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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

One thought - - When I had a lot of foliar damage and couldn't see a culprit, going out at night, I discovered earwigs were eating the foliage on a number of plants. Their favorite being basil and echinacea. I had columbine at the time but I don't remember them eating that. I also saw more asiatic beetles at night too.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 9:03AM
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donna_in_sask(2b)

If it's not leaf miners, it's columbine sawfly...usually the foliage looks horrible this time of year but we've had nothing but rain for the past few weeks so I think that's holding them at bay.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 7:46PM
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Campanula UK Z8

No seeds - will have to propagate from root cuttings. I had this - a bit measly, to be honest and the blue became a sort of washed out slatey colour - OK, I thought but it was not a strong plant and, only 2 years after getting 3, they are no longer with me.....whereas the little V.phoeniceums have remained, returning reliably, never misbehaving, year on year. Another highly strung, overbred diva, to my mind....but then again, my plants get a robust testing!

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 5:21PM
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aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada

I'd still like to try it, we took a trip down island this morning DH was looking for a gadget for his computer, needless to say we hit every garden center on the way home :). No Blue Lagoon, in fact no-one had heard of it but they all jotted the name down.
I didn't come home empty handed tho... as we toddled our way back home I picked up another Brugmansia to add to my collection, it's the old variety 'Sunset' but it already had flower buds on it and the price was right, at least that was my reasoning LOL. 4 more are heading my way, 'Dola' 'Angels Exotic', 'Full Rosea' all pinks and 'Snowbank', another with variegated leaves, they should be in the mail on wednesday.
Picked up another Tradescantia 'Mac's Blue' to replace the one I lost, a double hollyhock (purple), a Veronica 'Eveline' and a small plant of 'Aglaia' this one I had also lost a couple of years ago.
Talking about Tradescanthia's, not everyones cup of tea but I love them. When searching the web to see what other varieties are out there I've seen pictures of mine on other websites, one in particular my picture stating it's 'Mac's Double' it's not it's one called 'Rondeau Sapphire' which I purchased from Sterling Perennials quite a few years back. It has the habit of blooming double sometimes single.
I don't mind anyone using my pictures if it is of any use to them but it would be nice if they got the name right.

I haven't hit the garden centers locally yet to see if any of them have 'Blue Lagoon', no telling what will fall off the tables and into my basket while on the hunt :).

Annette

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 6:26PM
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docmom_gw Zone 5 MI(5)

It certainly sounds like your phobia is having a huge impact on your life. I would strongly urge you to see a therapist sooner than later. Especially given your habit of spraying pesticides to rid your surroundings of any possible flying insect. These creatures are actually critical to our survival and are in dangerous decline. So, mostly for your own good and comfort, but also for the rest of us, please find help. It would truly be such a relief for you, and you would benefit for the rest of your life.

Martha

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 9:22AM
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Campanula UK Z8

I was in a car with a friend when a bee (or wasp, I never actually saw it) flew in the window, up the leg of his (baggy) shorts and stung him in those tender man-parts....but guess who was shrieking and hyperventilating by the side of the road? And even when his knackers swelled to grapefruit size, I was still making far more fuss.

Still, it is quite true - help is possible (although I tell ya, the therapy lark was a dismal fail for me)......gardening though...... Out of the blue, my daughter (the same bee-stung one - she still loves me) cleared up our naked, muddy puppy ridden yard one day (we had many lurchers) and, in celebration we planted a lavatera. Obviously, as all gardeners know and I had yet to find out, lavatera grows like the clappers....but still, I thought I was a tremendous success (although was, at that point, less amused with the delighted bees)....and obviously had green fingers. Next plant - a japanese anemone - again, by sheer luck (I liked the name) I picked another winner....and an obsession was born. A totally overwhelming desitre to get to know plants (I enrolled for horticulture college quicksmart - 4 years!). Now seeing bees going about their business, on our plants (where they vastly prefer to hang out rather than on our arms and legs), over the last decade, has undeniably got a whole lot easier (although I am, of course, watching at a respectable distance and making sure I have a clear exit).........and as an avid fruit grower, I certainly have a vested interest in their continued health and survival - see what I mean about cancelling each other out....because whilst I fear these creatures, I also admire and depend on them so could not countenance spraying (although I have not the slightest compunction about spraying nettles out of all existence with some lethal broadleaf killer agent orange napalm death........)
So while I never expect to get up close and personal to a bee, the sheer number of times I encounter them really does diminish that visceral anxiety because a lot of the time, I am tortured by anticipation and imagination.....actually being near but feeling safe has been the best therapy I have ever done.....so first of all, get involved in the garden.....might be what you need to break the cycle (yeah, I know all that facing one's fear blah blah......but it works if the rewards (a really great hobby and being able to be outside in the garden) are enough to make the effort.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 6:09PM
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mori1(5b/6a)

Here I was totally pissed that a stupid squirrel dug up and killed the astrantia that took me almost two year to germinate from seed. But you guys have people coming into your yard and digging up your valuable plants. Can't even image.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 2:50PM
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ginny12

Thanks so much, rouge21, for that plant ID. I will have to look for 'Moulin rouge". What great info on this thread. Worth bookmarking.

But I am shocked to hear that people dig up other people's plants. I have never heard of that where I live and hope never to.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 3:48PM
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lilsprout

You can cut them back to prolong bloom if you like. I tried it one year but prefer not to as they bloom much fuller without it. I do deadhead and get a second bloom though.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 11:15AM
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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

They can also be cut back for a tiered effect. Deer come through and cut mine. I prefer to wait until after first bloom because find the blooms are smaller when pruned. For me bloom is about two weeks later when pruned.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 2:43PM
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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

Re actinium: one year deer pruned my actinium and they bloomed very late. Fortunately we had a late frost so got to see some bloom though the blossoms were small.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 2:38PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

No, not too late. Just cut some of mine down yesterday. I'm still pinching hibiscus, too.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 2:41PM
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marthastoo(6)

The tell-tale sign the damage was done by a rabbit: the cut is at a 45ð angle. Those destructive little %$#!s have not only decimated our phlox, they have completely eaten every single stalk and leaf of our delphinium (and continues to eat any new shoot that peeks up from the root), eaten most of our coreopsis, echinacea, heliopsis, yarrow, and variegated hosta. They have eaten all the petals off my wave petunias and chewed off the tender new bottom branches of all my rose bushes. I've sprayed that vile liquid fence all over and they think it's salad dressing. I am seriously beside myself. I hate those rabbits with a passion!!!!! >:\ Grrrrr!!!!!

This post was edited by marthastoo on Sat, Jun 21, 14 at 22:23

    Bookmark     June 21, 2014 at 10:20PM
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vasue VA(7A Charlottesville)

The traditional defense to dining preferences of rabbits is one of those folding wire "rabbit" fences with legs set into the dirt, or something similar like wire mesh. They come knee-high & slightly shorter and can be used to protect a general area or just a specific plant. Useful, too, to corral floppy plants inconspicuously. More decorative permanent edging & fencing with non-squirmable spacing does the trick, with buried mesh to prevent digging underneath.

Surrounded by woodlands here, with many rabbits & other wildlings, all with tummies to fill! Find encompassing the beds with plants they don't like deters them from exploring the interior. Lavender, monarda, salvia, heuchera, dusty miller & more work as edging. While waiting for plants to originally fill in, those rabbit fences come in handy! After that, I don't clear the foliage in the Fall even on those not evergreen - perhaps the oils in the leaves & stems continue to repel them or they've decided by then those beds are not interesting?

A few of the deer, a small minority of the several herds here, find perfumed phlox irresistible as they begin to bloom (ditto roses). Those are protected by lavender, agastache, others high in essential oils, thick floppy plants & those that obscure their footing. Deer here are very careful where they step while browsing & hesitant to risk where they can't see bare ground, reluctant to even jump into such unsafe territory. Even wire fences laid on the ground in plain sight on grass exclude them (but not the rabbits!), as do upright jumpable fences if the flower or veggie bed is long & narrow without a clearly visible landing place.

While redoing a 15x20' bed off the front walk last year, potting up some plants temporarily & leaving others, wound up with tempting open areas in the process. Set empty flower pots on bare soil to keep them from advancing into the bed, on the theory of unsure footing. Sure enough, it worked!

With all critters, seems a game of wits & strategy as much as one of claiming territory by fencing...

This post was edited by vasue on Sun, Jun 22, 14 at 13:48

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 1:27PM
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boday

As posted earlier, the Dianthus 'Heart Attack' reblooming. Point of interest - Astrantia 'Roma' has been blooming for two months and still going strong.

This post was edited by boday on Sun, Sep 8, 13 at 14:02

    Bookmark     September 8, 2013 at 1:53PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

update:

No problem making it through this past winter:

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 8:30AM
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southerngardening24(7b)

Karen: nice to hear that! I will definitely record its progress with pics.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 12:15AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I had an issue with an order for roses in the spring from Pickering Nurseries. One of the bare root roses was very undersized. So I took a photo of all of them before planting, so there was a comparison. I still planned on using the plant, but I wanted documentation. Sure enough, out of all the roses I received, that was the only one that didn't make it. I emailed them the other day with a photo of the rose when it arrived and a report on how it grew and that it had died and they quickly refunded my purchase price. So having a photo of how it looked on arrival is always a good thing, even if you plan on keeping it.

    Bookmark     June 22, 2014 at 1:00AM
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tepelus(6a SW MI)

These are my second year plants from seed. As you can see they need some bulking up, which will happen with time. A few are producing flowerbuds.

Karen

    Bookmark     June 21, 2014 at 12:25PM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

This afternoon we went to the garden center where I thought I had got the Spigelia a few years ago. They didn't have any - but they did have Bowman's Root! So I got one to try... Now the question is where to put it! I'd like it to be in the front garden were it'd be seen more often but there's not too many places there that would suit its needs. I think I might try it on the north or east side of the garage where there we moved some hostas this spring. I think it'd look good with those.

    Bookmark     June 21, 2014 at 5:34PM
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AddySmith

There is always next year for Easter flowers. Or perhaps in September for Mother Mary's birthday.

Here is a link that might be useful: flowers delivery

    Bookmark     June 21, 2014 at 2:34AM
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Campanula UK Z8

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    Bookmark     June 21, 2014 at 5:23AM
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suz9601

thanks for all of the replies. I took them out last night and the smell was nasty. I guess it was root rot. They were sitting in a ton of water. We got so much rain in a short amount of time and with my clay soil, guess it was too much. I will ammend the bed more and find a more tolerable plant.

    Bookmark     June 20, 2014 at 5:51PM
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aseedisapromise(zone 5 SD)

Something to think about for later when you get new plants to put in the heavy clay soil of your beds: if the plants are potted up in a light peat based medium you might want to remove it when you plant them into to your soil. If you don't, and you water the plants then your soil acts as a basin for the water around the root ball in the light soil and they tend to drown easily.

    Bookmark     June 20, 2014 at 9:29PM
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vasue VA(7A Charlottesville)

Maybe one of the "Flame series" phlox paniculata? These are dwarfs at 20" tall & come in a wide assortment of named colors with high mildew resistance & prolonged bloom beginning earlier than taller (3-5') phlox. Not usually a fan of minnied classics, find myself appreciating these for their retention of that sweet phlox fragrance, their versatility where their taller brethren would be too large & their kindred ability to lure the fliers - hummingbirds & hummingbird moths, butterflies, bees.

Tried a couple of the Early Start pink ones last year - Pink & Light Pink. Like them, but wanted something with a bit more height & heft. Added Flame Blue this year, a bicolor with blueish buds that open to white flowers marbled with the color of the buds. The individual florets are as large as tall phlox, though the flowerheads are shorter to match the proportion of stems, which are densely clothed with leaves. Lots of presence & flower power early to late. Would like to find Flame Coral and White next...

Yours looks a bit like Flame Lilac in the link below. Clicking "previous plant" & "next plant" will show a number of these Flames & other dwarfs. In the shorties, there's also the Early Start series, the Junior series, the Pixie series & more.

Here is a link that might be useful: Short phlox paniculata

This post was edited by vasue on Fri, Jun 20, 14 at 16:35

    Bookmark     June 20, 2014 at 4:06PM
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Glen4sure(7a)

Thanks everyone for your comments añd links.

    Bookmark     June 20, 2014 at 8:22PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

I ordered some shrubs from Bluestone lasts year. Yes, they were small, but a couple of months after I planted them I decided to move one of them. You should have seen that root system! It would have easily filled a gallon pot even though the plant hadn't appeared to grow that much.

As as been said many times, the first year in the ground, a shrub spends its time expanding its root system. There may not be much top growth, but that doesn't mean it isn't doing anything.

Kevin

    Bookmark     June 20, 2014 at 3:40PM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

Kevin, that's great to hear. I know a lot of people are unhappy with the changes made by Bluestone in that last couple of years, but I find their plants to still be exceptionally healthy.

    Bookmark     June 20, 2014 at 4:12PM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

I have it also. Third year its come back with very good increase after the first year. Gets some sun so leaves retain a little coppery color. It's been divided into three plants and put up with my moving it several times before getting the right spot. Nice and healthy plant. Like plants that stay healthy and return each year. Yah!

    Bookmark     June 20, 2014 at 3:43PM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

shadyplace, I'd probably put it near my Astilbe, so that's already getting supplemental water when it's hot and dry out, so no biggie.

Rogue, are you saying that yours doesn't turn red? Mine would go in dappled shade.

Patty, that sounds perfect!

    Bookmark     June 20, 2014 at 4:01PM
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