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rusty_blackhaw(6a)

Interesting idea.color>

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 5:42PM
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Ruth_MI(z5MI)

I had landscape fabric under my front landscaping for 28 years with no issues, and no weed problem. It had "rock bark " whatever that somewhat bark-colored light weight rock is over it. It was a good quality (very heavy) fabric. Shrubs grew fine.

I'd have it done again even though when I redid the front I had to rip parts of it out where I wanted to plant. (Wanted to plant rows of hostas, hydrangeas, etc. in front of the evergreen shrubs.) Ripping it out wasn't fun, but it was simple compared with 28 years of replacing mulch and weeding.

I'm not talking about the aesthetics of stone...simply that in some cases, a well-installed landscape fabric/stone combo works great for weed suppression.

    Bookmark     May 20, 2014 at 6:39AM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

They will probably bioom and fall over at about the same time. My mums require several cutting backs to keep under control. Al

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 7:59PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

mums bloom in summer...

we 'force' them to bloom in fall.. by continually heading them back ..

they also tend to stand up with that system.. rather than grow as single stems.. 4 foot tall and fall over ...

track down a stem.. and see that at every leaf node.. there is a bud.. teh bottom most being simply a bump ...

snip above any bud.. and that and the one below it.. will become active... its the same theory as deadheading ... except we do it before it flowers ...

all cutting.. can most likely be rooted.. rather easily.. if you need a couple hundred more ...

so you have one stem.. snip.. in 4 week you have two or 3 ... snip all.. and in 4 weeks or so ...you have 3 ... you have 9 .. 4 moire weeks.. 27 .. is my math holding up ...

if you can keep track.. and see how many weeks it takes to rebud.. say 6 weeks...

then you can target say 10/1 .... and count back 6 weeks... and add a week or two for them to slow down in cool fall ... so ... make you last pinch in waht... mid august???? ..

simple as pie... lol .. mmm ...pie....

ken

ps: an even simpler method ... but more math .. when it gets to 6 inches.. cut it back to 3... then when it grow 6 more.. to 9 inches.. cut it back to 6 ... etc ... thats how you make those big fuzzy balls of mum.. that dont collapse ..... for being too tall ... now.. where the pie ...

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 9:50PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

The sex life of hollies is complicated. Generally speaking, they are dioecious, meaning that the male and the female 'bits and pieces ' are on separate plants. However, there are several species that are (ready?) polygamodioecious so that a female tree may have some male flowers or some of the female flowers will contain male organs.

It is usually advisable to have an appropriate male pollenizer when growing hollies. Knowing the kind of holly you have can be a big clue. Any idea?

By the way, male hollies have flowers, too. They look very much like the female flowers other than having anthers instead of the pistil. For best bloom, a plant needs to be healthy.

Ginkgo does grow slowly, but that seems a bit too slow. How big was it when you bought it? Is it well mulched.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 6:21PM
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seagreen_turtle(Z5 MI)

I have a ginkgo I planted in 2005. It was about 4 ft or so. A crooked little thing. It's beautiful now, not sure how tall - 10-12'. Grew slowly but it balanced itself out by growing a twig down near the base. EVERYONE told me to cut it off. I'm so glad I didn't. That branch grew into a big branch that made it much more symmetrical. Love my ginkgo. I make sure no lawn chemicals. Make sure it gets slow waiter source for an hour if we have a dry spell. Fertilize with Treetone or iron in the fall if I remember.

Maybe you do have a dwarf. If healthy fertilize a little. What does everyone else think?

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 7:57PM
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shadeyplace(7)

SP, unbeleiveable! not even looking at a picture.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 8:21AM
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seagreen_turtle(Z5 MI)

Finally, here are some pictures. Long views near my garage don't do the viburnum justice though.

Here is a link that might be useful: UVO (Unidentified Viburnum Object)

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 7:50PM
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felisar (z5)

For me the champion for dry shade (grown under two river birches with extremely dense surface roots) is the geranium macrorrhizum followed by canadian wild ginger (asarum canadense). and epimedium grandiflorum All are unattractive to deer or rabbit. Unfortunately only the ginger is listed as hardy to zone3, the others appear to top out at zone 4.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 6:04PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

But Epimedium do better in dry shade than anything I know.

I did a bit of an experiment last summer. I planted 2 Geranium macrorrhizum and 2 epimediums in a most inhospitable location ie within inches of a water, nutrient sucking maple.

As of this spring the Geraniums are more than holding their own while the epimediums did not return (the open areas between the Geraniums).

This post was edited by rouge21 on Tue, May 20, 14 at 10:18

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 7:00PM
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paul_(z5 MI)

Some plants yes, others no. Plants grown up against the house seem to most require it. Not really surprising when you consider that they are only getting good sun from one direction and tend to lean a bit that way to begin with.

Lupine is a bit of a trial at my folks' place. They bloom beautifully, but the when their sprinkler goes on or a good rain comes along, the flower heads get so heavy with water and the flowers that they flop over ... sometimes snap completely.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 2:54PM
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donna_in_sask(2b)

For my gasplant, I cut off the pointy ends from a tomato cage, invert the cage over the gasplant (hopefully before it has leafed out) and then shape the metal pieces I cut off into "U's" to anchor the cage to the ground. Works like a charm and it stays in place indefinitely.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 6:48PM
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goldiemn(Z4 MN)

I had a beautiful patch of vinca grown over a number of years. Last year, it all disappeared after winter. Replanted in spring and this year, once again, it died. Any idea what kills vinca?

    Bookmark     May 17, 2014 at 5:10PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Too cold there?

I pulled it all up from my Mom's yard, I kill Vinca, but I haven't been to your house.

Growlove, that's how I always start a new bed! If you wait until the grass is definitely dead to pierce the smother, you'll have less grass in the planting holes, if that's why it's there. It's hard to wait, isn't it? Could just be from seeds dropped there already, previous years or earlier that year. Mowing with the chute facing away from beds helps too, as well as a border, like bricks, landscape timbers, something easy to trim against or drive mower tires along. If no new seeds are dropped and it can't creep in from lawn, grass won't reappear in beds, except the very occasional sprout. Pull as soon as you see it the first time, while easy to do.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 12:35PM
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JimDandyGreen

Anybody? Help for a newbie ;) ?

    Bookmark     May 15, 2014 at 10:58AM
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morz8(Washington Coast Z8b)

Jim, you have posted in the conversations part of the Perennial forum, space for things discussed that do not pertain to gardening. You aren't being ignored, just not seen.

The regular Perennials forum (reached by clicking on Return to Perennials above) or even Growing from Seed would have been better choices.

Helenium grows best in full sun. There are many types, grown as both annuals or perennials, but neither need stratifying (period of moist chill) before they will germinate. Seeds will do best surface sown or just barely covered, some light may be beneficial to germination. Keep seed bed moist. At temps averaging approx 70 F, Helenium seed germinates in 10-21 days.

This post was edited by morz8 on Mon, May 19, 14 at 12:36

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 12:34PM
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lazy_gardens

Ow, that hurts!

Splint up the broken flower stems with chopsticks or something and wait a couple of weeks. Then trim off the dead parts of the plant and let them keep as much live material as possible. They need the leaves top make food to store in the rhizomes

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 4:55AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

there is an iris forum .... lots of great experts there ... if you want to double check us... i usually dont hang there.. because of pix envy .. i want them all ....

but flora is spot on ... even damaged leaves.. photosynthesize.. to store energy in the rhiz, for next year ... so leave them be.. until the usual time to cut them back ...

ma nature damaged them enough.. no piling on ... lol ...

ken

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 7:23AM
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Thyme2dig NH Zone 5

Hpny2, what size do you let them get to before you finally transplant? My seedlings are so small right now. They have true leaves, but are just tiny. Do you usually wait until fall when they're a bit beefier? I've been debating on when to plant them out.

    Bookmark     May 18, 2014 at 2:22PM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

If you have slugs and snails they'll need protection. Delphiniums are Gastropods caviar.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 4:29AM
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Campanula UK Z8

Hardy geraniums, aquilegias, aconitum sp.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 1:58AM
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Linda

SweetKate,

I have that same planting in my front yard and you may want to re-think the sage by your front door. The sage attracts big bumblebees and although they are not at all aggressive, (I work in my garden right next to them), some people are terrified of bees.

Linda
Landscaper and Beekeeper

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 2:06AM
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cenepk10

I read to throw them away and start over when that happens. It will spread - & also to make sure the air flow is good around them... There are better phloxes for humid conditions

    Bookmark     May 18, 2014 at 11:46PM
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Campanula UK Z8

no, don't throw them away.....you can try a Chelsea Chop - cut them back by half, water and feed and inspect the new growth - which will be bushier and more able to support itself. It will be later in flower and the flowers will be a little bit smaller than usual....but this is a very good treatment for many late flowering perennials. One of the most notorious diseases of phlox is eelworm.....which this is not. With an eelworm infection, the leaves tend to curl and grow in very thin strips, looking almost like there is only a central vein and no green substance. This does look like a fungal disease so rather than using copper sulphate (an accepted organic spray for fungal disease), I would be inclined to try a systemic fungicide.

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 1:44AM
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what is this plzthank you in advance
Posted by MilaSan(5) May 7, 2014
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shadeyplace(7)

I have never known the name of this plant but it is the exact WEED I pull out in the spring....those basal leaves always look like they are going to be "something", but no.
I agree with Floraluk

    Bookmark     May 17, 2014 at 12:42PM
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cenepk10

It appears to be rather well fed. Mine are much smaller :)

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 12:08AM
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marthastoo(6)

I'm pretty sure davidrt28 is correct after googling it. I thought it might be rattlebox, but after looking at pics of yellow baptisia online, I'm 99% sure that's it. My plants are very thin because they were completely choked by phlox and weeds which had overtaken almost the entire bed. The thinness threw me, but I imagine now what they can look like if they actually get sun.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 9:31PM
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cenepk10

Yes baptisia. Ding ding ding !!!!! Love mine. A new favorite !

    Bookmark     May 19, 2014 at 12:05AM
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gardenweed_z6a

Check the stem. If it's square, it belongs somewhere in the mint family.

    Bookmark     May 16, 2014 at 4:53PM
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cenepk10

Salvia ?

    Bookmark     May 18, 2014 at 11:59PM
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