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val(6a)

What a wonderful display....just reinforces my wish to have a wide variety of coneflowers in my garden. I wintersowed a few different varieties, and bought some this spring, in addition to the others that I had when I started my backyard garden project (digging up lawn, making alot of new beds!)

JUST BEAUTIFUL!

    Bookmark     June 26, 2015 at 7:27AM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

Thanks all. Katob... nice detective work on the bog and arundo stalks. I will post more photos of the garden..

I have three bogs for carnivorous plants... which during this time of year smells quite bad on a windless day. All the pitcher plants are filled with all sorts of bugs.

For the arundo... every year I cut them down... after getting halfway through just chopping them up for the compost... I think... " I should have done something with those!" ... so this year I made the arch. They become quite brittle though. One strike with the weeder and they shatter. The moon flower vines don't seem to be doing much so far... just sitting there as small sprouts at the base... so my plan to have them over the arch probably won't happen.

    Bookmark     June 26, 2015 at 8:59AM
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dsbirdwell

Thanks all for your responses and advice. On closer inspection I would tend to agree with leaf miner damage as well...I had a slight problem with it last year and looking back at pictures of my columbines it looks more like the classic squiggly line leaf miner patterns. Have trimmed off the affected foliage and removed it, may just let it finish flowering and trim the whole thing to the ground. Was so happy when it came back so strong this year and now devastation lol...oh well, it did flower beautifully

    Bookmark     June 26, 2015 at 7:27AM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

dsbirdwell, you might consider applications of neem oil, beginning early in the season. Neem won't kill the insects, but is very helpful in preventing them from laying their eggs in the first place. Neem is also an anti-feedant.

Be sure to read and follow the instructions when using neem oil, or any product.

    Bookmark     June 26, 2015 at 8:16AM Thanked by dsbirdwell
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Nevermore44 - 6a

did the yard get standing water in it before during similar rains?

I am sure the fabric isn't helping with getting some water to drain.... And I would also think that with the crushed stone under you new path that it would drain away a bit.

There's always rain gardens!!

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 6:30PM
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agardenstateof_mind(USDA 7 NJ)

What several have already said about digging up the plants in fall, removing the weed fabric, and adding soil/amendments as needed ... after correcting the drainage issue if necessary. Did water pool there before? If so, might there be compacted soil or a clay hardpan? You'll have to break through this to improve drainage. Also, since you're adding soil on the other side of the walk, make sure you're not going to be directing water towards your house.

Fall is actually the best time to plant. The air is cooler, the sun's rays weaker, putting less demand on the plants, but the soil is still warm, so encourages root growth.

With very few exceptions, plants (whether annuals, perennials, shrubs, vines, trees ... whatever) should always be planted at the same depth at which they had been growing. Their roots have developed at the proper depth to provide the water, oxygen and nutrients the plant needs. Changing the soil level will, at best, stress the plant, at worst, kill it. (Tomatoes are one notable exception. Since they have an abundance of adventitious buds in their stems that will produce roots, you can bury a goodly portion of the stem when planting, to encourage a larger root system.)

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 7:59PM
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dowlinggram

Maybe that's why the wasp decided on your geraniums. I'd cut open one of those galls and see if there's anything inside

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 3:38PM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

1) It really doesn't look anything like the oak hedgehog gall. They are round and furry.

2) That wasp will not use geraniums as a host, no matter how close the geraniums are to the oak.

3) Looks like a gall from an erineum mite or other mite, but I can't find a picture of said galls on geranium, in particular.

I do think that these are galls, but I must say that I've never seen anything quite like it.

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 4:40PM
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My3dogs (Maine zone 5A)(Maine 5a)

In Maine, I can almost set my watch by their arrival. Usually on the 4th of July, although I noted something nibbling on a rugosa rose last night, I didn't see any sign of the 'do-er'.

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 10:56AM
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Springroz

The devils are out there making lace out of my cherry tree.....I carry my little soapy water container whenever I go out, and flick them in. I have gotten about 15 off of the monardas, 1 or 2 off of the roses.

The butterfly is lovely!!

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 2:28PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

i wouldnt waste time nor money on treating LOV ...

crikey.. you cant kill the stuff if you wanted to ...

any chance you had any hail .. to cause leaf damage ... if so ... treating some later problem... wont help the initial insult ...

if this stuff dies.. from lack of treatment.. i can send you a dump truck full ..

i wouldnt do anything..

ken

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 1:50PM
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sevimo(5/6)

Heh, I am not as concerned that the colony will die, it will probably come back the first spring after a nuclear attack ;) But right now it looks pretty ugly, and it's right at the driveway entrance, so is pretty visible. Not a great expense either as it's only probably ~10sqft. Plus, it's good to know if something more valuable develops the same symptoms.

Don't think we had hail this year, but there was certainly plenty of rain.

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 2:00PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

hey campy ... lin is in chicago.. more attuned to my winter ... we are talking ground freeze ...

late fall summer/fall sowing will get you nothing but spring hatch .. depending on how late ... and that is fine for the two plants asked about ...

cat.. i used to weed ... back in suburbia... on a small lot ...

ken

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 7:55AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

the other trick ... since they need to contact soil .. rather than be spread on top of mulch ...

is to clear a one foot circle ... and so when 20 of them pop up.. in that circle.. odds are.. they will be what you planted ... and the circle will tell you you did plant something there...

they can be moved at the first true leaf or two ... dig a new hole.. pop the whole little plant out with a hand trowel ... insert in new hole ... do it on a cold rainy day .. in spring ... the idea being.. you get the whole tiny root with it.. and it never know you did it ...

you cant wait until its large .. no real sense of humor about that..

ken

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 11:51AM
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peren.all(5a ON Canada)

It is Aegopodium podagraria - Goutweed. Not toxic but extremely invasive.

Queen Anne's Lace would have foliage like that of a carrot top.

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 11:41AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

and a crushed queen anne leaf.. would smell like the carrot it is .....

indians used to call it the white carrot ... i think ...

you do your own research to verify QA is edible ... not based on what lore i think i know ...

ken

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 11:47AM
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ridgetop01 (zone 5b)(z5 CNY)

My only qualm is that all the x arkwrightii pictures I've seen show reddish foliage, and this one's foliage is definitely green, I don't think I've seen any reddish tint.

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 8:32AM
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Kez (Z7 OK)

Yeah, I wondered about that, too. I thought it might be an arkwrightii at first, except the absence of purple leaves doesn't fit. But my daughter has an 'orange gnome' that was pictured in the catalog as having purple-bronze tints to the leaves, but hers has never had much purple in the leaves at all. I believe the purple foliage is mainly in the spring(?). Maybe this year's crazy weather patterns has something to do with it. Or has it had all green foliage in previous years, too? Still, whether arkwrightii or another variety, it surely is a lychnis of some sort.

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 9:33AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

'woody', what is the variety of your dogwood that I have seen when visit...it is smaller and further back in the shadows but just glows in the low light?

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 3:43AM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

rouge - that is the Wolf Eyes dogwood - I thought it was dead this spring but it has leafed out on the top. There is a lot of deadwood that needs pruning out. Since that one is under the shelter of the pines, I thought it was well-protected, but obviously not! It had a fair bit of winterkill last year too, so I wonder if it is a weak tree - or maybe it doesn't like being protected! Maybe I need to try another one in a more open location...

green_go - up there you are obviously not subject to 'the lake effect' :-) But it's surprising that your redbuds did better than ours here - we obvious had a really abnormally cold winter here!

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 7:39AM
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Betty Castille

It's in the 90's here too!

Anyway, I'm still a little confused about spacing plants to achieve the cottage garden look. I've read that you should space plants close together. If I do that, how do I handle the mulching? Carefully? LOL

    Bookmark     June 24, 2015 at 10:12PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

When you plant things, they aren't full size. Look up what width they can get to and plan your spacing from that. As I mentioned above, if you plant too closely with your humidity, you may have disease issues, especially on plants with delicate leaves like coleus, so you will have to decide if you want to chance that or not. Regardless, since the plants aren't full sized when you plant, mulch well right after planting, and then the plants will grow to mostly or entirely cover the mulch. Avoid colored mulch since you don't want it as the feature but to disappear into the background.

    Bookmark     June 25, 2015 at 6:40AM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

I think it might be mugwort... not delphinium :(

If you rub the leaves and it has a spicy smell its probably a definite on mugwort. Rip it out if possible, brush on that stuff if you want, but cutting it off at the bottom won't be enough since it's an aggressive spreader by root.

    Bookmark     June 24, 2015 at 6:28PM
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starsplitter(5a New Eng)

Thanks so much, Katob. I think you have it nailed. I looked up mugwort and your hunch seems sound. I just now read that even the smallest bit of root will be enough for a plant to come forth. Tomorrow I will take a spade and lift up the entire plant combination. I'll try to separate out the good, remove it from the soil, wash and replant it. Then I' toss the mugwort and soil into the trash bin. I don't need another pesky invasive weed in my gardens.

    Bookmark     June 24, 2015 at 6:56PM
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Thyme2dig NH Zone 5

Katob, I'm sorry, I meant to mention that I put ONE stake near a clump and tied the biggest stem to it. Then I tied other stems from the clump to the big stem, etc.....so within one delphinium clump stalks are tied to each other using either one bamboo stake or one spiral stake. Even the stalks tied further away still held up ok in heavy rains.

    Bookmark     June 23, 2015 at 5:03PM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

Thyme- do you ever thin the clumps? I suppose I could justify staking if there were fewer bloom stalks to stake.

I came across this photo from last year. There are so many great garden photos on gardenweb I sometimes feel like I should stand up for the brown thumbs out there!

    Bookmark     June 24, 2015 at 6:38PM
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dowlinggram

It looks like a fungal infection. I had one much the same attack my mini rose. I had some sulpher based fungicide and sprinkled it with that and it did the trick. I'd take as much of the infected leaves off as you can. Do not leave them laying on the ground. Put them in the garbage. When you water don't wet the plant. Water the ground around it. A plant fungus will spread with water carrying the spores from leaf to leaf

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Campanula UK Z8

Yep, even I can do it...and I have been seriously technically challenged.

1 Like    Bookmark     June 24, 2015 at 7:32AM
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lincann

Really thinking it's a internet speed issue. just need to pick and choose my photo sending times from now on. Thanks all !

    Bookmark     June 24, 2015 at 3:20PM
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