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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

Stella, first one looks like squash or pumpkin. Second one bok choy. Fourth one watermelon. Last one cucumber.

    Bookmark     July 12, 2014 at 3:58PM
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donna_in_sask(2b)

Stella, third one, spinach that has bolted (gone to seed).

    Bookmark     July 12, 2014 at 5:05PM
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show your rudbeckiasso many different ones
Posted by davids10 z7a nv. July 12, 2014
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pitimpinai(z6 Chicago)

Aren't they fun to look at? I love them. I let them seed themselves in my garden, so each year I will find them in different forms at different spots. They are so cheerful I don't care if some might think they clash with their neighbors:

    Bookmark     July 12, 2014 at 8:15AM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

I usually grow about 6 different kinds but never got around to sowing my seeds this winter. Luckily I have some reseeders. LOVE them! No photos though, sorry!

Dee

    Bookmark     July 12, 2014 at 1:49PM
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aseedisapromise(zone 5 SD)

What's the soil like in this bed? Is it heavier with some clay, or looser with some silt or sand? That could be a clue if it is rot or lack of nutrients. I have some plants that yellow in my loose fast draining soil if it rains a lot here. then I hit them with a dose of iron chelate and they green back up. If a plant is rotting at the roots then more fertilizer won't necessarily hurt, but the plant has no way to take it up so it could be all for naught. But it is the new growth that shows the yellowing. I would hold back on the water for this one if you can. Maybe it is closer to the head of the lawn sprinkler head and so gets more water than the others? Just an idea. My shastas are just starting.

    Bookmark     July 12, 2014 at 11:25AM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

And please, do NOT fertilize a potentially sick plant. It doesn't help and may make the situation worse. Fertilizer is not a magic cure. It really isn't.

Kevin

    Bookmark     July 12, 2014 at 1:13PM
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gardenweed_z6a

I plant perennials, shrubs, etc. for the express purpose of attracting and sustaining pollinators so don't concern myself with passing them while they're busy on the plants as I walk through the garden. They ignore or bump into me but I've yet to be stung. After observing them these past 8+ years, I know they just don't have time to concern themselves with anything other than the flowers. I finally stopped cutting the bloom scapes off my many hostas after seeing how busy they were on them.

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 7:08PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Thuja 'Rheingold' might be small enough to work there.

I'd also think about adding a smaller to midsized hard prune clematis near enough to the 'Bloomerang' lilac that can crawl up into it. If you time it right it might fill one of the spaces when the lilac isn't reblooming, or you could time it to bloom with the reblooming for a mixed bouquet effect.

    Bookmark     July 12, 2014 at 11:53AM
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dbarron(z7_Arkansas)

If they show no sign of blooming then they either already did before you got them (probably in the greenhouse) or were young plantlets this spring and will not mature till next year.
Their primary period of growth is before bloom.

    Bookmark     July 12, 2014 at 5:55AM
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Ruth_MI(z5MI)

I hope you'll post pictures when it blooms...would love to see them.

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 10:18PM
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dbarron(z7_Arkansas)

In a way it makes me shutter (abnormal growth), but on the flowering side, it's fantastic!

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 11:51PM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

Pam - I'm sure there must be some less expensive places down there - any avid gardeners in your neighbourhood who could tell you where they are? That's how I heard about Northland years ago. How much space do you have there? Niagara is an attractive area to consider moving to - but I worry about water quality given the relatively high use of agricultural chemicals on fruit trees and grape vines. Are you on a well? If so, did you test for water quality? I'd do that before buying any property there. I really like the little town of Jordan. If we ever considered Niagara as a place to live, that's probably where I'd start looking.

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 12:12PM
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pam_whitbyon(6 Niagara)

Woody, I drool whenever I go to Jordan. Jordan Station is where you can see the salmon jumping around. It's a gorgeous area. We're way down in Fort Erie just across from Buffalo. I had the water tested (for drinking) and it passed with flying colours..

Yes I'll certainly try and make the effort to look at the local greenhouses. I know they're also suppliers for a lot of S. Ont nurseries so it only makes sense. I should be doing nothing but drinking wine, eating peaches and growing vast amounts of flowers...

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 4:37PM
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linlily(z5/6PA)

I'd just put them right back in. I think we usually plant daffs in the fall because that is when they are available here to plant. If I was receive some in a trade, I'd plant them anytime as soon as I received them.

Linda

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 1:47PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

i would also just stick them right back in ...

every time i dug them up myself by mistake.. if i put them right back in ... they were there in spring ...

if i dried them out.. and put them in a potato sacks in the garage... i found them years later ... lol.. too many times ..

frankly... they are planted in fall.. because they are sold in fall ... you probably could NOT find one now to buy.. if your life depended on it ... of course.. they sell them in fall.. because that is a better planting time.. but its not that imperative... IMHO ...

if you consider it from the producer side... they wanted to dig them while there was still dried greenery on them.. so they would know where to dig ... and they just dried them.. and stored them for fall sale with tulips and all the other bulbs... and.. its much easier to transport dried bulbs ... in big volumes... i am sure we have all found a rotted onion in a sack ... perhaps that onion didnt dry properly ... for storage in a big warehouse ...

either way.. i dont think its that big a deal ...

ken

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 3:52PM
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vasue VA(7A Charlottesville)

Coral Reef acts the same as Cecily's Raspberry Wine here. Bees still visit the spent flowers after the petals fall, so usually don't deadhead, and doesn't seem to slow down blooming. Consider it optional & the spent heads are still decorative. Finches love the seeds & I love watching their swaying sideways antics, so no seedlings in the several years it's been here. Looks like yours is sending up new buds, Sparky. Remember the variety? Totally agree with LOTS of water even in this muggy climate, to sidestep mildew & stimulate growth & flowering.

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 8:37AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

get rid of the crabgrass .. MIs july harvest.. lol .. i am in adrian ...

i am hoping there is not landscape fabric under the mulch ... which might mean a watering issue

snip off flowers.. and see what happens ...

sometime new plants.. dont quite perform to standard... but there is always next year ... as it looks happy enough ....

straight down pic are tough ... how tall is it??? are the new green shoots significantly outgrowing the old part of the plant... that might indicate its finally getting ESTABLISHED ... as you know.. we had a very extended cold spring in MI .. i have plants that were 4 to 6 weeks late .... and perhaps.. on some level.. yours is also behind the normal curve ...

it otherwise looks happy.. just keep it properly watered in july/august ...

ken

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 9:00AM
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gardenweed_z6a

They're listed as annuals at the Missouri Botanical Garden website (see link). I've grown them from seed for several years; sometimes they show up again for a year or two but most times they don't. Mine were all grown from commercial seed via winter sowing.

Here is a link that might be useful: Lupine

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 2:36AM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

I always let some of the lupins set seed and let it drop to the ground. That ensures that there are always seedlings to replace any that die. Mind you, you never know what color the seedlings will be and they gradually revert to paler shades of blue and pink....

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david883(5/6)

I was going to say heliopsis, too. These are what some of my heliopsis seedlings look like. No sure on the exact variety.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2014 at 9:09PM
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lilsprout

Well imagine my surprise!!

I'm not a yellow lover and just recently put in a few yellows...for a pop of color here and there.

Evidently last year I thought I needed more lol. And from what I've read I will have LOTS more as I planted 4.

Thank you all and especially you David for the pic....I'm no longer in denial ;0)

    Bookmark     July 11, 2014 at 12:02AM
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sunnyborders(5b)

Common terms for Phlox paniculata include summer phlox, garden phlox and tall phlox.

One major recent and current trend in summer phlox breeding has been/is selection for shorter cultivars; namely, "tall phlox" have become, are becoming, shorter.

Personally, I don't see how summer phlox can be used to full effect in mixed perennial beds by just including the recent and current shorter "tall phlox".

For instance, the Flame series phlox are almost all in the height range of 12 to 18 inches. The The Jan Verschoor phlox (including members of the Cocktail series) I mentioned above are almost all 18 to 24 inches tall. The First Edition Collection (series), mentioned above, are all 18 to 22 inches tall.

To me, using numbers of only these shorter "tall phlox" sounds like bedding annuals. Garden phlox can make an enormous contribution to mixed perennial beds in summer. A mixed perennial bed, when it reaches summer, needs "tall phlox" of varying heights. In addition, many other perennials, in summer, have reached a height which restricts the use of shorter "tall phlox" to the front of mixed perennial beds.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2014 at 8:50PM
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Marie Tulin(6a Boston MA suburb)

You can read the Chicago Botanic Garden's results of its phlox field trials on line. Someone may have the link handy or try something like c...b...g...phlox trials
It won't have the latest releases but it addresses the all important issue of mildew resistence.
Personally, I don't see the charm of the new shorter phlox.
But I think I am peculiar; I am the only one I know of who doesn't like phlox David. I think it is a big clumpy white blob. All muscle, no charm.
"Bright Eyes" is an excellent phlox. No mildew, long lived, cheerful. Miss Lingard . Franz Shubert .
idabean/Marie

    Bookmark     July 10, 2014 at 11:05PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Lovely planting!

I quite enjoy the lavender plants I have. Attractive when in bloom and nice grayish foliage when not in bloom.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2014 at 7:45PM
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karin_mt(Zone 4)

I like it too.The bed has a great rhythm to it in the shape of the bed, the repetition of plants, and the nice mulch and accent rocks. It all works for me. And I think it's the classiest use of that scalloped concrete edging I've even seen! :)

    Bookmark     July 10, 2014 at 8:12PM
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lilsprout

Lol Cat!

Don't forget all the seedling too.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2014 at 4:27PM
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Campanula UK Z8

Mmm, I consider 'beautiful' to have utility and vigor. A plant, any plant, which is well grown and appropriate (as this is), always looks beautiful to me... right plant, right place is a gardening truism, yet it took me years to break a habit of growing totally random (unsuitable) plants

    Bookmark     July 10, 2014 at 4:33PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Forgot Rodgersias and Kirengeshoma.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2014 at 1:05PM
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felisar (z5)

Another good choice might be Alchemilla mollis (lady's mantle). Lovely foliage and frothy chartreuse flowers in late spring/early summer.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2014 at 3:36PM
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