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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

Just a clarification......perlite DOES assist with drainage. That's why it is a standard feature of many potting soils, including cactus mix. It is an expanded volcanic rock - nothing there to retain water but plenty of texture and porosity to provide aeration.

It is vermiculite one needs to be cautious with, especially in container soils. It does absorb water (to more than 300% of its weight) and once fully saturated, collapses, compromising both drainage and aeration.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 2:10PM
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mistascott(7A VA)

Thanks for clarifying, gardengal48. I had confused the two, apparently. Also explains why I see perlite in cactus mix.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 5:38PM
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Bumblebeez SC Zone 7

Veronica, probably Georgia Blue.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2013 at 4:15PM
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wieslaw59

I can't see the leaves in details, but Omphalodes verna looks very similar, but is 10 times bluer.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 4:42PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

hey!!!!

bog's idea is brilliant ...

get lots of pots .. perhaps from the recycle bin at a nursery .. and some good potting media... pot up the ones you want to save ... put in shade in back .. out of sight ...

planting time is fall .. so target that ...

and just start ripping things out ...

think of it as saving the good.. and destroying the rest .. OVER TIME ...

perhaps you are overwhelmed.. because you are thinking this is a weekend project.. its NOT ....

just start with one section.. work it over.. and move on.. when you have the time ...

and dont save anything you can replace for $5 .... everything is NOT a treasure .. get over it ... lol ...

i can teach you how to use roundup if you wish ....

a hold-over bed.. is not a work of design.. just put plants one foot on center ... and jam them in there .... give over the veggie bed for this summer... etc ... do not try to 'design' a holding bed.. just jam things in .. and save them ...

cull bulbs at the proper time ... most can be saved in onion bags.. after proper drying.. and planted.. again.. in fall ...

the hardest lesson i learned.. when i moved from suburbia to 5 acres .. and got older.. lol .. and had kids to care for .... was that the days of weekend-warrior were over ... it was hard to conceptualize.. that i couldnt do projects in two days like i used to ... now.. if i want to accomplish a goal.. and if it takes all summer.. so be it .... i just plug away .. when time allows ....

good luck

ken

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 8:18AM
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

Believe it or not, plastic grocery bags work great for plant storage. And most of us have a good collection available :-) Just make sure they have a few holes poked in the bottom for drainage. Pop out the plant with as much rootball intact as possible and just transfer into the plastic bag. Place in a semi-sheltered position (part shade) and don't forget to water regularly. I have stored plants to be transferred in this manner for a number of months (and a few upto a year or more) without problems.

As to the time involved to accomplish something like this, I find it is more efficient and successful if it can be accomplished more or less at once. At least the clean out. Planting can be done later. But to stagger it out over an extended period of time gets to be discouraging and tends to overwhelm. Can you plan a few days of vacation time? Or a work party with some gardening friends? Sometimes it is even worth it to hire someone for the day to do the removal and preplanting prep work.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 1:25PM
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dolivo

Thanks, you've sure got a pretty shade garden! The tag says "Garden Phlox -Flame Coral - Phlox Paniculata" Height 12-20", Spacing 24", Sun or partial shade". So if I'm understanding correctly, the tag is telling me something completely different than what you guys are telling me. Obviously it makes more sense to trust you experienced gardeners, but why make tags that are inaccurate? That's slightly frustrating for someone just learning.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 11:50AM
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cearbhaill (zone 6b Eastern Kentucky)

I never feed any plants upon planting- I only feed after I see active new growth. That tells me they have established some new roots and are ok to feed.
And depending on climate don't feed after mid-summer. They need time to slow down before winter hits.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 12:15PM
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ontnative(5b Can/USDA 4)

If you have a somewhat protected nursery area, you could put them there in another month or so. Otherwise, I would pot them up in 4" pots and grow them on for a while before transplanting them to the open garden.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 8:39AM
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dspen(5b/6a)

Thanks, I thought I would move them to a bigger pot first. Wanted to check with the experts!!

Diane

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 8:47AM
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gardenweed_z6a

A non-blooming cultivar of lamb's ear is named 'Helen von Stein' (aka Big Ears) and while it grows slightly larger in circumference, it doesn't self-seed or spread like the species. So far, after three growing seasons, I'm well pleased with its performance and appearance in the full sun perennial garden.

    Bookmark     May 1, 2013 at 10:26AM
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bgaviator(7)

Well I experimented with a container barrier by cutting a Lowes paint bucket in half, about 5-6 inches long. I dug out the dirt, inserted the bucket, and refilled and planted some of the Lambs Ear back. I hope this works. If not, I think I might be ready to move on to the suggested Silver Mound 'Nana' Artemisa.

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 7:28AM
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linnea56(z5 IL)

IâÂÂm in the northwest suburbs of Chicago, in Buffalo Grove. I have about ü acre. Not big, by most standards, but enough for me to handle (and often TOO much). I have mostly perennials, and do annuals for porch planters and to plug in here and there. I am at the point where if I want to plant something new, I have to kill something first.

Gonativegal, I see you are in Cicero. I have a friend who lives there! We often trade plants and give each other advice. He is a retiree with a very small yard, but crammed full.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2013 at 11:49PM
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illinoisdoglover(z5IL)

Hi folks: Glad to see we are keeping this going and finding more Illinois gardeners. Hubby was out to work at 3 a.m. this morning, Monday and he had to scrape his windshield. Is it May???? Hope no one that lives close to me planted any annuals or veggies....better cover them. Now, tomorrow is suppose to be 87. Amazing. My front garden is finally drying out and recovering from the flooding, and we are suppose to have more rain and thunderstorms Thursday thru Saturday. My plants are already scared. Other parts of the gardens that were not subject to all that water actually need some rain. Go figure. Let me see some of your gardens, let's share pictures. Did anyone elses gardens flood?

This post was edited by illinoisdoglover on Tue, May 14, 13 at 1:11

    Bookmark     May 14, 2013 at 12:16AM
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freki(5a)

ken, Lake Ontario (Golden Horshoe). You know the drill... freezing now, mid 20s (70s if you're still using Farenheit) by May. The frost date here was traditionally May 24, but we've been able to plant earlier for the last 5 years. I just don't know how fast these guys start, assuming everything is to their liking. They'll be indoors unless it's over 15 (60 F). They'll winter dormant in a dry pot in my cold cellar.

campanula - my summers are easily hot/sunny enough enough for mediterraneans. IMO UK summers aren't harsh enough for some plants (I lived in Cumbria for a while, where the sheep are mossy :-D )

    Bookmark     March 21, 2013 at 12:34PM
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lindsi(8)

I planted my bulbs about a month ago ( fretfully upside down!) And they're already 4" tall. We've had 85 degree weather down to high 30's in the last month.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2013 at 9:44PM
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MDPicci(7)

Thanks mad_gallica. Huge help. You have no idea how much work you just saved me.Some of them came very recently from a greenhouse, yes, but they've all had several days outside. Is that sufficient?

    Bookmark     May 13, 2013 at 4:38PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

i would ignore the grasses.... does your lawn ever die of frost????

yes.. i know its an overly broad statement .... but if you just cant do it all.. skip such

ken

    Bookmark     May 13, 2013 at 6:20PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

it will pull up easily.. when its dead ...

hope springs eternal .. but be realistic ... lol ...

ken

    Bookmark     May 12, 2013 at 10:00AM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

I find that as long as my dianthus is in a spot with good drainage such as a slightly raised bed and the voles don't get it (unfortunately, it seems to be a favorite) dianthus comes back pretty consistently for me. I have grown a variety of groundcover dianthus for their spring bloom and frosty foliage, but not tried any of the longer blooming taller dianthus.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2013 at 2:22PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

Woody plants are usually referred to as shrubs.

    Bookmark     May 9, 2013 at 6:06PM
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    Bookmark     May 13, 2013 at 11:45AM
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gardenweed_z6a

It's still a bit early to give up on them entirely. Neither my established fountain grass clumps nor feather reed grass are showing signs of new growth thus far but since they're mature plants that have come back reliably the past 5+ years, I have no doubt they'll reappear when they're ready. My Japanese sedge/Carex 'Ice Dance' clumps are thriving just as they have every season since they were planted.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2013 at 11:19AM
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shelli563(zone 6 MA)

Thanks all for the replies. Now I'm feeling better that it's just late to emerge!

    Bookmark     May 8, 2013 at 10:06AM
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DeepShade(6a)

in late july '12 i planted five 'Morning Lights' that were given to me as a gift and i have three more in pots that have yet to find a home. i placed those remaining three in the garage over the winter. only one that i planted is showing any growth. all others still dormant... i hope. i do have three 'Huron Stars' that are thriving, though.

    Bookmark     May 13, 2013 at 1:24AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

And is the white I see from a "Candytuft"? I love this spring flowering plant. It gives shining white in a garden which is mostly brown this time of year

    Bookmark     May 12, 2013 at 9:24AM
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miclino(5)

The white is creeping phlox same as the pink. They are both outstanding every year in the location and long lasting. Planted before the boxwoods were established. Not sure I could get new ones in there now.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2013 at 7:49PM
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wieslaw59

I have several doubles. Rather slow growers, clumpers. Small gems, especially when scattered among blue anemones. One of them may be fertile, as there are some seedlings.

This post was edited by wieslaw59 on Thu, May 9, 13 at 20:02

    Bookmark     May 9, 2013 at 8:00PM
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Campanula UK Z8

absolutely - some of the creamy pale yellows are gorgeous 'Primrose', Elan, Hyde Hall and Randall's White - not so keen on the greens or the variagated foliage but they are really worth seeking out......along with hepaticas, another gorgeous genus.

    Bookmark     May 12, 2013 at 6:47PM
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