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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I'm in z6 and in the past I lost a few Buddleia, but I've kept others now for over 7 years. I never prune hard except in spring. I do however deadhead constantly and it keeps mine blooming right up until frost.

    Bookmark     July 21, 2012 at 5:12PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

in livonia.. i learned to consider these short lived plants ... living and prospering only until mother nature took them away ... one bad winter..

relish it while you can ... in whatever form it is in.. and what they said as to pruning ... the only one that got as big as you described.. didnt come back the next spring ... who knows if it was me or winter.. that did it.. for all i know.. i pruned it down that fall prior. . lol ...

ken

    Bookmark     July 21, 2012 at 6:15PM
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WendyB(5A/MA)

You will be amazed that they get that spring fresh look again in August. However, if the season is long enough, they do have the potential to get ratty again, but at least it will really be the end of the season by then.

I do hold back on severely cutting back the rebloomers - Happy Returns and Rosy Returns, but I do still cut them back a good amount.

    Bookmark     July 21, 2012 at 11:47AM
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Ruth_MI(z5MI)

I laughed when I read this post title, because my daylilies looked especially ratty this year. I'm sure it's the combination of the heat and the sprinkler system not working at the moment. Tuesday or Wednesday I couldn't take it any longer, and gave them all a "pony-tail" cut to about eight inches. I have lots of rosy returns and they do rebloom, so I didn't want to cut them any shorter.

    Bookmark     July 21, 2012 at 12:23PM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

After midnight... Thats of the best looking green envy plants I have ever seen. Down in the heat they fade quickly to a muted purple. Nice!

    Bookmark     July 21, 2012 at 9:06AM
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aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada

Nevermore, I've had my "Green Envy" for four years and it's still in my holding area for new plants, this bed gets morning sun and by 3:30 it's in the shade. Since I've read so many have had trouble with the color fading I've left it where it is. Our summer temps hang in the mid 70's most years, when we by chance hit the 80's or rarely a 90 I'm hiding in the house whining. I'll take rain (we have dull, wet, soggy springs) over high temps any day.

Annette

    Bookmark     July 21, 2012 at 10:22AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Here is one of our 4 o'clocks from this summer 2012. It was planted from seed this past spring. It is 3 feet wide by 2.5 feet tall. It is the largest one I have grown.

    Bookmark     July 21, 2012 at 6:20AM
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katob Z6ish, NE Pa

nice picture, I really like that color. I got tired of four o'clocks and stopped growing them, but might have to try again!

Actualy I did try a yellow leaved strain and a night blooming kind this year, but planted seeds so late they're still on the small size.

    Bookmark     July 21, 2012 at 8:45AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

how important is drainage to euphorbia

===>>> i cant answer that.. except in the converse ...

i cant recall the name of my yellow and green standard ...

on mineral sand.. with no water.. or anything .. for 8 years ... in this miserable MI summer ... its nearly an invasive weed in my garden .... self seeding.. and running across a 50 foot bed .. only tamed with roundup ...

sooo.. i can tell you it likes drainage.

and benign neglect.. apparently..

lol

ken

    Bookmark     July 20, 2012 at 5:46PM
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miclino(5)

So I can nurture it into being well behaved :)

Anyone tried Eupatorium pink frost yet?

    Bookmark     July 21, 2012 at 12:05AM
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Campanula UK Z8

aha, the Chelsea Chop - yep, I do this with asters and helenium as well as phlox - works a treat.

    Bookmark     July 20, 2012 at 6:05PM
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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

I do not pinch back my phlox because the deer do a thorough job of it. This year one area his been eaten at least twice and are very short but they are still setting blooms.

    Bookmark     July 20, 2012 at 10:44PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

Check and see if it has a square stem. It looks like a member of the Lamiaceae family. Al

    Bookmark     July 20, 2012 at 9:49AM
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flora_uk(SW UK 8/9)

I'd go with Lobelia, too.

    Bookmark     July 20, 2012 at 4:38PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

There is no way that a Jackmanii Clematis changed to Miss Bateman.

The shape of the blooms and the leaves are totally different.

Simply impossible.

The one on the right is not Jackmanii either.

There could have been blooming Jackmaniis in the pots but to have two with two planted in the pot with the same one dying off is a very slim chance....

    Bookmark     July 19, 2012 at 7:22PM
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

The explanation for the echinacea is not hard to understand. The recent colored hybrids all have E. purpurea in their parentage, together with several other native species. And it's been pretty well-established that many of these are not necessarily stable hybrids and various cultivars have experienced all manner of uncommon or unnatural growth. The plant just reverted. Reversion from hybrid to one of the parent species is not an uncommon occurrence in horticulture.

    Bookmark     July 20, 2012 at 1:44PM
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mscheese1

Mine never flopped and it was very lovely. It was the only Stokes I've ever had, and from its habit I never would have thought they tended to flop - it was THAT upright! Unfortunately, I think I had it in a place of too much moisture in spring, and it only lasted 2 years. Very long blooming...as dry as it's been here I've been thinking about trying it again...

    Bookmark     July 19, 2012 at 8:03PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

I prefer Klaus Jelitto, the blooms are larger and I very much like the color. It doesn't get floppy for me but admittedly the foliage isn't front of the border foliage...

    Bookmark     July 20, 2012 at 6:41AM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

Nice pictures, Gazania

    Bookmark     July 19, 2012 at 7:23PM
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david883(5/6)

THANK YOU EVERYONE! Gazania... that is beautiful! The one I have in front never looked like your first picture of purple and green (though now I wish it would... it looks amazing!) but it did go through the green/yellow, to the darker reds, burnt oranges and browns, etc. Actually the picture I posted is probably from April or May. The one in my back yard looked like your second picture and then the yellow faded to all green. Thank you all so much! And love the method to remembering the name lol... I'll need it!

    Bookmark     July 20, 2012 at 5:23AM
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Campanula UK Z8

they will bloom eventually, and when yours do, they will be magnificent. It sometimes happens that they just don't make enough growth during their flowering year, putting all their energy into making a massive rosette of leaves - in which case, they will bloom the following year (when they will be enormous). Generally, I sow biennials during the early part of summer so they have a few months to get to a decent size before their first winter - they bloom the following summer.

    Bookmark     July 18, 2012 at 4:49PM
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ladyrose65

Thank You Campanula! I am really anxious to see them bloom. I've only seen them in pictures.

    Bookmark     July 19, 2012 at 8:34PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

I've had Sentimental Blue for many, many years and have many, many established clumps of them (makes a beautiful, tidy edger). A few additional another flower heads will pop up here and there post dead-heading, but they are not really considered re-bloomers (at least not reliably). Once the main flush is done, that's pretty much it for the most part, I view any additional flowering as a bonus :0)

    Bookmark     July 1, 2010 at 3:04PM
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angeli2

When I first bought mine the nursery employee told me that they r picky after transplant and will bloom better the following year (which they did). I think you just have to have patience, in the following years just continue to dead head spent blooms. Mine get prettier every year and continue to bloom when deadheaded.

    Bookmark     July 19, 2012 at 6:55PM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

That link shows fairly good shots of the basic differences.

Green Petals = Aster Yellows

Pine coning on the bloom's cone typically means mites (without green petals)

    Bookmark     July 19, 2012 at 2:59PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

I believe it probably is Silene armeria unless of course there is another similar Silene species I'm not aware of.

This was something my grandmother grew. Because she allowed everything to self sow wherever they wanted to, she had these by the thousands. To say they are prolific is an understatement.

I had them in my garden for a few years and then decided I didn't like the hot pink flowers. I pulled up every seedling I found, but they kept appearing for years afterwards. The seed heads are like vases. When they are dry, just tip them over and seeds spill out like crazy.

Kevin

    Bookmark     July 18, 2012 at 11:39AM
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eclecticcottage(6b wny)

I bought the same flower as a seed under the name "Catchfly". I've also seen it called None-So-Pretty. Mine are still flowering at the moment, they were sown this spring.

    Bookmark     July 19, 2012 at 1:23PM
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ditas

Am I gonna lose all my P-Cones this year & have to star over? I suppose I can't even save seeds huh? Do I dig to destroy or can I cut to the ground & use round-up on the left cut stems?

As I mentioned in the other thread (w/ the same question) ~ we here are plagued w/ another year of Jap Beetles & although they don't particularly eat P-Cone tops I've found a few on them in transit to their favorite rose blooms.

Appreciate your experience & thoughts!!! TIA

    Bookmark     July 19, 2012 at 9:54AM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

I suppose you could use roundup.. but i would pull the whole plant to make sure you get everything.

The virus is transferred via leaf hoppers... so it's just luck in regards to how far it may have spread to your other coneflowers (rudbeckia or any other asteraceas). I would just keep any eye on the others.

I am seeing asters yellow at every single Lowes and HD in my area with their coneflowers. Even true garden nurseries have plants with it. It is everywhere.. and will only spread more with them selling these plants on.

    Bookmark     July 19, 2012 at 12:10PM
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