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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Yep, we got frosted last night, too. Sure was pretty this morning with the sun coming up on it :0)

    Bookmark     October 28, 2011 at 10:38AM
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pizzuti(5A)

Well I just checked on things and they look fine.

Under the snow the soil was still warm. In fact it was still warm enough that the bottom 3 inches of a tomato plant still has green leaves where it was buried in snow (that includes stems that were laying across the ground even though most of the plant is dead).

If tomato leaves/branches from underneath the snow cover are still green then it certainly didn't kill off any frost-hardy bulbs or roots that are 6 inches beneath the ground.

No signs of frost heaving anywhere - just some very wet soil, and lots of soggy tree leaves covering everything.

    Bookmark     October 29, 2011 at 11:40PM
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hudsonriverbug

Were these the Lady Beetles that the 'Stink bugs' were brought here to control? Now we're overrun with those nasty things, and if that's the case, I'd like to put a hurtin on whomever started the 'Stink bug' invasion!

    Bookmark     October 29, 2011 at 9:04AM
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hostaholic2 z 4, MN

I haven't seen many this year either. It's been nice to be able to go through doorways without having them flying into my hair and under my collar and other places. Ditto on the boxelder bugs.

    Bookmark     October 29, 2011 at 9:41PM
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hostaholic2 z 4, MN

In one bed with very well amended soil it did lean a bit. In another bed with very lean soil it was very upright.

    Bookmark     October 27, 2011 at 11:45PM
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christinmk z5b eastern WA

Thanks!
CMK

    Bookmark     October 28, 2011 at 6:51PM
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steelskies(5)

OK, thanks. But I think I saw something labeled red in one of the catalogs, but now I can't find it.

    Bookmark     October 27, 2011 at 11:23AM
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nutmeg4061(5b)

this is the "reddest" creeping phlox that I know of, that being said, it's still just a deep pink.
This site describes it as "Rose red flowers with darker red eye in spring."

Here is a link that might be useful: Phlox subulata Red Wing

    Bookmark     October 27, 2011 at 10:29PM
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dirtdiver(6)

When I last moved, in the middle of winter, I took the plants I'd dug up and piled them in the most sheltered spots I could find and heaped whatever snow I could find on them, and there may have been a blanket or two as well. For the plants that were dearest to me, I put them in the detached, unheated garage. Again, a couple may have even gotten a blanket. The garage-kept ones did best.

These days, I commonly end up putting a few things I haven't gotten around to planting in the garage. I make sure to throw a few handfuls of snow on top of the pots, especially in late winter/early spring, to make sure they don't totally dry out. Seems to work well.

    Bookmark     October 20, 2011 at 9:36AM
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paws4pets

We overwinter our pots also. We put them in a protected area in the back yard and cover them lightly with shredded leaves with more around the outside of the pots. Remember the most susceptible part of the plant (in pots) is the roots during the winter.
Paws

    Bookmark     October 26, 2011 at 11:45PM
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steve1young(7A)

Aren't these plants great? So cool. So dramatic. So different. LOVE them! I got my original plants from BluestonePerennials.com years ago and I really do enjoy them. I find they're very easy to divide, but I recently found a trick in dividing them that makes a huge difference in the health of the divisions as well as the original plant.

I use a Reciprocating Saw. It's really easy to use and it really makes a huge difference in dividing plants that tend to grow into a large, thick clump like ornamental grasses and hostas and Kniphofia because it cuts through the clump like buttah. ;)

And, it allows you to cut the plant into nice, neat, un-butchered sections without having to dig the whole plant out of the ground. I usually cut the plant into pie sections and then dig out each division separately. The whole process is SOOOOO much easier than using a shovel and/or knife. It's actually kind of fun.

If you're borrowing a saw, be sure to have the owner give you an old blade to use that they won't mind cutting through dirt and possibly hitting a few stones along the way.

I've divided Red Hot Pokers in both Spring and Fall and I've found that the less damage you do to the division and/or original planting, the more likely you are to have flowers in the Spring/Early Summer. Therefore, this technique really makes a HUGE difference. But, either season has worked great for me.

Since the plants are so tough and quick to recover in general, I'm going to go ahead and divide one of my monster clumps this weekend, since it just finished it's bloom. We'll see how it goes.

I'm especially interested in trying some of the smaller statured Kniphofias that I've been reading about lately. Digging Dog Nursery and Lazy SS Farm both have a good variety of Knophofias.

Best of luck!

    Bookmark     June 24, 2011 at 2:06PM
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sunrisedigger(6a)

I found the Flamenco RH Poker recently. 2 plants to start and I've gotta say they're bold and beautiful. I never was an orange fan of anything perennial. Now a few yards away are the May Night Salvia -- I say bingo: -nice companions. With the purple in front of the Red Hots. I'll move them beside each other.
One author writes that the RH Poker is very sensitive to cold winter temps so we all need to cover them up with leaves.

    Bookmark     October 25, 2011 at 3:54PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

The unique texture and colour of these plants make it a very worthwhile addition to anyone's sun garden. Here are a couple of my "Big Blue" Sea Holly from last summer. (This particular variety are self-supporting. They do grow tall but are 'airy' and don't spread much so you can usually find space for them in your garden),

    Bookmark     October 24, 2011 at 6:46AM
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wieslaw59

Nevermore44, Echinops tienschanicum is described as only hardy to zone 6

Here is a link that might be useful: Echinops tienschanicum

    Bookmark     October 25, 2011 at 12:30PM
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DiggingInTheDirt(6b-PA)

I'm not a big fan of daylilies either, but I'm in the process of moving mine to the back of our property. I am using their growth habit as a substitute for mulch. Their leaves keep the weeds down, and DH and I don't kill ourselves trying to cart the mulch all the way to the back of the yard.

I'm using red hot pokers the same way.

    Bookmark     October 22, 2011 at 7:47PM
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ogrose_tx

I love them when they're blooming, but agree about the ugliness afterwards; when you say you cut them back after blooming, do they bloom the following year? Mine look pretty bad in the heat, but perk up when Fall arrives.

    Bookmark     October 23, 2011 at 9:44PM
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michelle_zone4

Looks like an interesting place to browse. Even with my acreage something like that would look silly. The other one is neat but way to modern. I like the name Copper Leaf.

    Bookmark     October 23, 2011 at 9:30AM
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woodyoak zone 5 Canada(5b)

Michelle - yes, that big pot thing would definitely only suit a limited range of situations! The modernish black one though I think would fit in more places. Because it's black, it would not stand out too much - in the right conditions - until you are close to it. The unexpectedness of the 'modern' lines would add to its impact. For instance, if there was a convenient way to get water to it, I could see putting that beside the path going under the pines to the north of my shed. There is a spot where the shade/shadows are pierced by a bright shaft of sun on sunny days. I could see placing that fountain where most of it is in shade but where the shaft of sunlight would hit that silver ball. The sound of water running would draw people along the path, looking for the source and, on sunny days, finding the source would be a quite dramatic event I think. As soon as I saw that fountain, that's the picture I saw in my head :-)

    Bookmark     October 23, 2011 at 10:30AM
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hostaholic2 z 4, MN

I don't gather the seed, sorry, just it let it fall where it may.

    Bookmark     October 16, 2011 at 10:35PM
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harleylady(PNW/USDA 8b/Sunset 6)

I have seed...message me...

    Bookmark     October 22, 2011 at 6:07AM
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dandy_line(3B (Brainerd, Mn))

Is that the hated Buckthorn I see there in the left? Even if it isn't, you could easily remove some that under growth over there to provide some sun. Now, for some fun stuff in the wet spot:
Joe Pye weed, Queen-of-the-Prairie, Boltonia, New England Aster, Blue Flag Iris, Rudbeckia triloba/subtomentosa/maxima/fulgida/, Hibiscus+++, Cup Plant, Button Bush, (and probably more).
All of these(except Queen-of-the-Prairie) can be grown from seed very easily. Check around on the Seed swap forum for seeds from members. Or help out the folks trying to make a living on seeds and buy some.

    Bookmark     October 20, 2011 at 12:41AM
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paulsiu(5a)

Hi, I don't know if it's a buckthorn. I thought those things were not that large. In any case, it is not on my property so I can't do anything to it. I just cut stuff when it reaches into my property.

Oddly, I planted Queen of the Prairie last year, but it flooded and killed off the plant. Joe Pye weed is a bit too tall :-). Thanks for the suggestion. I'll see if I can research those plants and where to find the seeds.

Paul

    Bookmark     October 21, 2011 at 12:38PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

I do understand that FROST is not equivalent to frozen ground so I am pleased to know that my perennials planted yesterday still have time to root but I am also wondering if national weather services have historical data for "frozen ground"....as you said frozen to 8" deep?

Looking back I can bet there are years (more recent rather than earlier) that the ground *isn't* solid until into January (in my zone 5).

    Bookmark     October 20, 2011 at 2:38PM
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pizzuti(5A)

In certain areas in Zone 5 the ground won't freeze more than 1-2 inches deep at all, especially near the house, under mulch, in sunny areas, and around rocks and dense objects that absorb the sun's warmth during the day and radiate it at night.

Finally, if there is snow piled on the ground before it gets really cold, the soil will probably not freeze at all. You may be able to pile snow on the area when you shovel your walk or driveway, in order to insulate the ground and prevent a deep freeze there.

In the shade, in areas that are not mulched, and in elevated or hilled areas, the soil will be more exposed to deep freezes and freeze deeper or sooner in the year.

In any case mulching makes a big difference when it comes to frost heave... and you have lots of time to water. Water deep (slow and keep the hose/sprinklers there for a long time) and do not water again until the soil is dry on the surface, because you want to stimulate the deepest roots to drive most of the growth.

    Bookmark     October 21, 2011 at 2:01AM
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Nevermore44 - 6a

Also know that the big box stores actually purchase their bulbs up front.. so if they don't sell by end of the season.. the just pitch them. SO usually once they go on sale, you can ask the garden manager if they will take even more off then what is marked. And of course if you buy a few, they will be more willing to bend. Last year i was able to get a ton of allium for $1 per package.

So it works differently than the live plants that are all priced by the outside nurseries.

    Bookmark     October 20, 2011 at 5:37PM
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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

From Home Depot got 3 Hakonechloa 'Aureola' and several heuchera in gal pots for $3 each. At a local nursery got a pink tree peony for $7.99. Couldn't pass it up as know I wouldn't pay the regular $35 for it.

    Bookmark     October 20, 2011 at 9:52PM
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WendyB(5A/MA)

rouge21, by all means pinch twice or thrice. I lose count, I pinch so much on some of them - LOL. Mid-July is probably the cutoff date (zone 5) for pinching. A little later is still do-able, but bloomtime will be later -- which can be a good thing too.

Let us know if your Matchstick comes back in the spring. I just planted mine and I think the rootball looked great. Not a typical roadside 'hardy mum' rootball at all. It had the rootball of a well grown nursery perennial -- not too much, not too little. Up close I could even see the crown spreading wider.

    Bookmark     October 18, 2011 at 11:38AM
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dem_pa

I bought this mum four years ago. All yellow.

Each year since I have one branch of bronze.

This year the end of June I "pinched" the ends. I stuck them into rootone and planted eight of them next to mama. We had lots of rain this year. Six of them rooted. I even have two bronze.

I have five colors growing in the last several years. This is this years prize. This car gets good gas mileage. I bought it at a yard sale eight years ago for $2.00.

Don

    Bookmark     October 19, 2011 at 9:39AM
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wieslaw59

Campanula latiloba is practically identical to C.persicifolia. Main difference in cultivation is that C.persicifolia is subject to rust, and C.latiloba is not.

    Bookmark     October 17, 2011 at 1:31PM
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mustard_seeds(4 -Onalaska Wisconsin)

THANK YOU!!
Rachel

    Bookmark     October 17, 2011 at 4:29PM
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