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denninmi(8a)

Kind of a tough call. If you leave them, they will continue to feed the bulb. But, my crinums here are such vigorous growers, I can't imagine that they wouldn't put out fresh new leaves promptly, especially if you gave them a little fertilizer at the same time. If you cut them back, you wouldn't have to look at the ratty leaves all season. I personally think you would be safe to do so, but you might want to cross post your question on the bulb forum to verify that they wouldn't go into a dormancy and not grow again this year.

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 12:55PM
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Lisa_H OK(7)

Thank you!!

Lisa

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 5:14PM
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brit5467(7b/8a Coastal VA)

Well, nicoleternity == here is the pic I promised so that you could compare to the 2nd one in my March 12th post(above)and see how fast it grew in just a couple months. This was from digging up and dividing the original one into thirds this spring (just to give you some idea on if you cut yours back now). We have been fortunate to have plenty of rain, tho, so that helped. Don't think I've had to water that bed but once or twice so far....cross fingers....lol

    Bookmark     May 22, 2012 at 9:19PM
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cukesalad(5a)

Terrene - Where did you find your "Junior Walker" catmint? I see it's a new introduction this year and I can't seem to find it locally. Has it bloomed heavily yet? I have a border where I'd love the look of Walker's Low but need something smaller. Junior seems like it would work very well ...if only I could find it!! :)

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 4:09PM
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tepelus(6a SW MI)

I haven't looked on Prairie Moon or Everwilde's websites in a while, but usually every time I look on either they are both out of purple milkweed seeds.

So I just checked to see their availability, and I wasn't disappointed (er, rather yes), they were both out.

Karen

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 1:38PM
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echinaceamaniac(7)

I bet someone has some seeds to trade. I only had 6 seeds. These aren't as easy to grow as the other varieties. I am trying one more time.

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 2:02PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

I pull them up when they get ratty looking. As Ken said, they are free seeding. Yesterday I was remembering that my MIL had given me some Johnny-Jump-ups back when I was first married. More than 25 years and one move later, their decendents are still with us, seeds having hitch-hiked with a few of the plants I brought with me when we moved. Happily, they are easy to remove where I don't want them and they don't aggressively reseed in places like the lawn. I like them for blooming until hard freeze and during late winter thaws when nothing else is blooming most years.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2012 at 4:24PM
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duluthinbloomz4

I'm with nhbabs. JJU's are very welcome here - right now they're blooming with the forget-me-nots. I get them in every nook and cranny and in all the gardens. An unnecessary activity, but I do spread the seeds when pulling any out... however, they'd do just as good a job on their own.

If you cut them back to the ground, they regenerate quite quickly.

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 12:36PM
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terrene(5b MA)

Very pretty! I have not even gotten the regular Cherry Brandy to the blooming stage although I've started lots of other cultivars of Rudbeckia hirta from seed that bloomed okay.

    Bookmark     May 26, 2012 at 12:33AM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

the plant has come out quite nice now.. you can see the single type bloom on the one lower flower.

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 10:15AM
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aklinda

I live in zone 7b where it's been hotter than normal for weeks - and mine are barely a few inches tall. I would give it more time before giving up on it.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2012 at 3:14PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Most of mine are earlier than usual this year, but I have a couple that are just starting to poke through - this is the time they normally begin showing themselves. I would give it another approx. two weeks - if no signs of life by then, then I would replace.

BTW: Don't forget to pinch when a full set of leaves emerges. :0)

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 9:22AM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

I would grow the nonflowering kind again, but I have been pulling seedlings of the flowering kind for years and can't really recommend it. It seeds into the lawn and under shrubs and it is just a pain to get rid of.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2012 at 5:27PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

I think lamb's ear is a great plant - the silvery leaves really makes deep- or rich-colored flowers stand out, particularly deep purples (heliotrope next to lamb's ear is smashing!). I have "Helen von Stein" aka Big Ears - she does not flower (well, I take that back - I got one, at the most two, flowers in the past 13 years I've had her at this house), and the leaves are large. Super easy to grow in hot, dry, full sun locations. It does spread but I wouldn't consider it aggressive, and, like someone above mentioned, easy to control - just give a yank or cut off the runners with a spade/shovel.

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 9:19AM
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clc70(8 Wa.)

Nope, these are hard backed beatles about the same size as a lady bug but longer than they are wide.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2012 at 11:19PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Can you take a photo? That would make it pretty easy. Or go to google images and type in a description of the bug and see if a photo looks like it.

    Bookmark     May 31, 2012 at 6:03AM
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SusanC(9b/10a Sunset 17)

I believe it is Clytostoma callistegioides, violet trumpet vine. It is pretty common up here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Care info here

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 2:14PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

Susanc, you are right. My bad. I focused on the flowers and didn't put my glasses on and look at the foliage.

    Bookmark     May 30, 2012 at 3:34PM
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happygardener_2006

Thanks all for the info. I think I may have oversooked. The seeds were harvested from Botainical seeds originally.

Have them trellesed over the deck slider and they were gorgeous. Waiting for them to dry on the vine was a messy and tortures thing!!

Have a few seeds left and will try the paper towel, plastic bag.

Wish I had Remy's advice on the smashing, as some were so dry I tossed them!!

As for the hollyhocks, did save seed and will plant them.
However, I have 2 elderly neighbors who have huge hollyhock patches that come back year after year, so go figure.

Thanks all, again

    Bookmark     May 30, 2012 at 8:14AM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Once you plant hollyhock seeds two years in a row, you should have a self-seeding patch.

By lablab, I was assuming hyacinth bean vine. It's been so long since I grew them, I didn't feel like I had anything helpful to say... Next time I find some seeds, I will be ready to save any seeds my plants make (thanks to Remy!)

    Bookmark     May 30, 2012 at 11:09AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

move one or two ... and if in a week they make it.. move the others ...

water well the day before... or even better .. do it in rain ...

and take a big gob of soil with them.. digging new hole first.. and water well.. and at that size ... they may never know they were moved ...

and by gob.. at this size.. i mean a teacup full ... this is a hand trowel job.. not a shovel job ...

ken

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 9:41AM
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jennypat Zone 3b NW MN(Zone 3b NW MN)

Thanks, I thought that would be the answer, but it didn't hurt to ask first. It's been raining for 4 days, and tonight there is a freeze warning! I might wait til tomorrow.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 12:31PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

in another post.. you indicated severe soil cracking ... and that tells me.. you have a good deal of clay ...

if you dig a hole in clay ... and add stuff to make it anti-clay .. as the clay dries ... it will actually wick water from your prime media ... and in the long run.. you end up losing ...

in the alternative.. the clay will create a cauldron that holds water ... and then all the water retaining media holds too much water ...

so it gets real tricky.. amending ONLY a planting hole ...

and the easiest solution is to do a whole bed..

and the other solution is to raise that bed above grade somewhat ... work above the problem ...

its all about the dichotomy between drainage.. and water holding capacity ...

actually .. its all theory.. and what you do .. is plant one .. and find out if you can make it live..

if it fails.. move on.. there are too many other plants that you can plant..

and never forget.. it is said.. you are not a real gardener.. or greenthumb .. UNTIL you have killed every plant in your yard 3 times ... its the experimenting that teaches you .... though i used to give up after two tries. i mean really.. whats the point after two.. lol .. i can bang my head on the garage for free.. lol ..

ken

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 9:36AM
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denninmi(8a)

A rather simple alternative to all of the above is to get an inexpensive battery-operated programmable water timer and hook it up to a drip irrigation system. By choosing the appropriate drip emitters and watering cycles, you can keep the soil as wet or dry as you want (Mother Nature not withstanding).

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 11:39AM
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prairiegirlz5

Have you tried calamint (Calamintha nepeta subsp. nepeta)? It is a great plant, with a cloud of white foliage all summer (I think it's actually called White Cloud, like the toilet paper, hehe). The one I have is Blue Cloud but the blue is so pale it may as well be white. I love how easy it is too, and how tidy it looks at the front of a bed.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 12:15AM
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miclino(5)

YEahh but I'm looking for something much shorter and groundcover like

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 11:25AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

and you can have two plants next to each other.. one damaged.. one not..

and i refer to that as the vagaries of mother nature ...

ken

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 9:38AM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

For the past decade, I've been making observations (just mentally) regarding frost and sun exposure. One is that a lot of leaves are not damaged by frost when other leaves are because they thawed before the the sun hit them. The same type plant that is in shade until 10 am might be unscathed while its' twin in a spot that sees the sunrise (and has no discernible difference regarding micro-climate features) is damaged. I'm certainly no scientist but I suspect the more gradual thaw can make a difference, and UNscientific observation has offered support of this. Anyone else notice this happening or NOT happening?

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 11:18AM
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steve1young(7A)

I've done the same thing with Rozanne and she's bounced back OK the same season, but with a smaller size and a bit less bloom. Next season was back to snuff. She's TOUGH!

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 8:50AM
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dyhgarden(7b)

You should see foliage rather quickly. 'Rozanne' is a prolific bloomer for me with part sun/full sun half/half during the day with moist soil. Cutting back produces a nice, neat mound of beautiful foliage. It may take a few weeks for blooms to appear again. I'm basing my experience on my own 'Rozanne' that gets part sun all day and is in moist, well-draining soil.

Something that I do in the cottage garden is use container plants (small to medium pots) in the bed where I need a little distraction while perennials emerge. Then, when the perennials are looking good, I move the container to another spot. This prevents disturbing the soil in a tightly packed cottage garden. Right now, I have a container hosta in the bed with the 'Rozanne' to provide interest while waiting for the phlox 'David' to bloom.

In my deer resistant meadow garden, I grow spring annals that I pull up by the roots to remove when the summer perennials are going strong. Different setting with lots of space.

Cameron

    Bookmark     May 29, 2012 at 8:52AM
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