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kooshball(7b)

Thanks for the response but I am looking for something with a bit more spread but still remaining upright in form.

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 9:47AM
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conniemcghee

I love my Greenspire Euonymous. Haven't had any issues with it yet - I hope I don't!

Another one I've just gotten is Green Tower Boxwood. I think it has similar ultimate size as Greenspire.

    Bookmark     March 26, 2012 at 11:14AM
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monarda_gw

I was horrified at how much they had spread and pulled out most but left a few. But those few were so welcome at the end of August I was glad I had left them. They made the whole garden, they were so cool and sparkly. I am now looking forward to planting the soft pink alium Summer Beauty to make a similar effect as soon as it gets affordable.. Saw it at the Lurie Garden in Chicago -- it was splendid and hopefully it will be more manageable. Meantime I'll pull up as many Chinese chives as I can this spring but leave a few for August.

    Bookmark     March 26, 2012 at 1:46AM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

In my experience ANY ornamental allium allowed to go to seed will take over the world.

    Bookmark     March 26, 2012 at 6:07AM
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grandmachris

Terrene,

I'm glad you mentioned recent transplanting. We had big rain all day Friday and thunderstorm during the night. The
first lawnmowing is due Monday and I have about 10 clumps of gh which have meandered out into the grass. Usually I
bring them all back in the beds when they grow foliage in the early fall, but I'm going to emulate you and try it now. We're zone 5 also and have been having very warm weather until today when it's back in the low 60s.

Grandma Chris

    Bookmark     March 24, 2012 at 7:54PM
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terrene(5b MA)

Grandma, I started transplanting around the first day of Spring, bulbs and mostly perennials that are in beds around the foundation of the house, where it warms up fastest.

This year I actually planted 2 Amaryllis bulbs on the south side of the house even before Spring started! I was annoyed with them because they sent up only foliage this winter, and so they were banished outside, about 6 inches away from the foundation. With a little organic bulb fertilizer. I am not worried about frost because the foundation is warm and prevents frost from reaching that close to the house. They are actually doing quite well, but it's been dry, so I water them pretty regularly. Maybe I can bring them in and they will bloom next winter.

    Bookmark     March 25, 2012 at 1:19PM
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grandmachris

I got my tabernaemontana from a deserted neglected planting
whose owner had planted them out by the road on an easement
and when she died no one but me knew they belonged with the
"back house". After identifying and watching them for about 3 years I asked permission and came digging. The roots were very huge, warty and tuberous. I nearly destroyed them and myself digging them out! However they
survived and when they came up the second year I divided
the clump but I haven't looked underground since. If I
do, I'll send you an e-mail. I love that plant and I always get attention with it because no one seems to know
it around here.

grandma Chris

    Bookmark     March 24, 2012 at 7:43PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

put this in your newbie head

the bigger the flower.. the more sun it needs ..

so comparing the little plain old red to the big foo foo. hybrid.. well

want to take a wild guess.. which one will need a little more oomph .. or sun???

if the genetic starting point .. the species ... which i thought the red one was ... grows in shade.. they will all tolerate shade ... its just when you start crossing genes in the seed pool ... and select for bigger flowers ... the logic would dictate.. they need more sun.. more energy production ...

and this is not specific to columbine.. and that is why i am taking the time to splain it lucy ...

the bigger the flower .... the more sun it will enjoy ...

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark     March 24, 2012 at 1:33PM
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terrene(5b MA)

Ken the state flower of Colorado is Aquilegia caerulea, Rocky Mountain columbine. My absolute favorite in the genus!

I am growing A. caerulea in mixed colors, the Origami mix, as well as McKana's Giants and A. canadensis, the eastern native. Most are doing well in mostly shade, but it's not heavy shade all day long. A few are in sunnier spots.

Weislaw, most Columbine does seem to be a short-lived perennial, but I've got 2 A. canadensis plants started from seed in 2008 and they are up and doing well this Spring, so they are in their 5th season.

    Bookmark     March 24, 2012 at 7:30PM
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ghoghunter

It's Night of the Living Coreopsis!!! Poor baby. I agree that you should move it!
Joann

    Bookmark     March 24, 2012 at 6:58PM
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MollyDog(6 PA)

Make sure it is watered well a few days before you transplant, if you choose to do so. I have many plants growing successfully under a river birch (with irrigation) for many, many years.

    Bookmark     March 24, 2012 at 7:04PM
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Steve Massachusetts Zone 5b

Very nicely done. The round bed in the front is the focal point. The Ninebark is a secondary point. I would grow a clem on a trellis on that wall, but grow two of them together. Plant a white like Huldine and a red/maroon like Warsaw Nike to play off the color of the Ninebark.

Steve

    Bookmark     March 24, 2012 at 8:06AM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

that darn dog always ends up in the picture.. whats it like.. to be a god.. to a canine.. lol ...

espalier???

or did someone already suggest that??

wonder if you could do such with strobus pendula??? or larix diana??? or decidua/kaempheri pendula???

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark     March 24, 2012 at 8:55AM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Love the suntan analogy, Ken, very appropriate!

    Bookmark     March 23, 2012 at 10:18AM
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melaroma(6)

I have to agree with the soil amendment, I skipped that part when I was a newbie trying to save money and had to replant the whole bed. It will make you life so much easier later and your plants will grow really well.

As Ken said don't be afraid to try things, most of us change the plants around every now or then or even yank some out if they don't perform well. It's part of the fun of being a gardener!

    Bookmark     March 23, 2012 at 6:40PM
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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

The canna bloom for me until frost knocks them down, so yes, they bloom late. Even more so if I'm ambitious enough to deadhead.

tj

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 5:07PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

what i used to do.. was cut the canna tops.. after frost.. and they browned.. and tie them together for halloween decoration.. like corn stalks..

to give you the timing aspect ...

ken

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 5:21PM
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kimka(Zone 6B)

How about soapwort (either Saponaria officinalis or Saponaria ocymoldes) They start easily from seed and will form a mat to choke out weeds.

The other one that comes to mind is brunnera (the standard green)

KimKa

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 4:07PM
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mad_gallica(zone 5 - eastern New York)

Why am I getting the idea we are being kept in the dark about something major? Like this hedge is in the desert, and the real question is what isn't going to require continual watering.

If that's the case, then may I suggest gravel.

It isn't something any sane person would use around here, because our biggest maintenance problem is weeds. So what has been discussed here is the problem establishing a dense enough groundcover that weeds can't compete. In an area where small rodents go around deliberately planting aggressive tree seeds, this is a difficult problem. In areas where few plants can grow without irrigation, it's much easier.

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 4:34PM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

I agree with ken. The later in the year you buy packaged plants, the more of the plants energy will have been used to grow foliage and the less is available to get the roots established. Do as he says and pot them up and keep in the shade as it will take several weeks for the roots to be able to supply nutrients to feed the foliage already grown. Don't be tempted to "pour the fertilizer to it" as this will only make it worse until established. Al

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 10:20AM
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lovetogarden(z5a NY)

Thanks for the info guys. Ken, thanks for the video too. I love Dionne Warwick. Never saw that one before either.

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 11:58AM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

I've been growing it for 5 or 6 years. Big, sprawling and handsome. Put it with big plants.

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 6:48AM
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skippy1936 (zone 5b Nebraska)

Thanks for responding and the link. I thought it was supposed to be more upright. I really like nepeta in the spring.

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 10:37AM
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squirejohn zone4 VT

The few snowdrops I have are in bloom with a honey bee in each flower. I don't know what's to become of them once the snowdrops go by as there's nothing else anywhere near bloom. Maybe some of my very few neighbors have crocus but that's just about it - no wildflowers and dafodils are just begining to poke up. Maybe they just go back to their hives and "hunker up" until there are more flowers.

    Bookmark     March 21, 2012 at 7:20AM
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ridgetop01 (zone 5b)(z5 CNY)

Pulmonaria, violets, daffodils, hardy primrose, and forsythia are all in bloom. Virginia bluebells are growing, Hellebore are in bud, "Berry Exciting" Corydalis is actively growing, Kniphofia is shooting its weird head up in preparation for blooming. Crocus and winter aconite are past. Lots of other things are getting ready to put on growth.

    Bookmark     March 22, 2012 at 10:27AM
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tsugajunkie z5 SE WI

Nice pix.

Below is a more direct link.

tj

Here is a link that might be useful: Melvalink

    Bookmark     March 21, 2012 at 7:01PM
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linnea56(z5 IL)

Those pics look great!

Nice colony you have got there, Terrene. I see that you have trees behind, but the roots are probably not near. I will probably site 2 under my ash trees, and hope supplemental water will compensate for the trees sucking so much away. I will put the third one in a nook next to my house, where 2 walls meet, where there are no roots.

Cone of soil, that's a good idea, gardenweed. I could see that, with these roots. They are chunky like daylilies but long.

I have tried these before but they were always very small plants.

    Bookmark     March 21, 2012 at 12:52PM
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gardenweed_z6a

linnea56 - glad you got the "cone" idea. I buy a lot of bare-root perennials every year, mostly from Costco since they guarantee money back if the plants don't grow. I've had to return a few that were "dead" rather than "dormant." One of my perennial How To books illustrates the technique of digging the planting hole and building up a cone of soil in the middle, then spreading the roots around the cone like a bridal gown or petticoat over it. Fill in with soil around the roots & cone, firm gently and you're done. Oh, and water for a week or so especially if you don't get any regular rain. Once they're established you shouldn't have to do anything for (or to) them.

    Bookmark     March 21, 2012 at 6:35PM
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