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gardenweed_z6a

Another vote for Maltese cross/Lychnis chalcedonica altho' where I am it blooms much earlier in the season--mine bloomed in June. It's easily sown from seed via winter sowing.

    Bookmark     August 22, 2013 at 6:13AM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

I concur as well. :)

Dee

    Bookmark     August 22, 2013 at 5:39PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Yes, you can rotate photos in Photobucket. It's slow, like the rest of Photobucket, but it does work. While it is possible that photos that look right on your computer might show up sideways here, if it looks right on Photobucket, it will look right here.

    Bookmark     August 22, 2013 at 1:21PM
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echinaceamaniac(7)

If you have an iPhone, rotate the image on your phone. Crop it slightly. It will always show up on here correctly if you do this. I can't speak for the other phones, but the iPhone will work with no trouble at all. Your phone should let you rotate the images after you take them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with using your phone to take photos. Some of them have really great cameras in them and they are so convenient without having to haul a second device around all the time.

    Bookmark     August 22, 2013 at 2:36PM
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gardenweed_z6a

Good on you florauk. According to my perennial books, Rudbeckia maxima is the botanical name altho' they're not an Echinacea as are coneflowers that are traditionally referred to by that name. Rudbeckias are normally lumped into the 'brown-eyed susan' family rather than coneflowers altho' the flower form is similar.

If they're anything like the ordinary Rudbeckias growing where I am, they thrive in full sun, heat, & dry soil that isn't necessarily rich in nutrients.

I checked Hazzard's Seeds' website and they do offer them. You might also check Swallowtail Garden Seeds. I offer those seed-source suggestions merely because I've had good experiences with both.

If you grow them from seed via winter sowing, it's generally a good idea to sow the seeds in spring since (according to my notes) the seeds don't need a cold period in order to germinate. If you don't want to go that route, you might check your local nurseries when Spring rolls around altho' I can honestly say I've never seen them for sale where I am, I'm guessing because my growing season is much shorter than where you are. I have no experience with open sowing them in the ground.

Best of luck to you!

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 7:45PM
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florauk(8/9)

All I did was Google Giant Coneflower and up it came.

However, Echinacea is generally called 'Echinacea' (!) here and Rudbeckias are occasionally called cone flowers, so I was thinking along those lines anyway. The seed is available from the place I linked to also.

    Bookmark     August 22, 2013 at 5:43AM
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Campanula UK Z8

no- wait till spring.

As a loose rule of thumb: plants which bloom before midsummer can be divided/moved in autumn. Later bloomers are best left till spring.

    Bookmark     August 22, 2013 at 4:11AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Hi SnailLover, PT equipment in the closet, sounds like the rest of us. ;-) We all do the same thing. You start out keeping up with it and then something knocks you off track. And even if you remember what they told you to do 6 years ago, if you have insurance coverage, and you have a history of this problem, I'm sure your Doc would give you a prescription to go again. Sometimes we need that PT person to keep us on track and make sure we are dong the movements correctly and at the right pace. And you can ask questions every week about how to cope with situations at home that are difficult. My PT person has come up with a lot of good ideas.

I also remember seeing a doctor on a PBS special say he had patients that have reversed arthritis. If you haven't seen his TV specials, he's pretty inspiring. He has books at the library too.

You are right, having some control and something we can do for ourselves is very motivating and encouraging. I hope you can find a way to improve your situation and feel a LOT better!! I will come back and check in and let you know how things are working out with me. Thanks, and good luck!

Here is a link that might be useful: Dr Fuhrman on Arthritis

    Bookmark     August 20, 2013 at 1:43AM
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SnailLover(5a MI)

Very interesting article, thank you!

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 10:03PM
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rober49(5 St Louis)

hijack away. i know quite a few plants that the bees love but i'm always looking for more.

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 8:10PM
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GreatPlains1(7OK)

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    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 9:43PM
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Thyme2dig NH Zone 5

Marie, you have GREAT bones! That garden bed has a great start and I can imagine how nice it will look when you're done. I always thought it looked good to begin with, but I know what you mean when youre ready for a change. Do you think you'll mass perennials in groups? I would take the bed in sections kind of in-between the bones. If you have 6x6 area between 2 shrubs, then what do you want in that space to complement them? A couple smaller shrubs? A handful of perennials. The same? All different? Do you want some extra room for annuals for a riot of summer color? Those are some of the questions I pose to myself when I'm looking at an area. I always try to break down larger beds into smaller workable (for my brain) areas. i have a hard time figuring out a really large area all at once. I do usually jot down a few notes with thoughts about plant material for a particular section and then what might complement the next area of the bed and so on and so on.

And, the other question is, how much maintenance do you want going forward in that whole area.

I'll bring my felcos down in the spring and we can have a pruning party! I prune shrubs any time the mood strikes even if its the "wrong" time to prune, so if you want to do it this fall, count me in!! Just remember those mint brownies! LOL!

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 8:15PM
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Marie Tulin(6a Boston MA suburb)

mad-g: I don't think they are planted too close together. some of them have been in 18 years.Everything except the smaargs have been pruned periodically, but I think the size crept upward and my sense of perspective and size just got used to 'large' and mislaid 'proportional.'And the mature size of a couple of things is bigger than I expected. I expected the chamy obtusa nana to be small-nana (like 7 feet tall and 4 feet wide) but is large-nana, more like 10 x 6. But it is beautiful and while I might be more assertive about pruning it, I would not discard it.
Each year for the last several I've gotten more aggressive about cutting back the smoke bush, advancing from a timid few inches to two feet last year. I'm working my way up to "chop" and "lop" for next spring to arrive at "coppice". I know if I have a drink I'll get up the nerve to just wack it back to a few feet.
As Ken would say, what's the worst that can happen? It could die and I'd have space for something else that would be easier in a mixed border.
Thanks, Susan.
I took pictures on my crummy cell phone today. I'll see what I can do to transfer them to photo bucket and up load them here.Then the fun will really begin!

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 9:01PM
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Thyme2dig NH Zone 5

Woody!! For some reason I thought you were all the way out in PNW? Toronto? Heck, that's a hop, skip and a jump!
Marie, that could be another stop for our trip. Maybe we should skip going south to Mobot and head north to Woody's instead. Hmmmmm.....now the wheels (on the flowered bus) are really turning!

Karin, don't think I won't be on your doorstep someday too!!

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 8:24PM
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Marie Tulin(6a Boston MA suburb)

How about we start a new thread about "Your fantasy garden tour", and people can not only talk about tour content, but your fantasy garden outfits, must bring items, tips for sneaking cuttings out of the tour garden, how to compliment and insult the hosts, and how to pack plant pots purchased efficiently for the ride home....oh yes, just who would you hate to have as a seat mate!
don't answer here....that would be adding a hijack to my hijack.

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    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 8:47PM
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Scoden(4)

Who knows how I got on this page--ah, the mysteries of the technological world and little boxes.
What I was interested in reading was how well pink poodle did since I've just purchased one, but it seems, like everything else, nothing is for sure.

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 12:33PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

I've had my Pink Poodle for a couple years now and I love it, but I noticed it is now starting to look similar to the above photo. No yellow leaves at all, and flowered beautifully this year, didn't notice deformed flowers out of the ordinary (it never blooms perfectly double, it's always a bit off). Never had problems w/rotting in years previous, so I doubt that's it. I guess I should dig it up to see if anything is making a meal out of the roots or crown. Sigh...

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 5:48PM
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Mae Taylor

Meant to post it in another forum!

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 3:19PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

Karin - I was wondering if you ever did this. Happy to hear it went well for you. I think you just have to do it once to figure out a system that works well for you. I didn't do it this spring, but I have a few peonies to get rid of this fall, so I'll put 'em up. That should bring in a nice hunk of change to put towards my spring plant order.

molie - You know, I think you're correct about the type of people you meet selling plants. From my experience, they really are a different breed - a nice breed. That being said, I've sold so much stuff on CL - non plant stuff - and have yet to have a bad experience. If you have some common sense, you really can weed out anyone who seems insincere or just not who they say they are. I think it also depends on what you're trying to sell. Selling a rare coin collection for instance probably wouldn't be a good idea. Selling some patio furniture, no big deal. Just my opinion based on a lot of experience.

Kevin

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 11:58AM
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growlove(zone4 Ia.)

I have never tried selling on Craig's list, but for too many years to count, I dig excess plants from my many beds and advertise a two day sale. The wonderful gardening friends I have met make it a joy, not a chore. I dig and pot according to the size of the plant and mark each with info about it. The reward is in sharing for at a fair price and then having the dollars to buy more of the expensive plants I would otherwise not afford. Though it is a bit labor intensive and ads, potting soil,etc.take a little off one's profit. The reward is meeting these gardening folks who look forward to the sale each year. Have only had to purchase pots one year and most return them each year. Usually dig between 6 00 and 700 plants each year and try to introduce a couple new ones. One year I tried the dig your own approach which didn't work out for me. Good luck with selling on Craig's list. Will be anxious to see how that works out for you. Mary

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 2:29PM
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coolplantsguy(z6 Ontario)

The 'Luna' is also a good, and relatively dwarf series.

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 10:49AM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

True re Luna - they are shorter than my Disco Belles....

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 10:59AM
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akebono(6/7)

'Lemon Queen' is fully perennial. I would consider it very tedious to deadhead a large 'LQ' and have not seen seedlings from letting seeds form.

Most importantly, the seeds are LOVED by goldfinches, and will provide a sort of second season of color by their numbers when they show up and feed heartily on the seeds.

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 10:31AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I do understand there is a perennial LQ sunflower. I looked up the images of it and mine doesn't look like that, mine looks very much like your usual annual sunflower, so maybe there are two different plants?

    Bookmark     August 21, 2013 at 10:46AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Thanks for the continuing feedback but I have now planted both "Chicago Apache" and "Earlybird Cardinal" day-lilies. I am hoping that with EBC flowering early and CA blooming later there will be color for much of the summer in this section of the garden.

Even today "Apache" gives a hint at hopefully future floriferousness with this one bloom.

(The Crocosmia suggestion was interesting but the place I had in mind was not full sun and being in a z4 I think they might have difficulty overwintering)..

This post was edited by rouge21 on Tue, Aug 20, 13 at 17:18

    Bookmark     August 20, 2013 at 8:20AM
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wieslaw59

If you really MEAN BRIGHT RED, then I would suggest All American Chief daylily instead. It is the only one I've seen that I would call bright red, the rest are just red-wannabes. What's more, it actually grows and blooms!, unlike many other daylilies here. One of the few, who actually deserves its Silver Stout Medal.

    Bookmark     August 20, 2013 at 7:26PM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

Ok, please don't get offended by my negativity, but although I generally love variegated plants, there's something to this one that always makes me think it looks weedy.... And I have more than my share of weedy plants that I love.... But not this one.
It seems bulletproof though, and it does lighten up the hedge behind very nicely. I think when pruning, your best bet will be to cut older stems out from the base in late winter. That should help with the size and keep the graceful airy look.

    Bookmark     August 20, 2013 at 12:26PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

'kato', there is no need to apologize! Most of us are stimulated by honest and varied points of view re. plants and gardens.

As you say it is bullet proof in that it can easily handle dry shade.

It will soon do (far more quickly than I had thought) what I wanted it to do when I planned the purchase i.e. (quickly) cover the very back corner.

Interesting suggestion re an "airy look" as I had always thought I wanted it to be essentially impenetrable to any view behind it but you have got me thinking.

This post was edited by rouge21 on Tue, Aug 20, 13 at 15:10

    Bookmark     August 20, 2013 at 3:09PM
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