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gardenweed_z6a

There's a large area the width of the house located on the north side that gets full shade. I designed the garden on paper before ever pushing a spade into the soil. There are the following now planted & thriving in it:

Hosta 'Krossa Regal,' 'Regal Splendor,' 'Dream Weaver,' 'Queen of the Seas,' 'Revolution' & 'Frances Williams.'
Cimicifuga racemosa/black snakeroot
Tricyrtis hirta/toad lily
Alchemilla mollis/lady's mantle
Carex/Japanese sedge 'Ice Dance'
Heuchera/coral bells
Hellebore/Lenten rose
Perennial geranium
Aquilegia/columbine
Astilbe
Brunnera/Siberian bugloss 'Jack Frost'
Polemonium/Jacob's ladder
Dicentra spectabilis 'Alba'/white bleeding heart
Pulmonaria/lungwort
Mertensia virginica/Virginia bluebells
Athyrium/ferns (Japanese painted + one other)

The bed itself is 24 ft. wide & 4 ft. deep at its widest points (I curved the edge & laid a walkway). This photo was taken early in the season before things reached their full size.

Sorry it's not from exactly the same angle but here's how it looked later in the growing season:

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 8:41PM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

I have LOTS of shade, and the plants I have are hostas (of course!), foxgloves, hydrangeas, astilbes, azaleas, columbines, heucheras, lily of the valley, monkshood, carex, bleeding hearts, and tiarellas.

Iin areas that are more shady than sunny, the following do quite well: phlox, daylilies, geraniums, toad lilies, chrysanthemums, campanula, lilies, platycodon, annual rudbeckias, coreopsis, fothergilla, pulmonaria, feverfew, echinacea, daisies, penstemon, dahlias, itea, hollies, clethra, boxwood, viburnum. If you have spring sun you can plant bulbs as well, which would theoretically bloom before the shade took over.

I even have a few roses in half sun/half shade that do fairly well - probably would do better in sun but not bad in shade - Darlow's Enigma, Zephrine Drouin, and Lyda Rose.

Sorry, I don't really have any pictures to share. My gardens are so messy they might discourage you anyway, lol.

Good luck!
Dee

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 10:40PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

What do you want? Color, size, bloom time.

There are late blooming daffodils, and early blooming daylilies, so theoretically, you can have continually blooming without adding any other types of plants.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 2:27PM
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gardenweed_z6a

It's been my observation and experience that Mertensia virginica/Virginia bluebells, Brunnera/Siberian bugloss, Polemonium/Jacob's ladder, perennial geranium, Aquilegia/columbine & Dianthus/carnation bloom between daffs and daylilies. In part shade, these have performed well where I am one zone warmer. There are likely others but these are plants I'm growing for the bees, butterflies & hummingbirds.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 9:08PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

david - I checked the Dwarf Allegro and according to what I found the flowers are 6 inches across, but the plant grows from 16-20 inches tall. It's a pretty color though.

Kevin

    Bookmark     July 11, 2013 at 5:36AM
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wieslaw59

there are many non-flopping oriental poppies developed here in Europe in recent years. They are beautiful, but the blooming season is shorter than anything else, so I regret I bought so many. All from Paris-series are non-flopping(a.o. Place Pigalle, Clochard), Karine and others.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 8:03PM
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jennypat Zone 3b NW MN(Zone 3b NW MN)

Wieslaw, that is an elderberry called "Sutherland gold" Right now it's about 5' tall, the window and clematis are taller!

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 4:25PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Beautiful arrangements and I love your Dining Room!

I think you are right about the book, it's not by Tasha Tudor, but by Tovah Martin who wrote books with Tasha Tudor. Sorry about that. Nice book though.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 4:41PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I've seen a few Monarchs here, but not as many as in past years. One of my butterfly bushes has not bloomed yet, which I would have expected, but the Monarchs were all over the Echinaceas.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 4:20AM
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roxanna(z5b MA)

a2zmom, that looks like mine! isn't it gorgeous?!!

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 2:24PM
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audrey_gw

I have geranium wallichianum Buxton's Blue. It usually doesn't bloom until late summer, and has the best blue color under cooler conditions. It tends to be more lavender-ish in hot weather. Mine doesn't bloom heavily, but I like it anyway, since it blooms after all the other hardy geraniums have quit.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 2:07PM
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Ispahan Zone6a Chicago

For me, Stylophorum diphyllum is very well behaved. It does set a good number of curiously ornamental pods filled with copious amounts of seed which is carried off almost instantly by ants who are attracted to the elaiosomes. I have not noticed any seedlings yet, and there are no seedlings to be found around my neighbors' more established plantings either.

I do wish mine would multiply, so this year I have been intercepting the pods as they start to turn yellow, right before bursting open. I have been scratching the fresh seed into the soil where I hope some will germinate in the spring.

I have read that even the small seedlings are easy to identify and remove. This plant will not regrow from root fragments left behind once pulled up.

There are many other plants called wood poppy or celandine that can be invasive. The most notorious are Chelidonium majus--a European import that can look shockingly like Stylophorum diphyllum--and Ranunculus ficaria.

Here is a link that might be useful: Confusion over Celandine--Scott Arboretum

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 7:52AM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

rouge - it's not that the property is big but that the spot the mukdenia is in is damp (LOTS of mosquitoes!) and there are roots of a pussy willow tree that I tend to trip over when trying to get down there! We bought the mukdenia at the RBG plant sale in early May. I was still in a cast at that point so I told DH where to plant it - I wasn't entirely sure he fully understood where to put it.... I haven't wanted to risk tripping over the tree roots so I've not gone down to see what's happened to the mukdenia. I just sent DH down to take a picture of it for me. He had trouble finding it at first since he planted it too close to a hosta and it was hidden under the hosta leaves! Clearly it'll need to be moved next spring. But it seems to be doing OK:

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 12:41PM
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lalala (6b - Metro Boston)

Steve,
That's a good suggestion. I think I've mostly seen sweet potato vine in planters. How does it do in the garden? Does it sprawl and climb about?

    Bookmark     July 12, 2013 at 10:50PM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

Veronica Romiley Purple and Sunny Border Blue would both do well there for a spiked plant. Both would stay more compact and upright than Salvia or catmint. Both do well for me with some sun or full sun. Excellent plants and other colors to choose from.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 11:14AM
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gringo(z8 VA)

For some reason, they liked to get powdery mildew, where I lived before. Now I'm closer to the beach, but maybe there is a bit more air movement and there isn't a swimming pool next door, either.
I've Eva Cullem, Blue Paradise, Red= Starfire(?) White , probably David and seedling from it that looks just like the lavender form of it. Orange Perfection, which I would not have purchased had I not seen it in person. But there is Dusterlohe, which goes by another American name, I've forgotten, or otherwise its sometimes just listed as 'Purple'' by inexpensive mail order. I really preferred Mt Fuji, or Fujiyama, to David. The flower heads were larger and had a yellowish eye. But in heavy rain, the panicles might flop, when in full bloom.
Blue Paradise is spectacular colors in the early morning and/or at sunset, welll at least shade in either start or end of the day, for better enjoyment,
Trying a new 'Tiara'or double white, but maybe due to being underfed (?), it had small flowers and wasn't double florets, in any case. Possibly too young, might be reason for that. Not sure.
But newer ones seemed to all have smaller flowers, and shorter. Not sure if they 'Volcano series, or what. Not certain how to avoid fungus, other than possibly divide the plants, for better circulation, or remove lower leaves and then don't place them as close to the edge of the border.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2013 at 12:15AM
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Ispahan Zone6a Chicago

I love border phlox, especially when it is highly fragrant *and* mildew free. I know of three resources to find out more about which cultivars are likely to do well in hot, humid conditions:

1. Plant Delights Nursery. If they grow and sell it, it is likely to do well in hot, humid conditions without mildew.
2. Niche Gardens. The same comments above apply here, too.
3. Perennial Pleasures Nursery. Although located in northern Vermont, the owner is a phlox collector and has years of experience. She could probably recommend which of her plants are likely to do well in your conditions. Almost all of my phlox has come from this nursery. I highly recommend it!

Hope this helps,
Ispahan

Here is a link that might be useful: Perennial Pleasures Nursery

    Bookmark     July 14, 2013 at 8:02AM
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franeli(z4 NH)

I purchased 6 nice dormant roots from Fedco in Maine several years ago. All are gorgeous and blooming now in my meadow.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 11:39AM
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david883(5/6)

I've been continuously looking at all of these places and several others. I'm sure, out of impatience, I'll order some for fall planting... I really don't think I can go without lol

thanks again everyone!

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 11:29PM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

I really like the way the window frames the plants.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 11:18PM
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junco1102(5b)

Thank you so much.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 11:00PM
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gardenweed_z6a

Catananche caerulea/Cupid's dart. It's quite pretty. I grew it from seed via the winter sowing method but even that couldn't bring it back after Y2. Mine did bloom lovely the second year after being grown from seed but it wasn't long-lived or reliably hardy in my garden. Could be due to soil conditions, moisture or other factors but I don't count on it returning year after year the same as false indigo, coreopsis or lots of other long-lived plants.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 11:00PM
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katiez6(6)

I've had good luck with Sluggo Plus for earwigs - suggested by a local organic nursery. This is the year of the bug in Southern CT. Every time I turn around, another new species is eating something. On the plus side, I am no longer squeamish about insects - I pick them off the plant and squish them with my bare hands. It's a bit like how intimate you become with snot when you have a 2 yr old! TMI??

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 5:58PM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

Gnats!
I went out this evening to do my daily Japanese beetle drowing and the gants were out in full force since it had been raining on and off all day. I now have bites everywhere.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 8:27PM
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sjh53

Thanks for the information! I never heard of aster yellows before. The diseased one is removed; time will tell about the other two. I'm assuming I shouldn't put a new plant in the hole anytime soon....

This post was edited by sjharris53 on Sat, Jul 13, 13 at 16:31

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 4:30PM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

That's quite the perfectly aster yellow'ed plant!

The virus can only live in living plant tissue.... Not in the soil... So you should be good to replant.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 7:54PM
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linlily(z5/6PA)

No competition for sun for either katie's or mine. Both hers and mine are at the front of the border.

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 6:33PM
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aseedisapromise(zone 5 SD)

I think there is just differences in the plants, even from seed. I guess they are like children. I grew several Arizona Apricots from seed, and all are shorter than 12 in. Two are about the same diameter clumps. One died altogether, and one is about 6 in. in diameter. They are planted in a row, so its not like they have different growing conditions. One bloomed earIier, one is blooming now, and one is yet to bloom. I don't fertilize my xeric plants, unless I see significant yellowing. I grew Arizona Sun at my other house, and it did get bigger over time, and it did reseed. The plants didn't last forever, but the seedlings that I had weren't ever really tall, not more than 18 in. They got about an inch of water every month, including rain. Here is AZ Apricot in its second year here:

    Bookmark     July 13, 2013 at 7:21PM
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