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molie(z6 CT)

My Rozanne is in a bed in front of our garden shed where it gets morning sun. It's in front of several clematis that are growing up the front of the shed and behind an arbor with clematis and Blue Moon wisteria. I usually plant taller annuals in front of/behind the Rozanne because it does travel gently through the taller plants.

I would go with colors and plant forms that you like. I've also planted Rozanne with taller perennials like phlox and dianthus. It's a great "mixer."

Molie

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 6:35PM
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maries1120

These are some other perennials I like:
Day lily -happy returns
Blue ice Amsonia
Sedum
Aruncus - dwarf
Coreopsis
Heuchera
Leucanthemum

Any of these work better with Rozanne than others? Thanks.

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 9:35PM
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Thyme2dig NH Zone 5

30" tall sounds about right. It gets about 2' wide or so. I've never had any issues with it coming back here in NH. One of mine has been in for about 8 years. Sometimes an early frost will nip the flowers, but I grow it more for the foliage.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 4:10PM
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echinaceamaniac(7)

Baptisia 'Blueberry Sundae' is a more compact Baptisia. I love Baptisias and Amsonias together. They always bloom together.

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 8:45PM
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funnthsun z7A - Southern VA

Rouge, I'm curious how Havana Blues did for you last year? I've been reading all of the hardy geranium posts lately and everyone is zeroed in on tighter habit, but not the long blooming period like Rozanne. I want both! And no pink!

Wonder if anyone has an update of Blue Sunrise?

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 1:50PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Considering I planted them as small bare root plants they did very well. However I am not convinced how much if any more compact they are than "Rozanne". They did make it through their first winter but it took a while to see that green growth. I will be able better be able to judge their habit in this their second year.

Supposedly "Azure Rush" may be a better behaved "Rozanne" (see link).

Here is a link that might be useful: Azure Rush

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 7:26PM
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terrene(5b MA)

That is very sweet Cearbhaill!

The federal Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 states that it is illegal to:

"pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, attempt to take, capture or kill, possess, offer for sale, sell, . . . etc., any migratory bird, . . . or any part, nest, or egg of any such bird."

So technically it is illegal to disturb their nest. But, sometimes I'm sure that is problematic. What if this bed were a veggie garden, and you needed to grow food there to feed yourself or your family?? And what about all the trees people take down that could contain a nest?

I was working at a commercial property I manage the other day, pruning and clearing vegetation back away from the building. Chop chop chopping away at this Mountain Laurel, pulling out Bittersweet vines, almost done, and I was very surprised to look over and see this!

I am very worried that I've exposed the nest, so I put propped some large branches in the back of the shrub to add cover to the nest. Yesterday I was over at the building and saw the Robin perched on the edge of her nest. Thank goodness she hasn't been abandoned her nest.

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 12:02PM
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molie(z6 CT)

Terrene, congratulations for your great "robin" rescue!

A few weeks ago I found a robin's nest about 3 feet up in a male holly. Sadly, there were feathers on the ground and around the nest ---- was the mother was attacked, I feared?

I left the nest alone for many days but did check on it. Never saw a mother bird or any movement of the eggs. Several days later I found that one of the eggs had been pecked open. The other two were still in their same original spot. I finally removed the nest and put it in a pot on our back deck.

Sad situation. I'm not sure what to do about the eggs themselves.

Molie

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 6:43PM
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wieslaw59

I'm also eating SOME of my words , most of my chrysanthemums survived, and monarda Gardenview Scarlet.

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 1:48PM
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Campanula UK Z8

feh, my words, along with that well-known pudding, humble pie, constitutes the main part of my diet.......

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 3:04PM
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terrene(5b MA)

I love roses, I could have written your post, almost word for word.

Tina, you bumped an interesting thread, but why don't you go build some relationships with your neighbors instead of spamming message boards. (That's a nice way of saying "go fly a kite" which is a nice way of saying something else...)

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 9:57AM
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Marie Tulin(6a Boston MA suburb)

This old thread has wings and time=travels! I cringed when I re-read comments about bad neighbors. Without meaning to, we became the untidy neighbors and received a snide remark from the woman next door who said she wished she "lived on the other side" [of our property.....the pretty side....] I went into her yard and looked at our huge looming woodpile under the bright blue tarp, pots scattered around, piles of brush....and had to gulp.
Our house does not face the street, so our back yard faces her side yard.
We can't afford a long privacy fence now, but I paid a mow and blow crew to clean up and got a brown tarp to replace the the blue one.
I've got a lot of rhodotypus seedlings and some misplaced hick's yews to start a shrubbery border between us....that will help during the seasons we are all outside.
Trying to repair our reputation as the people with the beautiful garden!
idabean

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 10:39AM
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Campanula UK Z8

um, I get bored and curious - a terrible combination. I do have trajectories of plant styles and planting ethics and some years, the dry gravel gardens are more relevant to me than the veggie beds or the late summer borders but could slip into obscurity the following year. As the vast majority of my plants are grown from seed and cuttings, it is a mix of eclectic and ubiquitous - but mostly, plants get changed out fairly frequently because of space and whims. I do make it a rule to grow a couple of plants I have never heard of every year - this year, hermannia stricta and iliamna rivularis.....along with others which I do know, but have never grown before ( campanula sibirica, epilobium angustifolium album, cenolophium denudata).
I don't really care whether a plant is common or not, even if everyone else has it......if I like it and it is suitable, I grow it.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 5:41PM
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ilovemyroses(8 Dallas TX)

I know the excitement of meeting someone who 'likes to garden'...in particular roses! Then, they say they have 20 roses they just put in, and come to find out they are all knockouts, or likewise, they see gardening as masses of annuals from big box stores. Such a bummer!

But I keep looking and have found one, who gave me a few starts of holly hocks she grabbed seeds from in new zealand! and that keeps me looking for more, though, completely satisfied for this to be a solitary sport. We trade interesting plants, and that sure is fun for both of us!

I keep a few common plants, walkers low catmint comes to mind. They are there 'because I like them'. And I suppose, if i liked the golden yellow of 'stella d'oro' I would plant those, but i don't. Nor the style and colors of knockout roses.

So for me, it is more a decision if i like it or not, rather than common or not. But, I tend to NOT like those plants that come in six packs/annuals.

interesting topic.

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 8:45AM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Just a word of caution - you might want to check with neighbors or with your city/town about what kind of maintenance might get done in this ditch. In some areas the local town road maintenance may cut along the drainage ditches or even redig them if they have silted in. You haven't been here during the growing season, and I assume you would want to avoid the heartbreak of having your garden dug up or mowed down if this type of maintenance does get done in your town. In my area mowing happens every year to every three years, and ditching gets done based on how much silting in has happened and whether it is interfering with water movement.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 10:10PM
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Bonnie(Z5)

Thank everyone. I have a lot more choices than I thought.

I was referring to Filipendula rubra. I know it gets big. I was thinking of putting it a bit away from the mailbox. I thought it was so pretty though.

And I don't know if the ditch dries up in the summer. I should probably wait until next year. :-((

nhbabs, I didn't think of that. I'll call the city and ask neighbors.

    Bookmark     May 16, 2013 at 6:19AM
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hilaryc

Thanks everyone, for your suggestions. I finally am close to a decision. I'm thinking of Salvia 'Furman's Red', but would like to also use Shasta Daisy 'Becky' in a few spots. Most websites say that it's long blooming (June - Sept), but I've seen some reviews that say it's not. I really want something light colored to contrast with the red salvia, but it must be long blooming. Can anyone tell me what the true bloom time is? Also, if it's short, can anyone recommend a substitution that is long blooming (and similar size and structure)?
Thanks so much!

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 6:55PM
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thisismelissa(z4 Minnesota)

I keep a bloom schedule and my 'Becky' lasts 4-6 weeks. Early June to Mid/Late July. I'm in zone 4b, Minnesota.

I do not deadhead, cuz I want the seeds. But I suspect if you did deadhead, you might get a second flush.

I've tried other Shastas and their bloom times were shorter.

My own experience is that Shastas give me the best mid summer bloom length.

Could you do a shrub... like maybe a hydrangea? That could give you light colored, long blooms.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 10:41PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

Mondo always looks best in shady/partial shade. When grown in the full sun, it burns, yellows, and generally loses its appeal. As you have discovered.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 9:04PM
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lindaw_cincy(6)

I have a coreopsis that is almost ready to bloom, but I believe it is moonbeam. I think we are in a similar zone. On the other hand, I planted some type of coreopsis in the yard in the front of the landscape two years in a row, and neither one of them made it thru the winter, even the year we had the mild winter. Give it some time, I still have plants that have not emerged. I am hoping they come back.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 6:30PM
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booberry85(5)

I'm thinking Tiger lilies? Other daylilies? Oregano? Sage? Salvias? Echinacea? Lavender?

I do have candytuft, irises, daisies and Egyptian walking onions and the dogs never bother them. The dogs also don't seem bothered by them.

Here's an amazing list of what NOT to plant:

Here is a link that might be useful: Hooper's list of poisonous plants

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 2:06PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

I would fill the area where you can't grow grass with cedar chips rather than gravel....not bark dust, cedar chips. Which repels fleas rather than encourages and isn't slivery.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 4:38PM
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teengardener1888(NY Albany 5a)

I thought i heard they are biennial. They can be aggressive but i encourage them to grow where ever they want. They are one of the 8 wonder of the world. LOL :-)

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 2:56PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

Biennial re-seeders. Weeds for me.

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 4:31PM
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lefleur1

Thanks for posting all the wonderful pictures...it must be so difficult not to be able to be out there yourself!

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 1:58PM
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linnea56(z5 IL)

Oh, I still wanted to know about transplanting them? I have not had much luck with transplanting seedlings of perennials or biennials. I tried some foxgloves and ligularia while at a small size last year and none of them made it. Yet I obtained them in a plant swap, so somebody is doing it right. Do they need to be nursed a long in a pot til bigger? That way I could monitor watering more. Or just left in situ until bigger?

This post was edited by linnea56 on Wed, May 15, 13 at 11:35

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 11:28AM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

They transplant easy when small, give it a try. Over the years you should end up with blooming plants every spring.... not all seeds sprout each year, some are too small to bloom after the first year....

    Bookmark     May 15, 2013 at 1:16PM
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