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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

I would do what I call a star pattern: 2 in the front row, 1 in the middle, and 2 in the back row. Put the white one in the middle row, and the second white one in either the first or third row. Space the plants about a foot apart.

Keep in mind in the first year you're probably not going to get that full, lush "mingling" look, but be patient - that will happen.

White tends to make most other colors look brighter. I have a mixed planting of "White Swan" and "Magnus" coneflower, and I really enjoy it. :0)

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 3:45PM
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terrene(5b MA)

I think white and pink coneflowers look pretty together. The mix of Powwow berry and white together would probably give you a more uniform look to the plants. You could try a zig-zag pattern, 3 whites in back and 2 pinks in between in front.

I have Powwow berry, but not white. I've got other whites - 'Primadonna', White Swan and Baby swan and assorted pinks, Prairie splendor, Powwow, Bravado, and a seedling I've selected, and they are sort of randomly mixed. Most were started from seed.

Here's white swan with some random E. purpurea taken a few years ago-

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 7:26PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

Posted by ishareflowers 6a. MA. (My Page) on Sun, Nov 3, 13 at 17:14

I love that cultivar!

    Bookmark     January 2, 2014 at 3:06PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

A somewhat similar one blooming now -

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 5:03PM
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sunnyborders(5b)

A.M., you're obviously wiser (and less compulsive!) than I am.

A lot of the latitude in the names used for lungworts must reflect uncertainty in parentage, or origin.

For example, Pulmonaria 'Raspberry Ice', according to the patent description, is a sport (from a spontaneous mutation) of P. 'Raspberry Splash'. This type of knowledge presumably requires rare rigourly controlled breeding. In turn, P. 'Raspberry Splash' (patent description) is a hybrid between P. longifolia 'Bertram Anderson' (= 'E.B. Anderson') and P. 'Leopard'. Reading elsewhere, P. 'Leopard' is a hybrid, it seems of P. saccharata.

Generally speaking, it appears that much of parentage of the named lungwort cultivars is vague and unknown. Al least, as has been said, most available lungwort cultivars are derived, in large part, from P. saccharata, P. officials and P. longifolia.

You say A.M., you purchased the plant as P. longifolia. It looks like it is, but sorry I can't add anything to that.

Interestingly, like you, despite the leaves, I thought of (early blooming) P. rubra and P. rubra 'Redstart', which I also have.

All of the P. rubra cultivars I've read of are selections of the species, not hybrids with other lungwort species, such as P. longifolia. I guess though that doesn't exclude the possibility of (minor) P. rubra parentage in the hybrid lungwort.

This post was edited by SunnyBorders on Fri, Apr 4, 14 at 0:48

    Bookmark     April 4, 2014 at 12:44AM
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aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada

Just a little followup, here's a picture of the foliage, I cut the spent flower stems off a couple of days ago. Is the name "Raspberry Sundae" out in the trade? If not that's the name I'm going to give my seedling. Annette

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 4:06PM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

Nice... how much sun/shade you giving it? I tried one years back and it struggled for a few years before disappearing.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 2:03PM
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shadeyplace(7)

Mine spreads in this place but I have tried it in other places and it also disappeared This is shade and sheltered.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 3:11PM
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gmom2-6boys

Shady, I sent you an email last night. If you have any Blue Delph. I will work out a trade. I love blue flowers and things don't start well here from seed.
gmom

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 9:02AM
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shadeyplace(7)

gmomtry Barry Glick on the web or tennesee wholesale.
remember, it goes pretty quickly, just spring in the garden.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 9:52AM
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plant 6Id plz and thank you
Posted by MilaSan(5) May 7, 2014
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Not Astrantia. I agree that what we are seeing appears to be the work of someone who had some idea about plants.

    Bookmark     May 9, 2014 at 11:49AM
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MilaSan(5)

Yes, and they had to move and I found it and now I'm learning about all these wonderful plants and hopefully I'll do good by them. Thank you all for your suggestions and help.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 6:31AM
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Campanula UK Z8

Mmmm yes, this is the next stage of my woodland plan - lots of little blue bulbs. I have always liked squills, especially a rather fluffy one called S.litardierei while my eldest son has an impressive collection of numerous muscari....and of course ipheon, chionodoxa et al. Along with omphalodes and the start of my tiny mertensia colonies, in my mind's eye, I see swathes of cerulean blue. Note to self - save seeds of Geranium sylvestris.

Ah trilliums. Years ago, these were some of the first things I sowed from seed. Yep, it took years. If only they had lasted as long in my garden. Somewhere along the line, the fact that they require acidic peaty soil failed to penetrate my dimwitted brain.....so my few wake robins dwindled and vanished after less than 3 years (unsurprisingly, in my sandy alkaline soil).

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 4:07AM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

I don't think we should compare Trilliums and Bluebells. Both are gorgeous. We all want what we can't have. As Campanula said acid soil is at a premium over here and only found in certain places.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 4:23AM
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shadeyplace(7)

Absolutely. I have found tulips, daffs, many things that reseed>>wood poppies, corydalis, woodland phlox, and geranium phaeum (which reseeds everywhere)! Not uncommon, and makes for a very pretty compost bin.

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 7:02AM
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aseedisapromise(zone 5 SD)

I have rose orach, catnip, lettuce, hyssop, salvia hormium, and about a zillion maple trees. I have plenty of "horrible bits"!

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 12:35AM
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sunnyborders(5b)

"Classic phlox hater".

Speaking as a (traditional?) garden phlox lover, TR, I'd say you really have personality!

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 11:21AM
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TexasRanger10(7)

Guess I got carried away with my feelings. The P. paniculata 'Feelings Series' just brought out the emotional side. I saw Phlox 'Natural Feelings' & warmed up to that one, it doesn't look like a Phlox at all but some people (on another forum I won't mention) didn't warm up to it at all, so there you go. Its all in eye of the beholder. Red Feelings didn't do as much for me but suddenly I find I am overwhelmed with feelings.

SB, you didn't report your feelings about the plant & since you do like Phlox, it would be interesting to hear. Campanula seems to have gotten carried away with impulsive feelings on this one or at least monetary ones + it seems she has some composition in mind. I rather like it because its different but then, as I said upfront, I'm not a phlox person so my opinion is nearly worthless on the subject & needs to be taken with a grain of salt. I would never comment on the more typical kinds, they aren't my cup of tea so I know next to zero about them.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2014 at 12:06AM
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sunnyborders(5b)

Interesting, Jenny.

Almost all of my gardening is also maintaining mixed perennial beds.

Had never heard of quack grass, though handling the problem sounds a bit like my past experience with ribbon grass. I would never have planted the latter myself.

I also plant and maintain perennials close together, which certainly gets to shading out seeding weeds. Runners like bindweed present another problem.

I don't use any chemicals, just digging, if necessary. I'd feel that periodically disturbing the ground (let alone plant division) may be generally beneficial to many perennials.

As they say, avoidance of problem plants, horticultural or weed (If at all possible), makes perennial garden maintenance so much easier.

I'll be on the watch for quack grass.

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 6:13PM
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jaybea20

I bought a pair at Lowes and I LOVE them! Best purchase ever. Has changed my gardening world. lol They were the last pair, the others seemed like they wouldn't hold up as well.

Here they are:
http://www.lowes.com/pd_264011-1492-1BC-350_0__?productId=1075967&Ntt=knee+pads&pl=1ätURL=%3FNtt%3Dknee%2Bpads&facetInfo=
Others must have noticed the value, because I had gotten the last pair. I plan on buying a backup pair if they get them back in stock.

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 11:32PM
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shadeyplace(7)

Yes, the woodruff will take over the perennial bed. small hostas, campanula porscharkiana (sp), corydalis, astilbe, heucheras, calamintha, stachys humelo, carex, hellebores, hakon grass.

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 7:49AM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

The sweet woodruff will not bloom all season, and as it is a groundcover, will spread. I think it is a beautiful plant - love the foliage as much as the blooms - but I would not use it as a bed plant (I have it in my woodland area as a groundcover.)

I'm having a hard time thinking of perennials that will bloom as long as you'd like, and agree with laceyveil regarding foliage and texture, etc. One plant I have along the edge of some beds is geranium biokovo. The foliage is quite nice, IMO, and turns a nice bronzy color in fall as as well. In some of my beds it can get a bit ratty in high summer, but I neglect my gardens an awful lot.

Ah, I just read back through your original post and see that you already have geraniums. Sorry! Although I still think this is a good one! :)

For full sun, some of the creeping sedums may work. I absolutely love creeping sedums, especially the ones that turn reddish in fall and are fairly evergreen. However, depending on the bed the soil may be too rich. Perhaps give one a try and see? Just do your homework - some of them are fairly aggressive (while my kamschaticum is not spreading nearly enough for my purposes!)

Dee

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 11:56AM
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ninamarie(4Ont.)

LINARIA triornithophora - Three birds flying
St. Mary's Thistle - Silybum marianum.
I and most children under 10 start sniggering at the latin name of the latter.

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 10:27AM
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Carolinaflowerlover NC Zone 7b

How about a combo of Latin and common names? I sent my husband a list of what I bought at the sale at the local agricultural center. Streptocarpus Blue Birds was on the list.....he asked if I bought strep throat for blue birds. Poor plant....that is what I call it now. :)

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 10:37AM
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jadeite(6/7)

Check the Vermicomposting forum (link below). The worms don't go into the garden, they won't survive, and you won't be able to make more worm compost. You have to harvest the compost, then you can make worm tea - lots of recipes and suggestions on the Vermicomposting forum. You pour this on your plants and stand back. I use a homemade screen to separate the worms from compost, but there are different ways to do it.

Cheryl

Here is a link that might be useful: vermicomposting forum

    Bookmark     May 10, 2014 at 8:18PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

see link ... flip to WEB side for words ....

4th link ....John WâÂÂs Rotating Screen Harvester is quite a gizmo....

good luck

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 8:44AM
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What are these spring blooming little yellow flowers?Here
Posted by jujujojo_gw(6b 7a) May 10, 2014
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shadeyplace(7)

Anyone know which one exactly?

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 7:41AM
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TulsaRose (Rosie)(7a)

Location?

    Bookmark     May 11, 2014 at 8:29AM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

FWIW, Mine are planted at the base of oak trees. They grow and multiply, but slowly. I'm not sure I would call them "flourishing", but having never planted them elsewhere, or, for that matter, having never even seen them in anyone else's garden, I don't know how to compare mine to others planted in different situations.

Just this year I noticed about half a dozen new plants, a bit farther away from the originals, and they too have seeded - and are growing - under other oak trees. I do believe oaks are easier to plant under than other trees, so I don't know if that should be taken into account.

Dee

    Bookmark     May 10, 2014 at 10:27AM
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terrene(5b MA)

Mine are planted under a Linden tree (Tilia americana) which do not have particularly aggressive roots. They are on a slope so it is fairly dry (I have well-drained sandy loam). There are other woodland plants in the area. They seem to be doing okay.

Here's a couple pics I took today. These are fairly mature plants started from seed, 2nd or maybe 3rd year blooming, which means they are probably 5 years old -

Here's a couple 2nd year youngsters -

    Bookmark     May 10, 2014 at 7:43PM
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