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mulchmama

I've been cutting back Joe Pyes to tidy them up for over ten years. It makes a huge improvement. The plant is shorter, more compact, not likely to flop, and produces more blooms -- but a bit later. When they get to be about 18" tall, I shear tham back by half, and about a month after that, I cut them back again, but by about a third. I stop cutting them back around July 4th. The timing might be different in your area, but you know how to figure it out.

    Bookmark     August 27, 2013 at 2:12PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

Rabbits did the job for me early in the season. In fact, they kept chewing my Little Joe to the ground over and over. I was afraid it wouldn't make it. For some reason, they stopped and it did recover. It just started to bloom about a week ago and is only around 2 feet tall, but I can't say it branched out like normal pinching does. It's definitely very full however - more from the base of the plant.

Kevin

    Bookmark     August 27, 2013 at 2:36PM
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GreatPlains1(7OK)

delete double post.

This post was edited by GreatPlains1 on Tue, Aug 27, 13 at 0:30

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 11:47PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

GP1, love that Desert Four OâÂÂclock and the Blue Hair Grass is very cute. I'm planning on ordering that 'Blond Ambition'.Thanks!

Karin, no problem with a thread drift, I like penstemons too, although mine all disappeared on me this spring.

Babs, IâÂÂve seen a car dealer near me that used ribbon grass in the ground, wow, what a job they are going to have keeping that in control, itâÂÂs spreading in a dense matt. Japanese and Siberian Iris are a good substitute and they look nice with your SolomonâÂÂs Seal. Thanks!

CMK, I have a lot of part sun and IâÂÂd have to watch the moisture levels, I may give that Blue Oat Grass a try. Putting the aggressive plants in under a tree, good idea. ItâÂÂs not easy finding something that grows vigorously under trees.

I do like that âÂÂAureolaâ and IâÂÂm going to keep my eye out for that. Thank you!

    Bookmark     August 27, 2013 at 12:45PM
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what is this perennial? It has poinsettia-like brachssee attached photo
Posted by gardenmomma(VA z7) August 27, 2013
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wieslaw59

Looks like an oak tree seedling to me.

    Bookmark     August 27, 2013 at 9:47AM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

The leaves do look oakish, but if you look at the back part of the plant you can see the red bracts similar to a poinsettia. Compare it to wild poinsettia, an euphorbia related to the Christmas poinsettias and also a southeast native plant.

Here is a link that might be useful: NC wildflowers website

    Bookmark     August 27, 2013 at 12:04PM
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spedigrees z4VT

Woodyoak, the crabapple in my photo is an American Spirit, but the fruits on my Profusion and Prairiefire look identical. I don't think these fruits are edible, except by the birds. Last spring, flocks of robins, and other birds, dined on them. Before that, I didn't think that even birds would eat these fruits. I think these trees are all some sort of Asian ornamental trees.

My grandmother had one of the old varieties of crabapple trees that you refer to, and she put up delicious spiced crabapples one year. I'm nostalgic for them too!

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 4:49PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

That's a pretty apple, Woody. I am sure everyone feels this way, but don't you think certain foods, fruits and vegetables especially tasted better when you were young? I wonder if it is an illusion, or if it was our 'young' taste buds or is it actually that it was tastier? :-)

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 4:53PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

if you start tearing out everything with mildew.. in fall... you arent going to have much left ... come spring

why would you destroy a perennial????

cut them back

ken

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 2:27PM
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mary_max

Ha you always make me smile when I read your comments! Its like what a fool person asks such a dumb question. Haaaa Thanks for the answer. I was hoping I didn't have to tear the plants out. Let me ask another question. Is it time to cut things back in zone 5? I need to clean up things before I can move anything or before I can plant out my summer sown things. Oh lovely summer sowing . Free plants!

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 2:58PM
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teri2(7B TN)

I've never grown it myself but, if you Google it, it's generally accepted that it's high on the invasive list.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 6:22PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

the link post.. just fell to page 2 ...

you WILL regret... not removing it

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 8:07AM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

I'm not sure if that is new growth. It seems a bit early for the plant to be doing that. I enlarged the photo and compared the leaves in the center to the leaves on the blooming stems and they are very, very different. Are you sure something else didn't self-sow right in the middle of the plant? That happens. It's hard to say. I'm aware that new growth leaves look very different from the older leaves, but there's something about these leaves that just doesn't look right - almost like another plant right smack in the middle.

There isn't much you can do about it now, but make a note and see what's going on with this plant either after it's done blooming or next spring. You might have to lift it out of the ground to see if something else is growing there.

Kevin

This post was edited by aachenelf on Mon, Aug 26, 13 at 6:34

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 6:02AM
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jacqueinthegorge(USDA 8 / Sunset 5)

I agree, looks like a different plat erupting in the middle of your rudbeckias. Don't know what though.

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 6:53AM
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jujujojo_gw(6b 7a)

Posted by Auron22 6b (My Page) on Sun, Aug 25, 13 at 20:09

Thank you so much. I notice neither squirrel nor bird attempt to eat them. The vine is really messy but it is not on my property.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 10:24PM
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david883(5/6)

I have this stuff creeping up and through my privacy fence from the woods behind me. It even makes it way to climbing up some trees and is very hard to pull out without ripping branches and leaves off the trees. What a pain!

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 6:14AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I almost bought a 'Little Spires' yesterday. I'm thinking about taking out my Perovskia after 15 years in the same bed because it is flopping & driving me crazy. Especially this year, since we've had a lot of rain. But regardless, I do have other things in the bed that need water and I do have clay soil. I heard that 'Little Spires' remains upright, so if anyone has that variety, how is it doing?

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 5:27AM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

I bought 'Little Spires' this past spring and so far it is completely upright. I like it - lots. Seems very sturdy. I'm not so sure about the ultimate height however. I think it's advertized at 2 feet, but I'm sure mine is taller which makes me wonder what it will do in year 2 and after.

Kevin

    Bookmark     August 26, 2013 at 5:49AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

seriously ....

the orchard 2 miles from my house.. has a 6 foot stack of them for sale..

and somehow.. a woman who drove 65 miles to meet a total GW stranger.. is too shy to go ask an orchard.. if they have baskets for sale..

crikey woman ... which on is it.. franklin.. want me to call them for you????

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: i called.. no one answered ...

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 4:48PM
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spedigrees z4VT

We bought a half dozen baskets on line some years back. I can't locate the receipt, so not sure where we purchased them, but here are a few places that sell them:

http://wooddowels.frankedmunds.com/category/wood-baskets

http://www.wasserstrom.com/restaurant-supplies-equipment/cooking_woodbasket_1000148

http://www.groworganic.com/1-bushel-basket-with-2-handles.html

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 5:49PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Hi...I started to respond to everyone's suggestions this morning and then decided it might help if I posted photos, so I am going to post a second thread with the photos if anyone wants to comment.

:-)
pm2

    Bookmark     September 8, 2007 at 8:22PM
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teri2(7B TN)

Bless Google! My search for "dry shade tall" turned up this great 6 year old thread. Full of good information. Let's put this at the head of the line for others who were not around when the thread originated.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 5:43PM
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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

I have had some self seeding with Blue Fortune and Golden Jubilee. None with Firebird though it does set seed which I have collected and sown.

This post was edited by mnwsgal on Sat, Aug 24, 13 at 22:48

    Bookmark     August 24, 2013 at 10:47PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Thanks for all the feedback re all things "Agastache".

I think I have access to these hot color varieties:

- TANGO

- SUMMER GLOW

- SUMMER SUNSET

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 11:54AM
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sunnyborders(5b)

I started phlox gardening with no name phlox purchased from the local horticultural society spring sale and have gradually purchased and supplemented those plants with a variety of more recent named cultivars.

Have found those big old no names (to me) to be very reliable, but they need periodic division, reducing and replanting with enriched soil to stay attractive.

I'm now beginning to need to divide, etc., the named cultivars. In the case of 'Peppermint Twist', it's actually just because it spreads so rapidly in our garden.

I don't see any seeding with the newer named cultivars.

The reliable oldies above, occasionally seed, but even if the seedlings were worth keeping, division produces lots more phlox anyway.

I did have a previous experience with seeding and seedlings of the older cultivar 'White Admiral'. The plants produced were nondescript with wishy-washy pinkish flowers. I believe these represented reversions in the direction of the phlox' ancestry.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 12:28AM
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Sammywillt(NC IOWA . 4)

At the end of a hot muggy day , as the sun moves into its final position , and with the swallows dive bombing for mosquitoes Nothing , and I mean nothing , smells as good as Phlox David .

Whats weird is I had no ideal they had a scent until I gave up my 35 year smoking habit .

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 9:53AM
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boday

Not a great fan of Ech Marmalade. Came out, kind of a dirty dull orange. And then disappeared into the great beyond this year.

    Bookmark     August 4, 2013 at 3:48PM
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gumneck 7A Virginia

My feelings about Helenium Tie Dye have changed. It has darkened up and is quite colorful, and I am liking it better. I only wish I had pinched it back some. Here are some recent photos.
photographed in the morning before the sun hits it:

photographed in the afternoon when the sun hits it:

I have another one that is in a shadier spot all day and its more goldish orange, so will be moved.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 9:34AM
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Marie Tulin(6a Boston MA suburb)

Something that worked in the past when word wars broke out: just stop posting. Eventually the thread dies a natural and usually welcome death.
Funny thing is, the old thread sometimes pops up again months or years later because some unsuspecting soul has done a "search" and come across the original topic. Unbeknownst to them, they re-activate the hornet's nest.
Perhaps we could start the topic afresh with a slightly different name.Anyone who wants to keep fighting can talk to themselves here.
But you really have to restrain yourself from even posting "thanks" or "good idea" or "you stink" Every post brings it back to the top again.
My two cents worth ....

    Bookmark     August 12, 2013 at 9:45PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

aseedisapromise:

Gazania said it very well about the Missouri Eve Primrose

You know how there is the 'great' debate re. a true blue flower. Well it seems cut and dried to me that the Missouri Primrose is the poster child for true yellow. I was out this morning and this young plant had two so sunny yellow blooms.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2013 at 9:04AM
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