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hvhay

Thank you guys so much for your advice and encouragement, I really appreciate it! That other thread was very helpful too and I will have to check out some of the plants and books that were recommended there. I also love that Erysimum 'Bowles' Mauve' and it's definitely going on the list for the front. I agree that with our water situation we don't want a lot of grass here and that's also a good point about the mowing.

The little bed in question is about 10x3. I'm attaching a picture. It faces southwest and gets lots of sun. I'm not sure about the soil--that is something I will have to find out. From 2014-08-28

I'm starting here because I'm quite intimidated at the thought of planning the side and front yards: From 2014-08-28 From 2014-08-28

But I think I will just have to dive in and try some things and not worry too much about getting it all perfect right from the get-go... We are getting pretty tired of the mulch look and need something alive here!

    Bookmark     August 28, 2014 at 9:59AM
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cecily(7 VA)

Many small nurseries offer free or low price landscape design planning. You could visit a couple of nurseries and have them draw up plans for you then think it over and research the plants they recommend. You have a lovely home (love the stone porch) in a climate ideal for gardening: you really can't go wrong.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2014 at 12:57PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Some Hostas are fine in sun. Do a search in the form at the bottom of the Hosta forum for sun Hostas. There are other large leafed plants. You can do a search in this forum for that since I know there have been threads on large foliage recently.

Look at reticulated iris which bloom here at the same time as species crocuses.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2014 at 8:49AM
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gardenweed_z6a

The link below takes you to the New Hampshire Hosta web page listing sun-tolerant hostas. There are nearly 200 cultivars listed, giving you a reasonably broad selection.

My own variegated hakone grass is growing in a mostly shade bed surrounded by hosta, columbine, heuchera/coral bells, variegated Solomon's seal & lady's mantle.

Here is a link that might be useful: Sun tolerant hostas

    Bookmark     August 28, 2014 at 10:05AM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

I have two places I look for plants, Daves Garden PlantScout, and The U of MN's Plant Info Online. Neither listed it, so it may not be currently available in the US, though both listed several other selections of this plant. Perhaps one of the other selections is similar.

I did notice that this plant was listed as suitable for zones 3-9, and though I know nothing about gardening in your neck of the woods, that may be the reason that no one carries it locally.

Here is a link that might be useful: UMN Plant Info Online

    Bookmark     August 28, 2014 at 7:47AM
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echinaceamaniac(7)

I know it's a different plant, but I have Helianthus 'Happy Days' and it's awesome. I got it from Romence Gardens. If you look for substitutes, this is something similar. Lots of blooms on this one.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2014 at 8:22AM
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linaria_gw

IME x biokovo thrive in warm, rather dry and well draining soil.
I watched batches of them thriving in a neglected planting, using mineral soil like for green roof. They grew compact and tidy.
some in my own garden sometimes lose leaves in a dry period.

The stem turning black sounds not so good though.

Where did you place yours, what was the potting medium like?

good luck, bye, Lin

    Bookmark     August 28, 2014 at 3:41AM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

Re G. 'Rozanne'. People would be a lot happier with this plant if they understood that it's a twiner, and in fact looks its best twining into neighbors. I can't think of another plant that behaves that way without overwhelming neighbors, and seeing the blue flowers apparently coming from a shrub or another type of perennial is part of the charm.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2014 at 6:26AM
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grandmamaloy(7)

Bougainvilleas can definitely be grown in pots with good results. If they are overwintering indoors, don't expect blossoms, but otherwise, as long as you are pinching to encourage branching and giving them at least 5 hours of sun a day, they should be fine. Potted plants also need regular feeding, much more so than plants planted in the ground. They also have to have really good drainage. The problem could also be in the source for your Bougies. There is truth to the fact that some plants are better than others. How they are started can be just as important as how they are cared for once you get the home. I hope this helps.

Here is a link that might be useful: How to Grow Bougainvillea

    Bookmark     August 27, 2014 at 4:54PM
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auron22(6b OH)

In a pot a plant can only grow as much as the space provided for roots in the pot. The general rule of thumb is to pot up an inch or two every few years, if your goal is to increase the overall size of the plant. If bougies are fast enough (like wisteria), then you can pot up at larger increments. I plopped a wistera from a 1gal to a 5 gal and filled it in one season.

Decreased growth, or vigor, is typically a sign of root congestion. If you take a look at the root ball, and roots are circling everywhere and lifting all dirt....it's time for some root maintenance. I don't know when it's best to root prune bougie's though.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2014 at 1:01AM
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TexasRanger10(7)

Lavender is a real bug-a-boo. My French one looks worse than that. The Spanish one is looking good but it probably won't make it through winter. The English ones croaked. I decided to try them all to see if any would make it. They went downhill when we got humid in June (except the Spanish). Have you been humid there? That was my best guess here because they were planted in the ground in gritty soil, perfect drainage, full sun and I didn't water them since I read not to do that. I keep saying I will not try them again, then I do.

    Bookmark     August 27, 2014 at 3:12PM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

I just sprayed a big patch with roundup. It's beautiful for a little while in summer, but the one I have (c. glomerata) just spreads too much. Plus the tiniest bits of root hitchhike to new areas and spread some more.
There's probably a good reason she has them all over ~but they are beautiful.

    Bookmark     August 26, 2014 at 9:55PM
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flowergirl70ks

Variety could be Joan Elliot. My patch froze out this past winter, and I would definately buy more.

    Bookmark     August 27, 2014 at 1:43PM
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tiffy_z5_6_can(5/6)

Thanks to both for the response. I am collecting seeds so it can stay in the gardens. I'll use it as a 'filler' and keep collecting seeds yearly. :O)

    Bookmark     August 27, 2014 at 11:27AM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

There is a nice pinkish variety too that I have seen that is nice.There are several varieties in that type of salvia.

    Bookmark     August 27, 2014 at 11:39AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

back in suburbia.. on limited lot size... i too fixated on size ... etc ..

moved to 5 acres... i dont have to worry about all that nonsense ... given i have no space constraints ...

you know what..??? .. the garden can take care of itself and i dont have to force my predisposition on it all ... and 99% of the time... i like the result ... its what i would call the 'cottage garden' look ... as compared to 'formal garden' look ...

the other 1% die.. for not cooperating with my outlook .. lol ...

my point.. if i have one... you spent a lot of time and effort.. trying to force your will on the plants ... and you were constantly frustrated ... thats not quite what the garden should do for you.. raise your blood pressure ... let the peeps with the garden staff.. do the whole 'formal' thing ....

so you let them do their own thing.. and now they are happy.. and you are happy ... one might call that .. a more zen approach to the garden ...

ken

    Bookmark     August 25, 2014 at 10:29AM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

Wow they look great, and that's a real nice late summer combo! I planted the same coreopsis this summer and have my fingers crossed they'll put on as nice a show some day, and yes, I let things flop all the time!

    Bookmark     August 26, 2014 at 9:46PM
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carolwoh(z6a)

I think you're right! Thanks for the help.

    Bookmark     August 24, 2014 at 7:35PM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

Does anyone have experience with overwintering 'Ogon'? I love the color and look but was told it wouldn't be hardy for me in zone 6.

    Bookmark     August 26, 2014 at 9:41PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Tilling is so much more work than smothering, and wrecks the soil layers/drainage.

Here is a link that might be useful: Brief tutorial about 'dirt'

    Bookmark     August 25, 2014 at 4:39PM
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myrmayde Zone 5b, western Montana(5b)

Hi, lilyfinch, I'm on my third year owning a Mantis electric tiller, and it works really well, although I agree that you may not need to till your dead sod. I used it to till in the previous year's cover crop before sowing lupine seeds with an Earthway seeder. I really needed to get a smooth surface without roots that could trip up the seeder. We used it to till fairly deeply one time to start a vegetable garden. We used it to aerate the lawn one time (should do it again). We've used it to edge between the beds and lawn, and between sidewalks and lawn. We've used it to dig holes for planting trees. It's been pretty reliable, powerful, and easy to use. But you might be able to do without it for your current project.

    Bookmark     August 26, 2014 at 12:34AM
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echolane(SFBayMidPen)

I have also had Hot Summer return vigorously for me a second year, and I like it very much, but while it's early season blooms were prolific, I didn't see many secondary flushes. The most prolific bloomer for me is Sombrero Hot Salsa.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2014 at 12:24AM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

I think I have to take back my positive comment about 'Milkshake'. It has survived a few winters and did bloom nicely earlier in the season, but now it's looking sickly. Now that I think about it, I believe it did the same thing last year - started out good then went downhill. I'll probably be taking it out. Too short of a good bloom season for me.

Kevin

    Bookmark     August 25, 2014 at 4:56PM
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TexasRanger10(7)

I should add that I have sandy soil with gravel on top so most seeds have excellent conditions for germinating here, its great for direct sowing but I do have to take care and deadhead each fall.

This post was edited by TexasRanger10 on Mon, Aug 25, 14 at 15:40

    Bookmark     August 25, 2014 at 3:37PM
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zzackey(8b GA)

They are natives here. We leave part of the back yard unmowed where they grow. It was heavenly last year to walk amongst a hundred of them.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2014 at 3:49PM
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dbarron(z7_Arkansas)

Woodstea, you really can't expect ANY above ground growth on A. canadense. It only has one flush of growth per year (in the spring).

By now, most of them are looking ragged in the wild too...their time/purpose is done. The leaves photosynthesized and can now be shed.

Give them another year and see what you think.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2014 at 12:15PM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

I suspect the sun might be a factor too. My wild ginger in fairly dense woodland shade looks good all summer. Mind you, I was very surprised that much of it was killed out by this past winter - as was much of my Sweet Woodruff - but both are slowly recovering, although I expect it'll take a couple of years before they reclaim all their previous territory! I just hope this coming winter is more moderate.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2014 at 2:47PM
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miclino(5)

I have VS, fantastic bloomer but does flop especially after heavy rains.

    Bookmark     August 18, 2014 at 10:59PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

And today I spied this group of "Limelight" on display outside a local nursery (the tallest member was over 6 feet in height).

    Bookmark     August 25, 2014 at 12:08PM
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