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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

gb - it was chilly and damp here yesterday but no snow.

'dee - yes, that's the sage on the right side in that picture. The sage is just the ordinary Salvia officinalis that you can pick up dirt-cheap just about anywhere that sells plants. They're very hardy and turn into lovely garden plants. The flowers get ratty-looking as they start to fade so need deadheading: just grab a handful of stems and whack them off at the base - no delicate treatment required!

thyme - yeah, it's been not a stellar fall here for color either. Too warm (especially at night) and too wet after a tough summer. The rain was much needed; after several years of dry falls and almost snowless winters we're finally heading into colder weather with some decent moisture in the ground. Snowless winters are nice in that I don't get stuck in the house so much - but they are very hard on the garden so I'm hoping the damp fall this year may be a sign of a snowier winter to come too....

The dry winters (and summer dry spells) have taken a huge toll on that beautiful Vyvyan Pennell clematis unfortunately. After the wisterias it is/was probably the showiest/most memorable bloomer in the garden here. A The President clematis was also a big star a few feet behind where Vyvyan is. Both are barely hanging on for the last two years! They are in the rain shadow of the roof hangover of the front porch so need supplemental moisture. A snowy winter adds a nice amount of mosture to the soil to start things off - but the soil has been bone dry after the last couple of winters! DH retired a couple of years ago and took over responsibility for watering the stuff on or near the driveway. I think he concentrates on the pots and forgets about the plants in the porch bed and/or does not water them enough. I intend to take over watering the porch bed next year to see if I can revive them before the clematises expire completely!

A history of a beautiful clematis:

Vyvyan near her prime in 2006:

After a hard winter she stopped climbing but still flowered well - 2008:

Tidied up the old stems in early spring 2010 in hopes of reviving her enough to start climbing again - I called this 'the goose' phase:

By June/July it looked like the rejuvenation had worked - she had climbed to the top of the lattice and was producing the summer flush of single flowers:

And then disaster struck! There was an explosion in the snail population. Even though I dusted almost daily with diatomaceous earth, the cursed snails took out all those lovely new stems! :-( And then she's has to cope with a succession of dry winters and long stretches of summer dry spells...

Vyv is still hanging on, producing a few flowers in June but it's so pathetic in comparison to previous years that I haven't taken any pictures since 2010! I hope improved watering in 2014 might help - as long as the snail don't respond with a growth spurt too. We miss the beautiful Vyv, so it's worth another attempt to revive her.

    Bookmark     November 12, 2013 at 11:47AM
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aseedisapromise(zone 5 SD)

When I first saw the title of this tread I thought it was going to have a sad beat up garden in it. Having everything flattened here by storm Atlas I guess I expect the worst. So what a nice surprise to see the pretty flowers, and read a nice story about clematis history.

My experience of growing culinary sage is it is very easy, and always comes back, but gets kind of rasty and large over time. They are easy from seed, so they are easy to replace. I have grown them in clay and in silty loam, and they like the silty loam more, but so do most things.

I like to see what you have, woody since it is nice to see the possibilities in places where it rains more. I guess the snails are the downside to that. I have a few, but not enough to destroy anything. Thanks for the pretty pictures.

    Bookmark     November 12, 2013 at 11:29PM
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arisonn(6)

christinmk, I'm wondering if you'd be willing to comment more on your favorite geums and the 15 you've tried. I'm trying to pick a few to trial next year. Some I'm considering: Alabama Slammer, Fireball, Mango Lassi, Mai Tai and Tequila Sunrise. I'd love to hear about your experience with these or any others.

    Bookmark     November 11, 2013 at 10:22AM
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christinmk z5b eastern WA

-arisonn, sure thing! I'll start a new post on my Geum findings so not to hijack this one. Look for it soon ((as soon as I get a second cup of coffee in me so I can write a halfway intelligent sentence, LOL!!)).
CMK

    Bookmark     November 11, 2013 at 1:22PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

"how did you get that string of xmas lights on your thread??"

Photobucket......The same way you post pics.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 10:02PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Sounds like a good reason to me to stay out of stores for the next few weeks. Hope that ends up being possible, except checking the Thanksgiving cactus situation of course. I can't shop under such adverse conditions, and will buy no seasonal crud until it's a proper time to do so.

    Bookmark     November 8, 2013 at 3:41PM
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daisyincrete Z10? 905feet/275 metres

How is it that MANKIND can make beautiful flowers look so ugly?
Daisy

    Bookmark     November 6, 2013 at 2:21AM
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mjc_molie(z6 CT)

Jujujojo--- I don't understand a word of Chinese but really enjoyed the video of those two excited and vibrant young people exploring a new culture. (I'm guessing that's a travel show/video?) Loved Jason's expressions as he ate --- especially the lobster--- and his eyes rolled back in his head!

Molie

    Bookmark     November 6, 2013 at 6:00PM
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trovesoftrilliums(5)

I was reluctant to order too for next year. Seems so far away!

BUT, I know I want to try a few Havana Blues Geranium, one I have never seen in a local nursery. Here even Rozanne tends to be $12-$17 although in a gallon. Also, I purchased a carex from SRG this summer which has done quite well so I am adding a couple more next year in a recently expanded area. Now I just have a few *known elements* to factor into my winter planning. :) I am trying to use sales like this to get away from the one-plant-itis I tend towards.

Plants from SRG I purchased and planted in July have all performed well.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 6:11PM
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ryseryse_2004

When you have under $30 per month for discretionary spending and have to save that each month so you can splurge --- this 50% sale is great no matter what time of the year it is!!!!

Not complaining mind you. Very glad I have any $$ at all at the end of each month! For people in my shoes, sales like this as well as the Seed Exchange and Winter Sowing forums are just the ticket.

BTW, I am blessed with many acres to fill with these treasures.

    Bookmark     November 6, 2013 at 9:51AM
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ontnative(5b Can/USDA 4)

My 'Ozawa' are still in full bloom now (Oct.30) which I think is pretty terrific in my zone. Chrysanthemum Hillside/Sheffield, a single apricot pink, is still looking great as well. Physostegia 'Vivid' is just past its best, but continues to exhibit lots of bright purple-pink colour.

    Bookmark     October 30, 2013 at 8:02PM
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Carolinaflowerlover NC Zone 7b

Thx, everyone. I always seem to have cuts or something, so I need to admire from a distance. I love the color, though!

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 9:36PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

I've heard of dusting tubers like Black and Blue salvia or Dahlia with sulphur prestorage to reduce formation of molds and rot.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 6:10PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

As you already mentioned - you probably bought it for some fungal problem. Sulfur is one of the oldest treatments for all sorts of fungal issues - powdery mildew, black spot etc.

I've used it for treating nicks and cuts in various tubers and bulbs just to prevent any fungal issues from arising.

Kevin

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 7:09PM
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sukie(6)

Thank you Weed! The sun flowers are the bushy, tall kind, I am not sure of there real name, but they will get cut too.

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 7:05AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

sukie...

you need to start your own post...

and list the plants you are talking about ...

if you want some precise answers ...

in my experience.. flopping plants is due to over fertilization ... and i would discuss that in your new post ...

ken

ps: june or july is WAY TOO LATE .... it would be now or april ... before new spring growth starts ....

    Bookmark     November 5, 2013 at 8:19AM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

mxk3 - I really like Daphne x transatlantica 'Summer Ice.'

It's perhaps 6 years old, spent its first winter in the small nursery pot it arrived in because its spot-to-be had some construction going on nearby, has survived munching by voles at least one other winter, and even so is a beautiful though quiet presence here every year for the whole growing season, though a bit homely by the end of winter. With the exception of the witch hazels, it is the first shrub to bloom in my garden and is also the last and blooms the entire time in between, though never profusely. Between the narrowly variegated leaves and the constant bloom it is quite lovely, though not a shrub that announces its presence from a distance like Carol M. Mine (bought online from Avant Gardens in MA) is planted in a mostly shaded bed that has perhaps 3 hours of sun near midday and is composed of well composed manure over fine sand and mulched with wood shavings.

In my experience this is an easy plant that is well worth growing.

Here is a link that might be useful: Daphne x transatlantica 'Summer Ice'

    Bookmark     November 4, 2013 at 6:48PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Oh no, it was definitely the daphne I admired - I didn't know what it was so I asked about it and you told me so (whether you told me the cultivar I don't remember, just that it was a daphne).

I looked at Arrowhead's catalog - couple variegated ones there. I'll take a trip out there next spring.

    Bookmark     November 4, 2013 at 8:59PM
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aseedisapromise(zone 5 SD)

I bought in spring 2012 a Caryopteris Little Miss Sunshine, and it did winter over just fine and really looked nice this year until Storm Atlas flattened it out. Very nice color for fall. It starts out very yellow in the spring, but gets a bit greener as the year wears on. The blue flowers are very nice.

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 7:17PM
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redwolfdoc_z5(5)

That Little Miss Sunshine is beautiful! May be the very thing to sit next to my Sand Cherry come next spring... :)

    Bookmark     November 4, 2013 at 2:53PM
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gardenweed_z6a

The only variegated lavender cultivar that popped up on Google was 'Goldberg.' The link below gives some details but doesn't identify a hardiness zone.

I didn't have much success growing lavender in my garden even though I grew several cultivars from seed via winter sowing. A few plants came back the first couple of years but eventually they all disappeared. I'm more of a 'plant it & forget it' type of gardener--if it doesn't thrive on neglect, it doesn't belong in my garden.

Good luck identifying & growing your mystery lavender!

Here is a link that might be useful: Variegated lavender 'Goldberg'

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 7:00PM
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garcanad(5)

I have a Lavandula x intermedia 'Goldburg' a couple of years ago. It didn't survive the first winter. My experience so far is all Lavandula x intermedia are not hardy to my area. However, this one is so ornamental that I will try it again and again if I can find it again.
I have a Lavandula angustifolia 'Silver Edge' that is hardy to my area but not nearly as showy as 'Goldburg'.

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 7:02PM
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steelskies(5)

Well I'm the opposite. I can't get rid of anything or throw any plant out, ( well maybe mint plant? anyone want some mind plant?????) I have so many iris that need dividing, and I just can't throw any out, even the babies. Major problem...........running out of room everywhere to plant stuff. Wish I could be so brutal as you. Can't even throw out the seedpods from the perennials I cut down! I think I have a real problem...................

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 4:36PM
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ryseryse_2004

Well, we are going to put in a 3' wide flagstone paver path down through a perennial garden in the spring so LOTS of stuff will have to be shoveled. I look forward to it and the new look that will be given to the garden.

Next will be a flagstone path down the hill right through the middle of another huge overgrown garden. Well, we are the top of the food chain, after all. (or are we?)

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 4:49PM
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echinaceamaniac(7)

Check out the new Zinnias at Swallowtail Garden Seeds. I ordered some of the Zahara and Aztec Sunset Zinnias. I saw them locally and had to have them. They may be annuals, but they are worth it.

    Bookmark     October 26, 2013 at 5:47PM
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steelskies(5)

Profusion! Love them! they grow into huge (but short) clumps and bloom nonstop all summer. And brillant color! One of the best annuals EVER!

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 4:26PM
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Mae Taylor

I have Tiarella rosalie cordifolia planted by my pond. Well thats what the labels say but the blooms are white on it. Anyway I also have Arum Italicum bulbs planted underneath and the arum is beautiful in the spring but after the leaves die back I don't have bare soil, the Tiarella starts blooming.
Actually most people think that the Tiarella and the orange seed heads from the Arum are the same plant.

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 12:22PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Mine are in very shady conditions and they seem to be doing fine, and I have dry conditions a lot over the summer, due to lots of tree roots. They come back every spring and one patch has reseeded for me.

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 3:19PM
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ryseryse_2004

Thanks so much --- will put it on my spring calendar to pinch until July 1st. I have about 30 of the plants so I never noticed whether or not they were full. They form a tall hedge around the patio. The beetles especially like the white blooms. Even years when the bugs weren't so bad, I never got to enjoy my white ones.

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 12:16PM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

I am lucky not to have much of a problem with JBs - I got rid of my Blanc Double de Coubert white rose because they really were drawn to that! (I read somewhere that they have a preference for white flowers and it seemed to be true). Robins in spring love to eat the grubs (as do skunks!). When we were digging out dead grass the spring we got rid of the rose, the robins lined up on the electrical wires and the top of the abour waiting for us to put out the grubs for them to eat! It got so that whenever they saw us appear they'd head for 'the feeding station' and yammer at us to hurry :-)

Different hibiscus varieties have different flower times so you might want to try different varieties. Here, Disco Belle and Lord Baltimore are the earliest - late June/early July. My dark pink 'the child' Disco Belle seedling started blooming much later (end of July) and continued to the end of October. Fireball' doesn't start until August. I don't pinch any of them but pinching should help you. But be on the look-out for later blooming varieties too.

    Bookmark     November 3, 2013 at 12:29PM
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