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Thyme2dig NH Zone 5

Hey Christin, they were and un-named sedum. I bought them last fall (i think 6 of them) because they were only about 1 foot tall, so I figured that was pretty close to what they would be in the garden. They're more like 2-3' tall but they don't flop and have a thinner leaf. Haven't tried to get an id on them. Might cut them back next summer to see if they'll be a bit shorted upon blooming. I like the stem color with the physocarpus.

    Bookmark     September 1, 2013 at 10:22AM
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christinmk z5b eastern WA

-Susan, my thoughts exactly with the stem color and Ninebark! The flowers looked like sedum but then I was totally thrown by the elongated leaves. Very cool. If you ever get an ID on it LMK!

Let me just add that so far I have not had luck with my V. crinata. I got it three or four years ago and the dern thing is barely over a foot tall. Only thing I can think of is that the soil pH here is off for it. Either that or it needs supremely moist conditions.
CMK

    Bookmark     September 1, 2013 at 11:34AM
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roxanna(z5b MA)

Lacey, you might try Googling a particular heuchera by name, then click on "images" -- this would give an expanded view of the color variations beyond the catalog/online photo from the seller. I just did that to see if it works, and saw a fair bit of variation, enough perhaps to make a decision whether you purchase or not! Give it a try... and good luck.

    Bookmark     August 31, 2013 at 11:41AM
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karin_mt(Zone 4)

I've been using google image search for all kinds of things lately. It yields interesting results when you enter specific paint colors too. It's a definite for thinking about a new plant, as it shows it in lots of different contexts.

    Bookmark     September 1, 2013 at 9:57AM
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dgregory_so.cntrl.IL_zone6a

Could be the residual effect of last Summers' brutal drought and this Spring's long cold wetness.

Chances are it'll behave more normally next year, time will tell.
:-)
Deb

    Bookmark     August 31, 2013 at 12:42PM
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gardenweed_z6a

That's pretty late for a coneflower to bloom but whatever the reason, be glad they bloomed. Might be the watering issue--they're prairie plants and tend to thrive on whatever moisture Ma Nature doles or doesn't dole out. I've never watered mine and they're thriving 3 years down the road. My neighbor has had a butterfly garden filled with them for more years than I've lived here and she's never watered it. The coneflowers have thrived.

Yes we're a zone warmer than you but Echinacea/coneflower is mostly rated to Z6 so you should be okay unless you plant some of the fancy hybrid cultivars.

I recommend you do your research on the perennials you plant and get acquainted with their needs. Chances are you'll be surprised. They honestly need quite a bit less help from you than you might think.

Happy gardening!

    Bookmark     August 31, 2013 at 9:25PM
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linnea56(z5 IL)

Mine (both spectabilis varieties, one white and the other pink, planted in mid June of this year) turned yellow before they went dormant. The one in a slightly drier position with more sun did this first. But neither got any brown tips in the process. Just a slow yellowing.

    Bookmark     August 31, 2013 at 3:47PM
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gardenweed_z6a

According to what I found on Google, the cultivar you're asking about is a cultivar of the spectabilis type so I'm guessing at this time of year in Zone 5 it's either dormant or soon will be. D. spectabilis is a reliable spring blooming perennial in my zone that goes yellow & dormant not long after flowering. If the roots were well-established when you planted it, I'd expect it to show up again next spring. It's been a tough old bird in my garden beds for many years.

I doubt it will survive winter if you're growing it in a container altho' the WFF website says it's hardy to Z3. A plant needs to be hardy to at least two zones colder than its range in order to come through winter in a container. You can sink the container into the ground to increase your chance of seeing it survive the winter.

An added note--I've never fertilized or fed any of my bleeding hearts over the past 30 years. As with most perennials, they simply don't need it if they're growing in healthy soil. If your soil is healthy & rich in organic material, your perennials will thrive without fertilizer, especially chemicals.

Below is a link I found to information on your plant at White Flower Farms.

Here is a link that might be useful: D. spectabilis Valentine at White Flower Farm

    Bookmark     August 31, 2013 at 9:07PM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

I used to grow Emilia every year and it really was a nice accent scattered throughout the garden. On my monitor your photo is showing much more orange, so I didn't recognize it till you said the name. Hmm, I had forgotten about this little gem - been awhile since I grew it and I kind of forgot about it. Since I'm making a red/yellow/orange bed, I'll have to think about adding Emilia to it. Thanks for the reminder!

Dee

    Bookmark     August 30, 2013 at 11:38PM
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    Bookmark     August 31, 2013 at 12:53AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

There you are gardengal! Nice that you had a little time off while summer is still with us. Thanks for the name of the brands of potting soil. I can find Farfards locally, I'm pretty sure. Expensive, but, maybe it's worth it. I will also change what I'm looking for with the bark fines and see if that helps.

Well, your cottage by the sea sounds very cozy. And I guess there is always a trade off, no matter what. The deck sounds wonderful and I would imagine you could just about live out there. :-) I bet all your guests don't mind staying out on the deck, one little bit. lol

    Bookmark     August 30, 2013 at 6:50PM
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river_crossroads z8b Central Louisiana

Gardengal, thanks so much for info on potting soil. Your huge deck with views of Puget Sound must be wonderful - sounds like it is well-deserved after lots of hard work. Enjoy!

    Bookmark     August 30, 2013 at 10:34PM
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mulchmama

Amazing. We battled them in Chicago my entire pre-Kansas life, and they were always gone by mid-August, turned into grubs that killed the lawns. They showed up in KC a year or two ago, but so far so good here. If we ever get heavily intested -- it's time to move again!

    Bookmark     August 30, 2013 at 2:34PM
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mulchmama

I missed the delete feature. Where is it?

    Bookmark     August 30, 2013 at 8:13AM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

nice Eric
I think most of the not-because-gardenweb-is-slow posts are ipad and iphone related. When you hit the back browser they will resubmit the post if you happen to get back to it..... hence the duplicate posts hours or days later.

    Bookmark     August 30, 2013 at 10:04AM
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sunnyborders(5b)

Interesting, more than beautiful, Rouge.

A cross between a crop circle and a parterre?
Still there's no doubt it's clever gardening.

If I had to do this, I'd first think of relying on annuals.

    Bookmark     August 29, 2013 at 2:42PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Just lovely, both in concept and execution. I will look forward to input from the creators of this beautiful garden space.

    Bookmark     August 29, 2013 at 4:56PM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

In "the old days" lol, I had much better luck overwintering potted mums. Almost every one I planted survived and throve for several years.

It's only been the last 6 to 8 or so years that I've had problems. I can't help but wonder if it is because back then, they were sold in September. Now the supermarkets have them in the end of June. Actually, I find it's getting harder and harder to find mums that will last through October and into November because they are all bloomed out by September.

I still plant most of them, but never with much hope of survival.

Dee

    Bookmark     August 27, 2013 at 10:20PM
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hostaholic2 z 4, MN

Mammoth Mums are quite hardy and have survived my zone 4 winters until I got tired of them and gave them away. Do not cut them back in the fall, the stems help to protect the crown over winter. Also, it's a bit late to tell you this now, but planting mums in the spring improves the survival rate.

    Bookmark     August 29, 2013 at 12:05AM
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nanaclaire(5b)

Mine is only maybe 6-7" tall. I was thinking of putting it in a big planter I have. But thinking I should wait till early Spring? I doubt we'll get any flowers this Fall but you never know. They may show up in October. Being it is so small, I'm thinking it won't bloom.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2013 at 8:13PM
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gardenweed_z6a

Montauk daisy - Nipponanthemum nipponicum - thrives in sandy conditions, not surprisingly near the shore. It does have rubbery foliage and blooms late--in October where I am. Yes, it's in the daisy family but as far as I'm aware it's not a Shasta daisy that blooms mid-summer.

It's quite a woody plant that should be pruned in spring (since it blooms in the fall) to control height/size. I grew my plants from seed via winter sowing but have so far not been overly impressed with their performance in the perennial garden beds. It's definitely a low/no-care perennial aside from pruning to control size/shape.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2013 at 8:39PM
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sunnyborders(5b)

Mostly cutting back, thinning things out, deadheading, removing stakes and some restaking (latter phlox after heavy rain and New England asters).

Main focus, cut out the beginnings of mildew, increase air flow between plants and make sure the perennials have enough water; plus tidy up.

Picture: yesterday.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2013 at 9:44AM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Transplanting to do and weeds to pull things like that. Waiting for the horrid heat to break. Right now I'm just pulling dead material off, dead heading roses and pulling dried daylily scape's out so moisture doesn't turn to rot in this heat.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2013 at 11:50AM
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david883(5/6)

Miclino - I bought some sort of veronicas last spring... FULL SUN it said up and down the label. I must have bought 5 or 6 of them. After a few days in full sun they started declining... a few weeks all but one were gone. Dug up the remaining one (or what was left of it) plopped it in full shade and today its growing happily. Its "one of those things" I guess. I feel your pain

    Bookmark     August 28, 2013 at 6:04AM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

I have various types growing in shady conditions - but not the deepest shade - and they do fine.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2013 at 10:00AM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

Funny that your photo was asked about Karin. I've passed it by several times in reading this thread, and each time I admired the rose. For some reason this evening as I was scrolling past it yet again to read the newest posts to this thread, it really caught my eye, and I was going to comment on really what a nice garden it is! I don't know why it took me so long to really see it, but thank you for sharing it!

:)
Dee

    Bookmark     August 27, 2013 at 7:19PM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

Another example:

    Bookmark     August 28, 2013 at 8:57AM
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nanaclaire(5b)

Thanks... going to look that up.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2013 at 8:01AM
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nanaclaire(5b)

YEP, that's what I believe it is. Thanks again. I'm going to read the info on it. Maybe I can find out why it isn't growing much. and no blooms... but is does say blooms Sept/Oct but didn't see any last year.

Got some info. Grows in well-drained soil and last year and this year we got a lot of rain. I think where I have it planted gets too soggy so I'm going to find a new home for it. I think I should move it in the early Spring though. It might not matter b/c I doubt it will bloom this year.

    Bookmark     August 28, 2013 at 8:08AM
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