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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I'm always amazed at how many times I think something is dead and it shows up later than I expected. This year, it was Hydrangea 'Incrediball'. I bought a very small pot from Bluestone last year and it sat around for a couple of months in late summer, forgot to water it a few times, finally threw the whole pot into the vegetable bed in November and it looked half dead. Sure enough, this spring, it looked dead. I could also see that it was a quarter of the way out of the ground too. Sure enough yesterday I noticed that it is pushing up new stems. Very happy about that.

Same thing with Weigela 'Midnight Wine' Same situation as the Hydrangea. No sign of life then noticed today one that looked dead last week, is now covered in leaf buds. The other still looks dead. But like Babs, I will probably wait until June before deciding something is dead.

    Bookmark     April 14, 2012 at 6:32PM
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wieslaw59

Some things are actually easy to declare dead, and in such a case there is no reason to wait to June. If you put your finger into the place where the plant is supposed to be, and everything is rotten, it will not resurect just because June has come.

    Bookmark     April 15, 2012 at 6:59PM
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paulsiu(5a)

Be careful on how much shade. I planted several plants in a shade area, heuchera appears to be the only one that died. They definitely need more like than Hostas.

I generally see it grown in full sun or partial sun in my area.

Paul

    Bookmark     April 15, 2012 at 11:52AM
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

Sun versus shade depends on the type/coloring of the heuchera in question. Most are going to be happiest in quite a lot of sun, although part shade is generally fine. The darkest colored purple/maroon/black colored ones like pretty much full sun - they fade out in much shade. Those that have very golden or light chartreuse foliage appreciate at least some shade in the hot afternoon or they scorch.

I'm not sure how these got such a reputation as a shade plant - just like hellebores, who share that same reputation, they are shade tolerant; not necessarily shade lovers.

    Bookmark     April 15, 2012 at 3:08PM
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denninmi(8a)

This is the common Star of Bethlehem, a flowering bulb. It naturalizes readily and does grow often in lawns.

Here is a link that might be useful: Star of Bethlehem in Burpee's catalog

    Bookmark     April 15, 2012 at 2:04PM
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audiolover(5)

Thanks I was afraid that might be it.
A.J.

    Bookmark     April 15, 2012 at 2:17PM
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whiteforest(6 MI)

Thanks! Is it too late to move these clumps this year?

    Bookmark     April 15, 2012 at 11:24AM
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wieslaw59

I do not think it is too late. Just dig them up with a clump of soil, so that they do not notice being moved.

    Bookmark     April 15, 2012 at 11:34AM
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vbnet

ok, it's a cloudy day so I've just been surfing and found this old thread. All I can say is "so that's what's wrong with my coneflowers!" When I first saw them several years ago, I bought them from an expensive nursery, was fascinated by the colors and had them order more for me. I don't believe they were from Stacy. Lo and behold over the years the plants have stayed miniscule amongst several old purple variety that a friend gave me. The petals always look shriveled and I was thinking maybe I was killing them even tho, the purple were fabulous. Thanks for posting these opinions as this spring I will just rip them out and put in something else.

    Bookmark     April 14, 2012 at 11:55AM
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echinaceamaniac(7)

I have to laugh now when I read this thread. I learned so much from this experience. The main thing I learned is just to plant Gaillardia if I want yellow, orange, or red. If you must go the Echinacea route, stick to the Pink or White. LOL.

    Bookmark     April 14, 2012 at 9:50PM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

ditto what terrene said - Garlic Mustard is what I thought as soon as I saw the picture in your link gg - now THAT is a nasty plant because it is allelopathic, seeds like mad, and has a very long life as seeds in the soil !

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 8:06PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

I stupidly planted sweet woodruff, muscari and lily of the valley in the same bed.....fifteen years ago and I'm still trying to rip them out.

    Bookmark     April 14, 2012 at 7:19PM
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TheMadGardner

It looks like a variety of Bleeding Heart (maybe dicentra spectabilis?). It looks for sure to be one of the old-fashioned varieties. Hope this helps!

    Bookmark     April 14, 2012 at 6:18PM
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buyorsell888(Zone 8 Portland OR)

The flowering one is indeed, Lamprocapnos spectabilis (formerly Dicentra spectabilis; old-fashioned bleeding-heart!

    Bookmark     April 14, 2012 at 7:16PM
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linlily(z5/6PA)

I think the plant I was sent might be Adenophora confusa. That sounds like the right name.

Thank you to everyone for your help and comments.
Linda

    Bookmark     April 12, 2012 at 11:33PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

I have one of these in the garden. Not sure if it is the Adenophora or Campanula. Whatever it is, it was here when we moved in over 30 years ago and I am still trying to get rid of it. Digging it out, seems entirely useless, because every little bit of root will resprout. I've tried smothering it with layers of cardboard and bark mulch and it grows right under it and actually 'lifts' the cardboard. I have some growing in a crack at the base of a set of cement steps and last year I tried cutting all the foliage to the ground and must have repeated that about 10 times over the summer and it is still there, just as vigorous as ever.

    Bookmark     April 14, 2012 at 6:41PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Ditto above.

    Bookmark     April 14, 2012 at 11:59AM
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rhizo_1 (North AL) zone 7

A few years ago, I walked out the door with my arms filled with everything I needed for work, got into the car, and put my seat belt on. It wasn't until then that I noticed that I was missing my blouse.

    Bookmark     April 14, 2012 at 12:52PM
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aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada

Wow, gorgeous, are you going to try a cutting, I would :).

Annette

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 1:59PM
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echinaceamaniac(7)

It's a stem on a seedling I found in the driveway. These are seeding all over the place. I like them so I don't mind. It looks like the blooms are going to be a different color on that side too.

I'm going to root a cutting of it and see what I can make out of it. This kind of thing isn't stable so it'll probably just make solid yellowish foliage and/or solid purple.

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 10:47PM
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

These vines can tolerate some pretty severe pruning and still thrive.....maybe why they are considered invasive in some parts of the country At this time of year, I'd wait until after flowering; otherwise, winter is an ideal time for hard pruning.

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 6:53PM
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denninmi(8a)

I cut mine down to a stub about 3-4 inches tall every 4/5 years. It regenerates to the top of the porch railings/support columns within about 8-10 weeks after this treatment. Keeps it vigorous and attractive by getting rid of all of the old, dead wood.

Trust me, you can't really kill these things even when you want to. Drastic pruning will NOT hurt it.

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 7:29PM
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jlkempen6_yahoo_com

Rooting of this plant is easier when a stem juncture is used.

It is not illiegal to root for your own use or for gifts. It is only against the law to sell without purchasing a legal name tag to compensate the breeder for the years of work that went into development of these for the marketplace. We're talking pennies here, so don't fret!

    Bookmark     April 4, 2011 at 10:02AM
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muset19

This is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the info everyone.

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 6:23PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

on a large .... mature tree .. digging a few holes is irrelevant ... to the tree .. as most trees are TWICE TO THREE times as large underground as above ...

but the problem is.. it is a desert under there.. with sub-prime soil ... and your tiny little plant.. is NOT going to out-compete a large tree for water ... and if you water just the plants [and/or amend the soil].. take a WAG where the tree will grow new roots ....

AND NEVER TILL UNDER A LARGE TREE ... thats where the real damage will be ...

i would suggest pots.. and some lawn chairs for under such ..

ken

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 3:27PM
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mary_max

The trees are young about five years old. The perennials would be planted about a foot away from the trees. I would use them as a filler for a few years. I was wondering if digging the perennials up in a few years would be a problem for the trees? What are your thoughts on this? Thanks

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 4:43PM
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northerngirl_mi(Z5 MI)

As mentioned above, it is a clumper. It does self-seed, but not as crazy much as some plants, and the seedlings are easy to either transplant where you want them, or just remove. So no worries!

Beth
Z5 northern MI

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 1:31PM
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prairiemoon2 z6 MA

Excellent news! I don't mind a self sower. Sometimes your happy with more seedlings and it is convenient. Like little dividends. Anything that is easy to pull out and doesn't keep coming back on you, no matter how many times you pull it, is okay in my book. Thanks...

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 4:29PM
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gazania_gw

My Phlox Nicky held it's color very well throughout it's bloom time...but now that you mention it wieslaw, it is in a filtered sun/shade spot. I was going to move it, but maybe I had better leave well enough alone.

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 1:01PM
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growitnow

Actually I never thought about exposure. My spot would be in pretty full sun, hot summers in Va.

Any (continuing and helpful!) suggestions? I'd welcome any feedback, this is kind of an experiement

(big long row of only phlox)

thanks,
growitnow

    Bookmark     April 13, 2012 at 4:05PM
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