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mistascott(7A VA)

You will find that experience will dictate which plants respond well to deadheading and which do not. For example, my Shasta daisies ('Silver Princess') showed no signs of producing new flowers at the lateral leaf nodes but was producing tons of basal foliage with buds, so I went ahead and cut down to the basal foliage.

Just because a plant is on the list doesn't mean your particular plant will respond -- just that those species tend to benefit from deadheading. If anything, there is an aesthetic benefit. DiSabato-Aust writes that you may improve the longevity of perennials that tend to flower themselves to death (Shasta Daisies, Gaillardias) by allowing basal foliage to develop at the expense of current growth.

    Bookmark     July 7, 2012 at 2:55PM
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raee_gw

Thanks for all the replies....and the good links!

    Bookmark     July 10, 2012 at 11:26AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

at link.. 4th down .. the blurb says:

If you see split stems this is probably due to drying out followed by watering.

i always thought.. they were just growing faster than they could cope ... and considered it cosmetic..

and the solution to that problem.. is to quit sticking your head inside the plant.. and enjoy it from a little more distance.. other than to whiff the scent.. lol

nothing to worry about.. IMHO ...

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark     July 10, 2012 at 9:04AM
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grandma_gardener_02 PA Z6

I would enjoy it more now even from a distance if the yellow leaves weren't so high up the stems that they are making the plants rather unsightly [although they are flowering nicely]. Guess I'll just keep spraying with fungicide once a week. Unless you have other suggestions.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2012 at 10:39AM
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grandma_gardener_02 PA Z6

Thanks all. The idea of a different cultivar is probably the best answer.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2012 at 6:56AM
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adona6ct(Zone 6 CT)

New growth on boxwoods will also appear lighter and be softer than the hardened off "old growth". If you've fertilized that corner more than the rest or shaped it by pruning you could have promoted new growth.

I have a row of twenty two 'Green Velvet' boxwoods and there can be differences in the appearances of different sections depending upon how I've pruned that spring or if I've fertilized surrounding plants. I suppose even providing supplemental water to one area could cause a variation in appearance.

Do you think that might be what's going on?

If not, I also subscribe to the different variety theory.

Pretty hedge and planting area!

Adona

    Bookmark     July 10, 2012 at 8:45AM
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Pat z6 MI

This iris thing just kills me. There is a guy down the street from me who has his irises planted SO DEEP that I go nuts every time I walk by. But GUESS WHAT...... he has the biggest, most beautiful iris blooms I have ever seen every single year. And mine are planted properly on top of the soil (practically speaking) and I get nothing. He even adds compost to those irises every frigging spring. I can't stand it.

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 4:03PM
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cecily(7 VA)

Some areas have borers, some don't. If you're lucky enough to live in an area without iris borers, your iris won't get borers regardless of when you trim the foliage or how deeply you plant the rhizomes. My soil is heavy clay. If I buried iris rhizomes, they would absolutely rot in winter. Since our winters are wet, I remove the foliage in autumn along with any fallen leaves that have blown into the beds. Still, I get a couple of borers each year.

Patann, I wonder if you have sandy soil. In sandy soil, fertilizing iris with compost or another organic once a year would be a good idea.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2012 at 6:50AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

google???

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 2:09PM
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toad_ca(z7b Bellingham, WA)

Thanks Ken adrian; I did try that. I was just wondering if anyone knew of an especially good book, article, or link.

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 4:05PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Third.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2012 at 10:19PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

Forth though some rudbeckias have similar foliage as well.

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 2:52PM
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miclino(5)

It's a new bed with good soil and compost. It's raised but gets watered from sprinklers 3 times a week. I have another plant nearby that gets more sun and less water and is only half as big but blooming well

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 12:43PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Very nice!

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 1:41PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Yup. I bought it. I planted it. I watched it die. It seemed like very fundamental hardiness issues, though it did take a couple of years. Just after the first winter, it never seemed to make it back to where it started out.

    Bookmark     July 7, 2012 at 9:27PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Thanks very much Mindy. I love such a strong recommendation.

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 1:36PM
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pippi21(Z7 Silver Spring, Md.)

I saw it at my favorite garden center and it looks similar to black eye susans but is large flowers..I have the double sun-gold rudbeckia..that I rec'd the seeds in the Wintersowing swap one year and it has double layers of petals on top of each other and large brown eye..It has done so well and I would love to find some more like it. The Tiger's eye were smaller than the one I have. I definately will be saving the seeds from it. When it first started putting out buds, Bambi had a midnight snack and I thought I'd be doomed for flowers but it rebounded and it has lots of flowers and it has been a favorite perennial this year with the exception of my daylilies that I just planted Sept. 2011 that I rec'd at plant swap.

Rudbeckia's will last a long time, and can tolerate drought conditions..easy to grow.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2012 at 8:05PM
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goblugal(7)

Tiger Eye is definitely an annual in zone 6. It is also an F1 hybrids, so seed collected from them will not be true. It is a PHENOMENAL Rudbeckia hirta

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 12:29PM
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mistascott(7A VA)

miclino: They bloom for a long period without deadheading so it isn't essential, but deadheading can tidy them up, improve the rebloom somewhat, and produce larger lateral flowerheads. The seedheads are often food sources for birds during winter, so I leave some for them but not too many because Echinacea reseed prolifically.

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 10:07AM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Dead flowers are just ugly, why leave any? (Unless you are after seeds, of course.)

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 10:11AM
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denninmi(8a)

Yes, you can start them now from seed, anytime between now and about early Sept. I personally would say morning sun and afternoon shade to avoid the soil baking on hot days and drying out too much, but I'm not home on the weekdays to tend to them. Pots/trays/cell packs all would work.

As far as coming true to seed, hard to say. Genetics is always a mystery to me. Many things come close to the parent, in my experience, not necessarily exactly the same but similar. Every once in a while, something is radically different in some way, but that has been the rare exception in my experience.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2012 at 4:38PM
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lennon2(6b - Providence, RI)

Thank you for the reassurance, denninmi. I'll give them a shot.

    Bookmark     July 9, 2012 at 12:02AM
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miclino(5)

Planted some first year plants and flowering now. Too early to tell though

    Bookmark     July 2, 2012 at 9:48PM
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miclino(5)

tiny and some blooms. Not the greatest picture but this was from a tiny 3 inch pot sent to me in spring.


By miclino at 2012-07-08

    Bookmark     July 8, 2012 at 11:12PM
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mistascott(7A VA)

I am a sucker for the purple (or blue to some)/yellow-orange combo as well, so platycodon grandiflorus (balloon flower) makes a nice combo. I also like the combo of bee balm with heliopsis. Caryopteris, Sea Holly (eryngium), Joe Pye Weed(eupatorium maculatum), and Jupiter's Beard (centranthus ruber) would all look nice with 'Summer Sun.'

There are dwarf cultivars of most of the companion plants mentioned above so you can easily find something that will work in front of 'Summer Sun.' Good luck!

    Bookmark     July 8, 2012 at 1:27PM
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debbiecz3(z3MB)

I have summer sun with blue salvia on one side and orange lilies and red orange daylilies on the other side. In front is silver lambs ears which I think looks nice together as well.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2012 at 5:49PM
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jodikay

Its too funny, I thought the same thing last nite that it got down right chilly. Luckily we got about 1/2" rain last nite so it was pretty easy to pull weeds today. It actually felt like a perfect july day! and I was a happy gardener :-)

Jodi

    Bookmark     July 7, 2012 at 9:15PM
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cearbhaill (zone 6b Eastern Kentucky)

The cool front is supposed to be on its way to me and it can't get here soon enough- I need rain like I have NEVER needed it before.
I just hope it doesn't bring the heavy winds with it.
I have four giant oaks down already that it has been too hot to deal with.

    Bookmark     July 8, 2012 at 1:58PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

review the post.. that is 5 below yours.. at the link below

make your decision.. based on your ability as to aftercare, as i discussed in that post

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark     July 7, 2012 at 6:45PM
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tazdevyl1(z6 NJ)

I guess I will do it at some point tomorrow. No problem with aftercare. Im out there every day watering, begging for a storm. LOL

    Bookmark     July 7, 2012 at 8:50PM
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