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susanzone5(z5NY)

Have you watered them? They will wilt in this heat and drought. If they have been watered, it just might be the high temperatures. If they wilt during the day and look fine at night, it's the heat.

Look under the clump of flowers. If there is a tunnel under it, you may have rodents that eat the roots.

It could also be some kind of disease. You can dig up the plant parts that are not infected and plant them somewhere else. Throw the diseased parts in the trash.

Good luck!

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 5:51PM
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flora_uk(SW UK 8/9)

Have you identified which plant they are? 'Daisy' doesn't really tell us much. Different daisy-type flowers need different conditions so an accurate id would help people to help you. Post a picture here or on the Name That Plant Forum if you can.

    Bookmark     July 18, 2012 at 4:50AM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I planted Raspberry Wine for the first time in late spring. It has done very well and bloomed. I was just starting to enjoy it and half of it seemed to get knocked over by the sprinkler. Not positive that was the reason, but I noticed it after it had the sprinkler on the bed. Some of the stems were bent in half and would not come up again, so I cut back all those that bent over. Too bad it was just filling in the spot I wanted it for. But, I do like the flower color and size and the plant had healthy looking foliage. There is such a lot of summer and fall still to come, that I am expecting to see new growth at some point. Wednesday, rain is forecast and that is much needed for everything. I expect that next year will be even better.

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 6:28PM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

I've been growing 'Raspberry Wine' since 2005. The only significant problem I've ever encountered was one year my entire stand was decimated by the horsemint moth. (Apparently, everyone in the state had the same problem). Other than that, I've had no real issues. I have found that the bloom period is significantly longer if the plants are kept moist, but they will tolerate drought. I've never had a mildew problem and it's a pretty thick stand at this point.

Here it is, last July:

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 11:45PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Yes, and it started growing and flowering very quickly after planting. I don't find it as upright as I would like, but the flowers are pretty and some are even double. We have barely had rain and I try to water the base of the plants in the bed, and it was only twice I used a sprinkler when I didn't have time and they flopped some. I have to wonder how they would look if it rained a lot this year. More flopping? It is it's first year, and I wait to decide whether I love them or not until after a plant is established. So the jury is still out.

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 10:13PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

prairiemoon2, I know that you intend to give it another year at least but depending on the characteristics you want for a Heliopsis right now I highly recommend 'Tuscan Sun'. Earlier this spring I was looking for a recommendation for a sunflower which is floriferous through the summer but (much) less tall than many other sunflower plants. Someone on GW mentioned this particular Heliopsis. And as I have already written in other threads and will likely write again when the summer is over TS is a bloom machine which even in its first year in a very full sun location has not needed much supplemental water. So *thus far* it is my favourite new plant in my garden (I have planted *5* of them as part of a border).

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 10:25PM
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pippi21(Z7 Silver Spring, Md.)

Mine look the same and cutting them back next week is on my list. I think it has something to do with 90-107 degrees temps for 2 weeks..They were so beautiful last year and before the storm on 6/29, they were looking nice and healthy.
I didn't think the storm hit that bed, it did flatten larkspurs and other coneflowers in another bed. I can't tell if there is mildew or not.

    Bookmark     July 14, 2012 at 6:57PM
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susanzone5(z5NY)

Those plants need water. They are shallow rooted.

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 6:05PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

If the photo you posted is representative of your problem - you don't have one.

Yes, you started this garden during the worst possible time of the year. Combine that with the drought and heat and yes, you're going to have problems. But I'm sure you realize that.

I would say from what I see, this plants reaction is simply do to stress. Get it through this year, allow it to establish a good root system and you'll probably be in better shape next year.

Kevin

    Bookmark     July 15, 2012 at 10:25AM
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susanzone5(z5NY)

I would bet it's the rabbit spray.

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 6:01PM
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mistascott(7A VA)

Double Gem Tangerine appears to be Papaver rupifragum (Spanish poppy) which may not go dormant --several listings say it doesn't even in high heat/humidity, though it might if we get triple-digit hear for an extended period.

I would wait and see if it does in fact go dormant. If it does, a nice tropical plant like a sun coleus should fill the gap until fall when the poppy comes back.

    Bookmark     July 16, 2012 at 12:53PM
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pippi21(Z7 Silver Spring, Md.)

I wintersowed "Mrs. Bradshaw" geum which bloomed this Spring and were beautiful. It seemd mine lasted a few weeks, because it was planted beside of "Brilliant" oriental poppy which was almost the same color and what a beautiful sight. I will have to pay more attention to how long a new plant blooms, etc.
I would say it's stems appeared to grow outward, like whimsical and I don't know if that is right word to use. When they finished blooming, I cut it back to its basal plant but it is putting out new leaves in that area. Since it was my first experience with this plant, I really did not know what to expect. Everything in gardening is trial and error and that was one of my experiments I guess. Can you tell I'm an impatient gardener? Come the Fall, I may dig that plant up and move it to a different location.

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 5:20PM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

Stunning photos. Your plants are gorgeous!

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 10:45AM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

Stunning photos. Your plants are gorgeous!

    Bookmark     July 17, 2012 at 10:46AM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

But they don't like vibration and a lawn mower is likely to get them very angry. Also, they get much more agressive as the fall comes on.

    Bookmark     July 16, 2012 at 6:07AM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Meat tenderizer has an enzyme from papaya in it that helps break down the protein that causes the pain in stings. A paste made meat tenderized with a few drops of water applied right away will help reduce the severity of a sting.

We had several nests last year, but have not discovered any so far this year. One was in the bed next to the main house door, but no one was stung. DH did find several with the mower. Hopefully this year there won't be the same problem.

    Bookmark     July 16, 2012 at 11:18PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Put grow-through grids in place when new growth is emerging in the spring - the foliage will hide the grids, and they do a great job at supporting :0)

Here is a link that might be useful: Like these - but I'm you can find locally at hardware stores, nurseries, etc.

    Bookmark     July 16, 2012 at 5:23PM
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tepelus(6a SW MI)

I have some plants that are floppers that I think I may have to use those grids on next year, if I remember to get some before they grow too tall, and flop!

Karen

    Bookmark     July 16, 2012 at 6:47PM
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Pat z6 MI

I have a low-growing chartreuse (sp) type that I let spread everywhere because of the chartreuse ground-cover look. I throw the deadheads everywhere so they spread and do they ever. I'm also thinking that might be the feverfew that Ken pulled out as I am quite sure I gifted him with a bunch of mine about 200 years ago. Oh well. Sure makes a nice backdrop for almost any hosta, especially the blues.
Pat

    Bookmark     July 15, 2012 at 10:01AM
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linnea56(z5 IL)

Ooh, I like that Virgo! I got a regular (I think) feverfew in a swap last year. I have been quite charmed by it. I deadheaded it already, though. It's growing where I have trouble with lot of things though: a place that is too hot and dry and too far from the hose to get over and water very often. If it spreads there, I'll be happy. I'll have to hope it blooms again, though, so I can get some seeds.

    Bookmark     July 16, 2012 at 2:42PM
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mistascott(7A VA)

Part of my confusion on this is that growers often label p. subulata as "creeping phlox" whereas plant guides tend to refer to the shade-tolerant woodland phlox p. stolonifera as "creeping phlox" and p. subulata as "moss phlox" or "moss pinks." This is why I try to stick to the Latin because it sure does get confusing in a hurry!

    Bookmark     July 16, 2012 at 1:05PM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

Wow. I never heard "moss pinks" before, so I just googled it. Check this out. They've got my local Wendy's beat by a mile, lol!

Here is a link that might be useful: Shibazakura (Moss Pink) Hill

    Bookmark     July 16, 2012 at 2:37PM
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eclecticcottage(6b wny)

Pretty much anything...lol.

I have one more bed that's pretty much empty so...

I do have to be choosy for that one though, very dry, full sun, no shelter from wind.

I'm about done for the year anyway, because that bed needs to actually be created, as it's grass at the moment. I did snag up some Velvet Buzz Butterfly bushes at $8 and some Lo and Behold Blue Chips at $7 for it. I'll be able to avoid those when tilling it to prep it for planting and seeding next spring.

I do still have a hard time passing up coneflower and hosta from my "list" (not that I've found any so I'm ok there, will probably have to get those online). Also Rudbeckia...I am LOVING my new Cherry Brandy and Cherokee Sunsets, and my Denver Daisy and Moreno too. The worst for me are Butterfly Bushes, especially with the newer "dwarfs" out. I REALLY love color on the Velvets.

    Bookmark     July 15, 2012 at 10:33PM
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david883(5/6)

denninmi, I'm with you... I'm holding off even going in nurseries anymore until fall. Ground is too hard here now to do anything worth while, too hot and humid out and, because of the heat, everything ends up looking ratty any way. I just bought a handful of new annuals for a planter on my patio (after previous annuals died)... they're looking sad already. I'm done until fall!

    Bookmark     July 16, 2012 at 6:13AM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

With a large patch you probably already have several stems that have layered themselves and may be dug up and started as new plants. If you pot these up now you could take out your old plants completely redo the bed with compost and transplant your saved new plants into the ground. This would give you a new bed with hardly any loss of bloom time. Al

    Bookmark     July 15, 2012 at 8:40AM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

lacevail, some of the plants there have been there close to nine years old so those are finally getting divided this fall. Others are newer and are blooming heavily.

caistoga, normally when I divide a plant, I discard the center as its gotten woody. I assume that not really the case with dianthus. I assume just pull apart sections and replant?

    Bookmark     July 15, 2012 at 7:32PM
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juliebw(z5 NY)

I really did hope for a comparison between the two varigated plants, H. Starburst and Lorraine Sunshine.

    Bookmark     July 15, 2012 at 7:24PM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

I had a severe aphid problem on my Helianthus one year, but fortunately, that was the only year that happened. It was extremely dry and I think that contributed.

    Bookmark     July 15, 2012 at 7:27PM
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jodikay

Hi splitrock, yep, i have deer and they did not nibble on Hoary Vervain. It is a native plant so you likely need to find a garden center that specializes in native plants. It is doing exceptionally well this year due to extra watering, which is not something i normally do. but my hubby is watering his sod...and my garden is in 'his way'.

Jodi

    Bookmark     July 11, 2012 at 7:56AM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

The foliage of S.B.B. always looked like cr*p - deformed, funky mess. How that plant every got plant of the year is beyond me.

If you want veronica, hunt down "Lavender Charm". It is a terrific cultivar. The light purple flower spikes are long and graceful - just a beautiful sight - and the foliage is not unattractive. It can get mildew-y like any other veronica, but location in full sun with good air circulation should help alleviate that problem. :0)

    Bookmark     July 15, 2012 at 7:09PM
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