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I started phlox gardening with no name phlox purchased from the local horticultural society spring sale and have gradually purchased and supplemented those plants with a variety of more recent named cultivars.
Have found those big old no names (to me) to be very reliable, but they need periodic division, reducing and replanting with enriched soil to stay attractive.
I'm now beginning to need to divide, etc., the named cultivars. In the case of 'Peppermint Twist', it's actually just because it spreads so rapidly in our garden.
I don't see any seeding with the newer named cultivars.
The reliable oldies above, occasionally seed, but even if the seedlings were worth keeping, division produces lots more phlox anyway.
I did have a previous experience with seeding and seedlings of the older cultivar 'White Admiral'. The plants produced were nondescript with wishy-washy pinkish flowers. I believe these represented reversions in the direction of the phlox' ancestry.
At the end of a hot muggy day , as the sun moves into its final position , and with the swallows dive bombing for mosquitoes Nothing , and I mean nothing , smells as good as Phlox David .
Whats weird is I had no ideal they had a scent until I gave up my 35 year smoking habit .
My feelings about Helenium Tie Dye have changed. It has darkened up and is quite colorful, and I am liking it better. I only wish I had pinched it back some. Here are some recent photos.
photographed in the morning before the sun hits it:
photographed in the afternoon when the sun hits it:
I have another one that is in a shadier spot all day and its more goldish orange, so will be moved.
Something that worked in the past when word wars broke out: just stop posting. Eventually the thread dies a natural and usually welcome death.
Funny thing is, the old thread sometimes pops up again months or years later because some unsuspecting soul has done a "search" and come across the original topic. Unbeknownst to them, they re-activate the hornet's nest.
Perhaps we could start the topic afresh with a slightly different name.Anyone who wants to keep fighting can talk to themselves here.
But you really have to restrain yourself from even posting "thanks" or "good idea" or "you stink" Every post brings it back to the top again.
My two cents worth ....
aseedisapromise:
Gazania said it very well about the Missouri Eve Primrose
You know how there is the 'great' debate re. a true blue flower. Well it seems cut and dried to me that the Missouri Primrose is the poster child for true yellow. I was out this morning and this young plant had two so sunny yellow blooms.
It isn't Linaria purpurea- the stem/foliage on those are pretty glaucus. Plus the flowers are distinctly snapdragon-like ;-)
While I've never seen a purple loosestrife in real life, I always thought the flowers were "fatter"?
I'm fairly certain it IS a Veronica. Could be a Veronicastrum if the whole head (with side shoots of flowers) wasn't picked. My bet still goes with Veronica though ;-) I've noticed the flower density/how close packed the flowers are really differs from cultivar to cultivar. It always seems the longifolia types are longer and "sparse" looking somehow.
Pic below of my 'Red Fox' Veronica to show how the stigmas are left behind. Link shows it on Veronicastrum...
CMK
Here is a link that might be useful: Veronicastrum
Picture certainly looks similar.
From memory, I'd have said not Veronicastrum virginicum.
Unfortunately have already cut them back.
However, picture of 'Lavendelturm' (Lavender Towers: in the reference picture) in our garden in July.
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This post was edited by SunnyBorders on Sun, Aug 25, 13 at 1:39
I'm with your parents and would like to eliminate them as well due to their sloppy habit of falling over but chances are you'll find them cropping up in other spots--they do seed around. Check them out on Google if you're interested in more information. As christinmk mentioned, Tradescantia is the botanical name; the common name is spiderwort. While they do attract pollinators, they're not my favorite perennial thanks to their floppy habit.
They are pretty sad looking. At my house I have lots of areas bordering the woods that I want to landscape with wildflowers and natural plants. I think they'll work out well there. In exchange, I gave my parents the iris tubers that were also ID'd on this forum. Love a good trade :)
Wow, lots of great things here! Reading through this thread, I realized I have more tiny things than I thought!
I just bought two variegated Mouse Ears hosta (I think they are called Frosted Mouse Ears) and hosta Cameo, another mini (which is kinda funny because I also just bought a hosta Empress Wu and Komodo Dragon - for another thread, perhaps?). I was enchanted with them as soon as I opened the box!
I also have some tiny astilbe, whose name escapes me, cyclamen, creeping sedum (one very tiny one again whose name escapes me at the moment). I used to have oomphaloides, but they died out on me. I also love primroses and portulaca, and lily of the valley. Love creeping phlox but sadly it does not love me.
As for spring plants, I do have a lot of the minor bulbs - crocuses, iris reticulata, chionodoxa, scilla, grape hyacinths, dwarf early narcissus, snowdrops, and species tulips, all of which are very welcome sights in the spring! I've got some fall-blooming crocus as well.
Akebono, you reminded me of bluets, which I never would have mentioned because I never planted them and thought they were a "weed". For the 17 years I've been here, every spring they just pop up in a large spot in my so-called lawn. Everyone loves them - even my husband and son mow around them when they mow the lawn. I never knew what they were till about ten years ago when I got curious and finally looked them up.
Funny how walking past all these little things can bring a big smile to your face!
Dee
Hi all!
I saw Franeli's photo and comments regarding the lingonberry. I'm right at the borderline zone for it to grow. My mother tried once and it did not work. I may give it a go. Could you tell me how many mature plants are needed to make the 1 cup sauce? I always buy it for the holidays. If I could grow it, I'd feel like I'd get an added bonus! thanks all for letting me diverge.....
I grow little bluestem 'Blue Heaven' in part shade which stays two feet tall and is bluish with reddish accents in summer turning reddish purple in fall. It only gets a few hours of full afternoon sun. This is also near a large maple tree which may be a factor in keeping it short and compact. My hakone grass is in the same bed just a bit over with little sun and gets only 6-8 inches tall.
Beautiful garden. Perhaps some low growing plants for the front of the border-dianthus, moss phlox(subulata),or campanula'clips'. Or low growing foliage plants like thymes or sedums that come in different colors, bright yellows,reds, and varying shades of green all which do fine with minimal water. All mentioned do well in my zone 5 sunny gardens.
Hey Dee, have you thought of mixing groundcover sedums to form a bit of a patchwork on your slope? Does your slope face up where you'll see it head on? There is a garden near me that did about the same size slope as yours and they massed a handful of different kinds and it looked really interesting. Just a thought if you can't find a lot of the one you want.
Thyme, I actually have thought of that. Some of the websites I've looked at offer mixes, and the photos of roofs and slopes are pretty interesting. And I do love sooo many different kinds of sedum!
But since I've started with the K and have a nice little swath of it started, I think I'd like to keep it all the same. I may have to go to the mix, if that's really the cheapest option, which of course is more work since I'd have to dig up my K and mix the other stuff in.
I've got an email in to a Canadian nursery. We'll see!
Dee
I have 'Honorine Jobert' in northeastern Pennsylvania zone5. Foliage emerges mid-spring and it is starting to bloom now. It spreads and overtakes other plants in my partial shade garden with rich soil. I pull out 1/3 from here every year.
In a sunny bed with no amendments and only thin mulch layer,1/2-1", it does fine. No invasive traits. I have to do nothing with it.
Leaves are med-dark green, thick, 3 palmate toothed margins and get about 3-4" diameter.
Blooms are so pretty, I thought it was an artificial flower the first time I saw it-pristine white petals and vibrant yellow stamens surrounding pale green center.
This plant is beautiful but don't plant it too close to other perennials because it spreads over time with tenacious roots. I have been pulling out leaves and roots popping up all summer from a huge plant I dug out this spring. The root of the main plant was 3" thick. It keeps putting up leaves all over a 4 foot space and I pull them everyday to try to get rid of this.
I planted it out in a meadow where it can do what it wants. I love the flowers but the bloom only lasts a few weeks and isn't worth the space it takes up in my average size garden. Leaves are nothing significant, just green. The flower stems are very tall even in full sun. Where I live it dies down over winter with ratty looking leaves, and I have to cut it back to the ground.
There is this very, very useful tool called a lawnmower. The ignorant think it is just for manicuring grass. The enlightened know it as one the easiest, most efficient destroyer of truly horrible weeds commonly available. It is amazing what will rather die than be kept at three inches tall. The number of trees I have killed must be measured in the thousands by now.
LOL, yes, I discovered that the former owner used that very method to control the bazillions of Rose of Sharon seedlings trying to colonize the backyard. (said Roses of Sharon will be severely pruned and possibly entirely removed under the new management ;-) !)
Trouble is, the houttynia in the ground-level bed is well and truly woven in between, betwixt and behind several layers of shrubs and other (desirable) perennials... thus the Lawnmower Method is too non-selective in this case.
(That said, it has been my experience that wild garlic laughs at lawnmower blades, however low and repeititive, and simply throws yet another bulbil-propagation party underground afterward.)
Hi...I started to respond to everyone's suggestions this morning and then decided it might help if I posted photos, so I am going to post a second thread with the photos if anyone wants to comment.
:-)
pm2
Bless Google! My search for "dry shade tall" turned up this great 6 year old thread. Full of good information. Let's put this at the head of the line for others who were not around when the thread originated.