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hunt4carl

Kevin:

RE: "I should add more. I mean to every year. But I don't." Same problem
I always had, but here's my solution.

Right now, while the bulb season is still fresh in my mind, I go online
to my favorite supplier (see below) and RESERVE all my bulbs. . .this way
you're guaranteed they won't be out of things you want, IF you remember to order in the Fall - and they do NOT charge your card until they actually ship
the order at the proper planting ltime. It's worked like a charm the last two
years for me. . .give it a try!

Carl

Here is a link that might be useful: John Scheepers, Inc.

    Bookmark     June 15, 2012 at 10:53PM
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Campanula UK Z8

ah clems - well I have had them (many) and finally, I am just fed up with the fragile dead-looking stems which must not be cut back (all pruning group2), am fed upwith either rampant bindweed like behaviour (and the horrible untangling of a Polish Spirit for example) at the end of the year. I have been known to lose my rag and go for the vicious pulling method but frequently end up dragging my roses off the wall too. Then there are C.montanas - eat a church in 2 weeks. The ongoing attempt with smaller integrifolias (to scramble gently through the perennials - they don't, they all rush in the same direction and it is always in the hardest place to get to. For a while, I thought viticellas were going to be my saviour, I dunno, I just got bored really, They fade, they get wilt, they are stingy bloomers (texensis). Anyway, I am down to just a couple - a rampant V.purpurea plena elegans which scrambles through New Dawn - I definately do the brutal tugging and shearing...but I do it with both of them or ND would take over my minute garden. Also, I have 1 really garish Fireworks (my daughter gave it me) which is exiled to the lurid corner and does sterling duty on a chainlink so in an ugliness contest between galvanised wire or dead wood, the dead wood becomes pleasantly rustic (as opposed to industrial nihilist style (my allotment looks out on a factory and a building site)
I guess it is clear that I have plant obsessions, regardless of their utility or suitability for my climate or conditions - it has taken me YEARS to break this habit although all that has changed is having a bit more nous about what is likely to work, given the limitations on soil, climate, space and time - the obsessions still remain....in fact, I feel a post coming on about my latest..... (sometimes these things are very fleeting (dieramas, geums), sometimes last for years(tulips, amazingly, they have turned about to be something which loves my crappy sandy soil, dry east anglian winds), sometimes come and go (roses) So many plants, so many epic fails!

    Bookmark     June 16, 2012 at 4:37PM
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lam702

Chipmunks are digging in my veggie garden, and have eaten up some of the seed I planted. I have it fenced in (6 ft chain link) but of course they can go right through the fence space. I didn't mind sharing a few seeds with them, they are so cute but I am concerned they might eat my beans and eat holes in my peppers and tomatoes to get at the seeds. Can we live in peace, or do I have to find some way to get them out of there? Whenever possible, I try to coexist peacefully (except with the woodchucks)

    Bookmark     June 16, 2012 at 4:05PM
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jayco(5b NY)

We also have many chipmunks and they can get into our vegetable garden. They generally do little damage, except they will eat low hanging tomatoes. I have not yet figured out a great way to keep this from happening. Probably putting netting around each plant would work. Let us know if you figure out something.

    Bookmark     June 16, 2012 at 4:21PM
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terrene(5b MA)

It's good to be cautious, carrieb - I've never seen so much as a seedling here, but have heard it's invasive in warmer zones!

    Bookmark     June 16, 2012 at 12:31AM
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mistascott(7A VA)

Monkshood -- gives you the color, though the bloom doesn't come until late in the season. Super poisonous plant though, so be careful if you have kids and/or pets.

Foxgloves -- maybe too much sun but they have plenty of height.

Heliopsis -- sunflowers, will be plenty tall.

Hollyhocks -- plenty of height but biennial.

Delphinium -- can give you a nice blue/purple and some height.

Lilium

Lupines

Verbascum -- plenty of color options.

Filipendula -- probably the tallest of them all. Sort of like 6' tall astilbe.

Monarda -- 5' height, attractive flowers, loves sun.

    Bookmark     June 16, 2012 at 12:56AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

no.. its not too late.. if the are ONLY budded ...

trace down the stem ... and where a leaf attaches to the stem.. you will see tiny buds.. real tiny ...

cut all the way back.. until .. three to 5 are left on the plant ... and i will guess ... that will make them 3 to 5 inches tall .. it will be severe ... [and do a different number on each plant.. experiment]

in another month.. do the same thing.. NOT ALL THE WAY BACK ... but to a few buds on the new growth only ...

and do the same thing in august ...

so you will trigger 3 to 5 new stems.. and on the second cut.. will encourage that bunch to add 3 to 5 new stems on each stem.. now having up to 25 .. and then if you do it again.. over 100 .. and that is how you generate that big ball of mum ... [the math gets a little fuzzy there .. lol but i am sure you get the idea]

then after the august pinch ... leave them be.. to rebud.. and bloom in sept/oct ... they will NOT be on the same schedule.. as when bigboxstore offers them ..

wait until somebody confirms such ... and i am presuming. they are still buds.. rather than already open ...

a pic would sure help ...

or.. the easy way.. just enjoy the show.. and mark the calender for next year ... in Mi.. i seem to recall doing it once in june/july/ and august..

like many things this spring.. these have bolted.. and are way ahead of schedule..

ken

PS: mums root INCREDIBLY EASILY ... so stick the cuttings.. sans buds 4 inch cuttings].. into damp media.. and they will probably root in a week .. and those might even bloom by fall .. if you can nurse them thru the heat of summer as new rootings ...

    Bookmark     June 15, 2012 at 8:42AM
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btalarczyk(5b-6)

Great advice! Thanks! I'll snap a picture and post it but yes, they are still really small unopened flower buds. No cracked collars yet.

    Bookmark     June 15, 2012 at 4:55PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

why is that HUGE plant.. in that tiny pot???

and notice that ALL the newer leaves are not affected ...

plant it .. even if you have to move it in fall to a permanent place ... you are torturing the heck out of it .. and in stressing it so.. it becomes attack-able.. by all kinds of problems..

at a min.. put it in a one gallon pot.. and keep it in shade.. until sept.. so it has some new soil.. and then plant it ... i am usually very leery of planting mid june thru august.. as i usually forget.. and end up forgetting to water a few hundred degree days in a row ... hence potting.. and 'holding over' until the next good planting season ...

i guess i am saying.. you have root problems ...

ken

    Bookmark     June 15, 2012 at 12:49PM
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hrigsby

Yeah that is the pot it came in. It will be planted today, but I've left it in there because I was trying to rid it of the disease before I transplant it (figured it might stress it out and kill it if it's already sick).

Do you think transplanting it will be enough? Or will I need antifungal as well?

    Bookmark     June 15, 2012 at 1:32PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

I had no idea those cactus could live up there, never saw any when I lived in Columbus. The ones with the yellow flowers are everywhere down here though, and I had no idea the flowers came in diff colors. Thanks!

    Bookmark     June 15, 2012 at 9:39AM
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marquest(z5 PA)

I was shocked too purple. I learned they were hardy in my zone from people at GW about 10 years ago. They look dead in the winter. They lay down flat as soon as it warms up in the Spring they sit up plump up and look beautiful. It is amazing. I think they are hardy to zone 4 or 5.

    Bookmark     June 15, 2012 at 11:11AM
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rusty_blackhaw(6a)

It would be nice to be able to edit a post, but overall I don't mind the format here at GW. Communication is easy, and the lack of continual format "upgrades" for the sake of change is refreshing. (One easy "fix" would be returning the gardening homepage to Spike's subclassification of forums by category, instead of the current anarchy).

As for missing posts through inability to check all the different forums dealing with perennials on a daily basis - that's the price we pay for the proliferation of specialty forums dealing with one genus of plants. Lots of people felt deprived if their favorite didn't have its very own forum, so as a result, many will miss out on interesting posts unless they make a habit of checking multiple different forums frequently (I rarely bother with the specialty perennial forums). Somehow I doubt that having one's e-mail box cluttered up with replies is the solution. Of course, the gardeners who are only interested in one genus of plants are less liable to miss out - they can stick to Daylilies, Hosta etc.

As to posting requests in the Suggestions forum, the lack of feedback there suggests that GW does not have the staff or inclination to respond in a timely manner.

    Bookmark     June 11, 2012 at 8:36AM
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terrene(5b MA)

Woo hoooo! Anybody else notice the "Image file to upload" feature that GW has added??

Way to go GW! This will make it so much easier for people to post photos.

    Bookmark     June 15, 2012 at 3:29AM
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Carolinaflowerlover NC Zone 7b

Thanks! I water 2-3 times a week, but I can up it to see if that helps. (The soil doesn't get super dry, but it doesn't stay super moist, either.) Thanks for the help!

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 6:45PM
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Carolinaflowerlover NC Zone 7b

Guess I had to get down on my knees...I found sprouts when pulling out some other plants!

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 9:24PM
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castorp

Funny, none of my four o'clocks are opening EXCEPT the yellow one.

I don't think it's genetics. Last year I had some deep pink ones and white ones opening, and this year they are not (but the yellow ones are). I ordered three different types and planted them in another spot--and none of them are opening, though they are covered with blooms.

I'm hoping they will all start opening. Or maybe I should pull them all out except for the yellow ones . . .

I would like to solve this mystery!

Bill

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 4:10PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

IME with them in different places, they just like to wait until they cool off, although others have testimonials in direct contradiction. This same question comes up every few years. Maybe some plants just have off-years? Starting to think so and castorp's plants seem to support that. But there's absolutely no reason to keep a plant you don't like. I try to give them away over killing them, though.

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 5:20PM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

Sweet Joanne looks to be a real beauty. I'd love to see a pic when it's in its full glory.

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 10:59AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Until mine are photo ready I know that frequent GW poster echinaceamaniac has some superb flowering 'Sweet Joanne'.

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 3:58PM
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alina_1

Orienpet Lilies are wonderful. Personally, I hate this 'tree lily' term invented by Breck's and affiliated companies that do not use scientific names on their sites.

I remember a great story Chris Hallson (the owner of Hallson Garden) told me:

About the lily tree... I had a customer stop by asking for them. She said that one of the picture tags looked like one of them, but all we had were lilies and she wanted a tree. Said it was the latest breakthrough from Spring Hill. To me that is plain false and misleading advertising. Oh well...

He made my day then. the latest breakthrough from Spring Hill...

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 1:22PM
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marquest(z5 PA)

you mean a flowering conifer.. lol ...

lol do you think I could get big bucs on ebay. There is a fool born every second.

alina that is funny "the latest breakthrough from Spring Hill.."

This one does not have any fragrance the others I are almost ready to bloom are very fragrant. They do have very large stems and have the appearance of a tree after growing for about 4 years. That was one of the reasons I decided to bring them with me. I did not want to start over. The bulbs were huge.

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 1:56PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

since you seem to be jumping in .. head first.. you ought to start learning some of the latin names ... or at a minimum.. be more specific with the common names..

what kind of hyacinths are you referring to??? the tiny grape h. . or the large ice cream cone ones ...

regardless ... spring flowering bulbs ... IMHO.. bloom when you should not be walking in your winter sodden garden ... compaction .. so to enjoy them.. in my garden.. they are planted in the front of the bed ... ESPECIALLY the fragrant ones.. so i can stoop and get a whiff to get the stench of a closed up winter house out of my head ... w/o walking thru the garden

after they are spent.. i remove the flower.. to avoid seed.. because i want the bulbs to multiply ... and annuals are inter-planted for later in summer ...

this way.. i keep the bulb area ... basically free for the spring show.. but have an annual show later..

when i mixed perennials with bulbs.. the bulbs tend to start fading .. over the years.. as aggressive perennials ... kinda take over ..

that plus.. repeatedly digging them up.. because they do not have their own space ... [my bad.. but who can remember in fall transplanting time.. where all those darn bulbs are]

so you might want to think out your mix and match idea ...

but i am glad you are thinking about the progression of flowering thru the summer ...

ken

ps: the dying leaves of bulbs.. makes me happy.. because i know they are storing energy.. to grow roots in fall. and bloom the following year ... and with that thought primary.. i dont 'hide' them as you suggest .. it is .. part of the show.. one might say ...

try to get out of the box.. where if it is not 'blooming'.. the show is over ... anyone who questions the flagging yellow leaves.. needs your pity.. and a lesson.. or a shovel upside the head.. if they suggest that your garden isnt neat enough ... and at that point.. get better garden friends.. lol

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 11:45AM
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mistascott(7A VA)

They could overwinter in zones 8-11. Most of Western Washington is Zone 8.

    Bookmark     June 13, 2012 at 8:59PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Hi & welcome to Gardenweb.

I've never seen a flower like that! Wow that's cool!

They're pretty reliable here, but the coldest part of winter is usually pretty dry. Too much moisture could be a problem some winters, from what little I know about WA, maybe just a wrong stereotype.

If you'd like to do so, you can find your zone here by typing your ZIP code in the box, hit enter. If you include it in your profile info, it will show up next to your name when you post on these forums. You can add it to WA, like mine says 8b AL. Plants are given a zone rating based on temperatures they can withstand and knowing what zone you are in allows people to give you more specific and accurate advice.

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 11:31AM
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wieslaw59

Yes, Aquilegia and leafminers belong together. You can also expect leafminers on Thalictrum and many other plants.

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 5:04AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

in my garden.. wherein the goal is ANYTHING BUT GREEN ...

i consider the miner work.. to be variegation .. lol ...

if you keep denuding it of its leaves.. the plant will go into decline.. as you are removing its food making machines.. its leaves ...

ignore it.. and convince yourself.. its an added show of mother nature ...

they are short lived perennials.. i think of them as biennial at best ... do let it go to seed so that you will generate babes for the coming years

ken

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 6:54AM
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oliveoyl3

I read somewhere that it spreads 1 foot a year in all directions if it's in a place it likes. Mine were a bit slow to establish, but should have a good show this year. I think they look like cotton candy and stay in bloom for awhile during our dry summer weather.

Corrine

    Bookmark     June 12, 2012 at 9:23PM
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mori1(5b/6a)

I have Queen of the prairie for several years and mine has never spread. I thought last year heatwave might have done it in but it looks healthy and is blooming. Its not even close to what terrene looks like. I don't think it gets that tall in my area.

    Bookmark     June 14, 2012 at 6:27AM
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