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mulchmama

I've never grown Stoke's aster. thanks for the rec, gardenweed, I'll give them a try. I do have Love-in-a-Mist (nigellas) and they freely reseed. Next year's crop is already up and carpeting some ornamental beds. I need to go out and thin them.

    Bookmark     October 9, 2013 at 10:23AM
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donna_in_sask(2b)

Bachelor's Button seeds are so cheap, and once you plant them, they will reseed copiously. I would be hesitant if it's the perennial cornflower...not a lot of flowering for so much foliage and very tough to get rid of once it's entrenched in your garden.

    Bookmark     October 14, 2013 at 2:06AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Very nice large, bushy Mum, Woody. I've cut mine back the same way and it works out for me too. They just bloom a couple of weeks later than I would like. Some of mine are just opening now. I may try to cut them back for the last time next year in mid June.

    Bookmark     October 13, 2013 at 5:36AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Good picture Kevin.

Unusual flowers. It is now on my "to buy list of 2014".

(I see there are a few varieties Uvularia besides grandiflora i.e. "sessilifolia", and "sessilifolia" Cobbleswood Gold)

    Bookmark     October 11, 2013 at 12:22PM
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terrene(5b MA)

Uvularia sessilifolia grows wild in the woods around here, and a seed or two came along as a hitchhiker with a swap plant some years back and is now popping up in a woodland garden in the back yard. Pretty little thing.

U. grandiflora is a plant I covet and want to have it some day!

    Bookmark     October 11, 2013 at 8:51PM
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docmom_gw Zone 5 MI(5)

Even in my zone 5, I usually get most of my snaps to over winter. The plants that return bloom much earlier than the new seedlings. I agree with the others that you can trim them back and move them where ever.

Martha

    Bookmark     October 10, 2013 at 8:14AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

go figure...

learn something new everyday ....

just dont like peaking out this early in the morning.. lol ...

when moving something like this.. the bigger clump of soil you take.. the higher the odds that plant never knows ...

ken

    Bookmark     October 10, 2013 at 8:43AM
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IanW Zone 5 Ont. Can.

It's nature.......live with it......don't fight it......

    Bookmark     October 10, 2013 at 12:05AM
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florauk(8/9)

Some of those 'flies' may be hover flies. Many species are voracious predators of pests in their season. Not everything which looks like a fly is the sort which spreads diseases and frequents unpleasant substances.

Here is a link that might be useful: Hover flies

    Bookmark     October 10, 2013 at 3:55AM
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terrene(5b MA)

I have used unscented castor oil for 2 years now, both CVS and HomeHealth brands, and it works great. I have sometimes added urine and sometimes not, and it still worked great. Can't speak for any other formulas but I am interested in trying adding a little dish soap (although this is soil based formula, so not sure what it accomplishes).

Ryse, I didn't have vole problems for the first 5 years gardening here either, nor at the previous house for 15 years. Couldn't understand what people were talking about - huh voles?? At the time, I had another cat that was a great little hunter. Then she died, and we got clobbered with a horrible winter in 2011 with persistent, deep snow cover in the area of 2-3 feet.

In the Spring I discovered vole carnage in my front yard gardens! Baptisia, Echinacea, Sedum, Hosta, Asters, Liatris, helianthus, bulbs, etc. Many of my favorite native perennials were either wiped out or left with skeletal root systems. Some are recovering.

Some pics to ponder. Vole eaten Hosta -

The meager root system and skimpy shoots leftover from 2 formerly huge Baptisia 'Twilight Prairie Blues' -

    Bookmark     October 9, 2013 at 2:08PM
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ginnier

Oh yeh, got 'em here too. I have two planter boxes made out of railroad ties on either side of my driveway. Both had pretty purple irises in the center...they'd gotten to be a mass about 20-24 inches in diameter so I knew I was going to have to dig/split. In Mar. I noticed that the one mass was sort of falling into the dirt...imploding??? The dirt was sorta building up around it and the whole mass disappeared except for about 6 strands of leaves. Amazing. The voles also got my big white weigela right next to the planter box, ate all the roots, so I now have this big bare leafless bush with 3 live branches on it. This spring I planted annuals in the planter boxes, and some of them did well, some not so good. I'm waiting for them to eat the oak tree nearby....... I do need some kitty cats here, but the coyotes are death on cats here in farm country.

    Bookmark     October 9, 2013 at 2:52PM
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christinmk z5b eastern WA

Ooops. My fault... here it is again
CMK

Here is a link that might be useful: cyclamen

    Bookmark     October 8, 2013 at 7:00PM
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christinmk z5b eastern WA

An interesting thing I learned just today...the silver mottling/variegation on cyclamen is called Reflective or Blister variegation because of a layer of air beneath the epidermis/surface of the leaf that causes a reflection that gives the illusion of silver coloration. Kinda' cool....
CMK

    Bookmark     October 9, 2013 at 1:50PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

I don't think that you have enough sun for Penstemon. How about a gold hosta or variegated Solomon's seal or Japanese forest grass? Checkmate Rhododendron is about 2 1/2' in my garden and is essentially a very short form of PJM.

    Bookmark     October 8, 2013 at 12:08PM
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Campanula UK Z8

astelia, bupleurum longifolia (esp.Bronze beauty), polemoniums (esp.Lambrooke Mauve a sterile, therefore long-flowering shade lover), chaerophyllum roseum, various campanulas, acteae misty blue, epimediums, omphalodes, saxifrage urbium or S.umbrosa, gillenia, herbaceous clems. esp. the small integrifolias such as Pangbourne Pink, meconopsis cambrica

    Bookmark     October 9, 2013 at 12:26PM
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Anisotome latifoliaAre there any large cultivars for the garden?
Posted by jujujojo_gw(6b 7a) May 13, 2013
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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23 USDA 9)

I had to look that one up. Interesting-looking plant! Unfortunately, they would hate growing in my warm climate. And I have no useful information to give you about them, jujujojo. Hopefully someone more familiar with them can help out.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 3:59AM
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Campanula UK Z8

yes, the are known as megaherbs and are members of the apiaceae family (my favourites) and are available from rarepalm seeds and also can be bought off ebay from a lovely chap called Bob Todd - Choice Plant Seeds, will ship to US.

Aka as Campbell Island carrot

    Bookmark     October 9, 2013 at 12:15PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

i swear i spent 20 minutes typing you an answer.. where is it???

did you post this elsewhere??

that or someone is very confused at the answer i gave them.. lol ...

ken

    Bookmark     October 7, 2013 at 10:56AM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

Definately try digging the roots too! It's fun to find the potatoes and see how many you get ! I've never had luck with the cuttings over winter, they seem to just hate the cool windowsills around here and end up dying a slow death. Even the roots seem to like warmer drier storage conditions than other root type things, definately a hot weather plant.

    Bookmark     October 8, 2013 at 12:16PM
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ryseryse_2004

In Z5, I chop off about 3" of my Autumn Joy Sedum and then poke those little choppings into the ground anywhere I want a 'hedge' or mowing barrier. I poke the little 'choppings' into the ground three at a time. Sometimes I water them in -- other times I don't. The next year I have my little Autumn Joy Sedum hedge. BTW - I am working with acres so I can never have enough little hedges.

So simple and care free. I have tried other sedums that have a better look early in the season (the variagated one) or color in the fall, but for increasing and making that cute 'hedge', Autumn Joy' is the best!

    Bookmark     October 6, 2013 at 6:02PM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

It may be all that compost and fertilizer that is making them flop. Sedums usually prefer a leaner soil, I believe.

I would still cut them back, but I wonder if you might want to stop fertilizing as much...?

Dee

    Bookmark     October 6, 2013 at 8:11PM
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ryseryse_2004

Wow - nice pictures and you have to feel satisfied at having lots of stuff done. BUT --- I sure would love to have your 'clean-up' for my compost bin.

I have a hoop house made of pvc with rebar going through that used to be a chicken house. We covered it with wire mesh and it is now my compost bin. Varmints keep eating through the wire mesh but I really don't care any more --- they have to eat too. It feels good to have a place to put all of our food waste. Right now is canning time for me so I have lots of tomato/fruit peelings, etc.

    Bookmark     October 6, 2013 at 5:35PM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

That stuff didn't go to compost because I don't trust the seeds of either of them not to survive composting! I don't want to spread their seeds around when spreading compost.... :-)

    Bookmark     October 6, 2013 at 6:10PM
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mulchmama

Funny, I was thinking of your question the other day when I was cutting back all my FLOPPED pitcher sages! Either I forgot to cut them all back, or they just grew like weeds after I cut them. One thing is certain, they don't branch out from the cut stems. I have a couple that just stayed shorter and bloomed, but none responded the way mums, asters or sedums would.

To answer your question. I began cutting them back when they were about a foot tall and then one more time before mid-July. We're warmer here than you are, so I don't know how that would affect timing. Since they bloom in August here, I give them at least a month to set their buds.

    Bookmark     October 5, 2013 at 3:01PM
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christinmk z5b eastern WA

Ahhh! Thanks so much MulchMama. Interesting that they don't side-branch. I was thinking they would act like mums when you pinch them back. Guess I will do a bit of experimenting next year with them and see what works best. Thanks much..
CMK

    Bookmark     October 6, 2013 at 12:14AM
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docmom_gw Zone 5 MI(5)

Carolinaflowerlover,
Now is a perfect time to toss down seed if you are direct sowing into the ground. Autumn rains, snow, and spring freeze/thaw cycles will work the seed into the ground and break down the seed coat and germination will happen according to Mother Nature's calendar. Direct sowing is by far the easiest way to grow new plants, but many seeds are lost to animals feeding or are washed away in heavy rains, or do not have the ideal moisture levels when they are very small. Wintersowing is an excellent method which takes advantage of Mother Nature, but protects the seeds.

Martha

    Bookmark     October 5, 2013 at 5:53PM
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Carolinaflowerlover NC Zone 7b

Thank you, both! I did sow some outside in containers now. I will wintersow some, too. I appreciate the advice. :)

    Bookmark     October 5, 2013 at 6:44PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

People can argue until the cows come home. The new hostas have a hard time surviving the best care.

If you run truck over one of Grandma's old hostas you cannot kill it. Make no mistake you can kill a hosta.

    Bookmark     October 3, 2013 at 2:14PM
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jackie_o(zone 5/6)

I've never had a hosta heave out of the soil, but I've had plenty of heucheras do it.
;)

    Bookmark     October 3, 2013 at 7:23PM
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