when they finally show some flowers (mine are just emerging).

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 4:47PM
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linlily(z5/6PA)

Wish it was perennial here. I had a plant that someone from down south sent me and I really enjoyed it that year. I'd love to try it again but I forget to try to find some in the spring.

Linda

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 6:06PM
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growlove(zone4 Ia.)

I only have the large Joe Pye, but control it by clipping it in half each year. Perhaps some trimming would help control the height in Little Joe also?

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 2:08PM
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twrosz

This is my third year with 'Baby Joe' and it has never failed to impress. The young new growth has such nice color and texture that everyone remarks of its beauty and the plant just continues on looking great all season. Oh, and yes, its height is about 3 ft in my deeply dug and amended garden soil. Next spring, 'Baby Joe' will be divided and spread around to numerous locations throughout my yard, did I mention that I LOVE this plant! Seeing aachenelf's beautiful photo of 'Little Joe' makes me realize I must also get this one!

'Baby Joe' autumn foliage shot

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 5:16PM
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RedSun (Zone 6, NJ)

Great. I think this may be its sister flower, Bidens aristosa. The leaves have less tooth. I can't tell the difference of the flowerheads....

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 10:13PM
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Campanula UK Z8

Yep, I would agree with one of the bidens (not the rampageous heterophylla though, thankfully)

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 5:01PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

a sharpened shovel ...

ken

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 4:33PM
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Something to ponder.....Hmmmmm
Posted by emerogork2(5) September 23, 2014
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sandyslopes z5 n. UT

....."end up dong a double-lutz as I walk to my car." Emerogork2, that made me laugh!

I'm going to enjoy autumn as long as possible. I'm still picking lots of tomatoes, the leaves are just started to change colors, and we still have crickets chirping at night. Fall is wonderful.

About winter: It's nice to have four seasons. Winter is a no guilt time of year. Not a weed in sight. Yeah, that's the ticket, winter is a great time of year...... NO! No, it's not! I can't talk myself into this any longer. I'm over it.

The only good thing about winter is that it's followed by SPRING!

    Bookmark     September 25, 2014 at 2:35AM
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growlove(zone4 Ia.)

I enjoy winter because by late Fall, I am weary of gardening and ready to put it to bed. Winter can be brutal, but I don't have to be out in it and by Spring, I rejoice in the little bleeding hearts poking through and I am anxious to get digging in the soil and planning new plants for the gardens. There is no stopping a gardener, it's in the soul, much like farmers. We rejoice when new plants have survived and anticipate new plants we will discover at the nurseries.

    Bookmark     September 28, 2014 at 2:18PM
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linaria_gw

I will try to answer, if no onechimes in

Have not done it myself,
If you mean Alyssum montanum or A saxatile, that is not exactly a perennial but rather a subshrub, like Rosemary or Lavander. Those transplant really badly when very old, how long is yours on its present spot?

If, then I would move it after flowering, clipp back sharp, and replant. And if it is older than 5 y, I would try to start cuttings.

Hope that helps, bye, Lin

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 3:38PM
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mary_max

Thanks for your answer Lin! Yes this is Basket of Gold, Gold Dust (Aurinia saxatilis). I winter sowed them and some have been in ground one full year, others for two years. I thought perhaps I could move them this early fall as I think I would like them in a better location. (mass planting) But I have read two different articles saying they don't like being moved. Perhaps I better leave them alone. :)

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 4:26PM
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arbo_retum(z5 ,WinchstrMA)

Eupatorium Chocolate is the 'seedingest' perennial i have. It grows any and every where. shade, dry, - no problem. Right up there w/ it is Persicaria Lance Corporal. Same attributes but shorter- corydalis lutea. Man, i could give you truckloads of all 3.

If you do ever come across Rhodotypos in the wild- it is the only shrub (except for wild honeysuckle bush and red wing euonymus) that will grow in my dry shade (where i have tried and lost more things than i care to remember.)
Rhodo....jet beard- is related to kerria i think. white kerria-like flowers; sooo pretty in spring; lots of black berries in fall. Ours came from some nearby woods.
mindy

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 12:16AM
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catkin(UDSA Zone 8)

I have Chocolate that gets only morning sun and it's about a foot and a half tall, has barely increased in size and still is only in bud. In sun, it gets at least three feet tall and clumps get noticably bigger each year. It has never seeded in the many years it's been in the ground, perhaps that's only because it does bloom so late then gets cut down before it has a chance. Although many years it never got cut down till Spring. The foliage on this plant stays reliably pristine throughout the season (mentioned before). I use it in bouquets as a filler with a little Miscanthus thrown in and it lasts well! That is, when I cut flowers...a rarity!

What about a daylily? They're tough as nails and some have especially tall bloom stems. I found one earlier this Summer in one of my borders that was obscured behind an evergreen in the shade and it was blooming its heart out--a deep purplish red with a yellow throat! I divided and moved it front and center in my newly deepened beds.

Hoping you find a solution!

This post was edited by catkin on Sat, Sep 27, 14 at 15:27

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 3:13PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

I am a bit obsessed with all things ALLIUM ;).

For something a bit different consider those alliums with *yellow* flowers such as OBLIQUUM and MOLY.

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 7:13PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Don't neglect fall blooming allium Ozawa..

I planted this last year at this time after getting this suggestion on GW. But I put them on the front edge of a garden which is for all intents and purposes is wild. This border would get "whipper snipped" and most of the time "Ozawa" would get mown down. I dont see any sign of them...my fault.

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 7:17AM
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Atharaenea(6 (Louisville, KY))

Louisville, KY. I've had problems with mites this year in general, starting with the roses in May. I think they live in the grass, and the lawn crew blows clippings all over our gardens, which is why I already had the Forbid 4F. I bought the butterfly bush this late because I was busy with school and work, but got a few week's break in late July/early August, which is when I expanded my garden and bought new plants to fill it.

I amended the planting hole because it's solid red clay below 2 inches down. And it was doing okay until the mites. I have some salvia that was also attacked, which I treated the same way as the butterfly bush, but it only improved.

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 3:24PM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

Two points:

Never fertilize a stressed plant.

Butterfly bushes rarely succeed with fall planting in zones 6 and lower.

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 6:23AM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

I found that the trailing branches would root . Good plant in Texas. All the artemisias are. I think our soil and arid weather keep some of the bad ones in semi control. Silver mound on the other hand is too finicky. the heat and humidity turns it to nothingness. I am about ready to plant one of the bad ones. I have given it a hillside.

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 10:47PM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

Again, 'Powys Castle' is not a "slow" runner--it doesn't run at all--it's more of a sub shrub, bushing out from a very small, woody footprint. Winter issues can be settled by giving it the best drainage possible.

    Bookmark     September 27, 2014 at 6:14AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

There is also A. "Inca Ice", hardy in zone 5. It's been trialed at Walter's Gardens (MI I think?) for a number of years and has proven hardy for them.

Did any GW members in zone 5 get "Inca Ice" to survive this past fierce winter planted in the ground?

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 2:38PM
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cenepk10

Visited the garden of the friend who gave me the alstroemerias- his are growing crazy ! He has them in a protected spot - almost shady - in a low, damp spot. Make mine look starved. Those suckers were popping up all over the yard- of course- his yard is complete mondo grass- the whole acre. Gorgeous garden. Mature & lush.

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 9:01PM
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gardenweed_z6a

Check out 'Bonfire.' I bought six of them a few years ago and they're all still going strong.

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 7:32PM
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pitimpinai(z6 Chicago)

grosspointe,
I don't recall how my G. Rozanne behaved the first year since it's been at least 10 years since I planted the first one. But it is normal for perennials to take at least one season to establish. As long as the plants get plenty of sun (although Rozanne does very well in partial sun), moisture and get good drainage, they should do better and better in later years.

I planted 6 Rozanne. I lost two but it's because their neighbors had crowded them out. The remaining ones are doing very well. I love the sprawling habit and its color that deepens as fall approaches.

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 11:47AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I removed the Geranium that I had, that I believed to be 'Rozanne'. I think it was mislabeled as something else, but it certainly looked like everyone's Rozanne. I was just ready to get rid of a lot in the spring and that made it onto my list.

I have only one coreopsis left. I bought 'Sienna Sunset' which is not the bi color you asked about, but is in that later series of cultivars. I'm potting it up to give away. Just have not found an application for it that I'm wild about. It has been hardy though and came back fine after last year's hard winter.

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 4:31PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

there is an iris forum ... i have never seen many of those peeps here ... but watch zone info .. a lot of the hardcore are in warmer climes ...

never know where you will find the best info

next to yoru name above.. it says NONE ... if you go to your members page.. you can change that to zone and big city ... it will help us to remember.. where you are ... sometimes it matters ...

for me.. ground heave in late winter.. in MI ... would be the issue ...

ken

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 6:57AM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Here, winter moisture management is the issue. I don't think I've had a single tuberous iris survive planting after the end of August. They just don't have the root system necessary to wick the water away.

Dealing with potential frost heave is easy. Just put a fairly large stone or brick over the rhizome.

    Bookmark     September 26, 2014 at 8:24AM
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