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MollyDog(6 PA)

I use a few mums with some gourds, dried hydrangeas and grass seed heads as fillers. Cheap, but beautiful. Sometimes I also put on some birdhouses.

    Bookmark     August 25, 2011 at 6:54PM
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MollyDog(6 PA)

If you do an image web search for fall "window box" you can find some inspirations. I really like this one.

Here is a link that might be useful: fall window box

    Bookmark     August 25, 2011 at 7:24PM
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coolplantsguy(z6 Ontario)

If there is a basal mound of leaves, you can certainly cut down the finished flowering stems.

    Bookmark     August 24, 2011 at 3:01PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

or snap pix and post them here or in the name that plant forum ...

but then.. the camera is probably with the maps and cant be found.. lol ...

or simpler.. google both names and flip to the images side .... did the first one for you ... link below ...

ken

ps: best hint: get a good old fashioned clip board.. and a nail ... pound nail in garage wall ... hang clipboard on nail ... and always return it to the garage after drawing on it ... when i garden.. the first trip is always to the garage to get the saw.. and shovel.. pruning shears whatever.. so why not keep the clipboard there.. once ANYTHING comes in the house.. its lost forever ...

Here is a link that might be useful: Rose Queen salvia

    Bookmark     August 23, 2011 at 1:01PM
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gardenmom(z4 WA)

Thanks. The 4-sided stems and smell made them easy to distinguish. Can't do pictures, I've cut back all the faded flower spikes. We had some folks 'caretaking' our place for a few years while we were gone. Unfortunately, there was more 'taking' than 'care' and I think the garden notebook was used by their kids. Lesson learned : NEVER rent to anyone.

    Bookmark     August 23, 2011 at 10:09PM
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linda_schreiber(z5/6 MI)

Yeah, I go out into the garden at night. And I wander the paths, and then sit for a while, and look at the shadow-shapes of the plants, and listen to all the sounds. Try to catch a glimpse of the moon, or watch the clouds.

When it is 'night' in August, I'm afraid that work is just not on my agenda. Relaxing down for sleep, with my bare feet on the grass/soil, my behind on a chair, and my senses quietly open.

At that time of night, there are probably things I should be seeing, and thwarting, but at that point, I don't care enough to do it.

Time to go in .....

    Bookmark     August 22, 2011 at 9:54PM
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mosswitch

I'm a night wanderer, also. I go out into my woods at night, wander the paths, sit on the bench with my glass of wine and take in the fireflies and the night smells and sounds, look to see who's out there with me. If I sit very still possums, racoons and deer will come close to drink in the small pond, and I might see a fox, or an owl swooping through the trees over my head. Or maybe an armadillo shuffling its way along the path. The night blooming plantaganea hostas and flowering tobacco scent the whole yard with moths fluttering around the sweet nectar. Cool night air soothes my sun-weary skin, and it is paradise out there. I can't see the weeds or raggedy plants that need to be cut back, it all looks lush and beautiful, my perfect garden!

    Bookmark     August 23, 2011 at 11:06AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

Yes nevermore44 as I did mention in my initial post. Do you know of ways to eradicate this pest w/o harming the beneficial insects that are attracted to coneflowers?

    Bookmark     August 22, 2011 at 2:34PM
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christie_sw_mo(Z6)

Does it destroy the flowers before they open up? I have seen some type of larva in my coneflowers that burrow and I think destroy the seeds but they don't seem to ruin the flowers so I have left them alone. I suspect the finches eat the worms along with the seeds. I do still get a few seeds and volunteers. You may have a different pest than I do though.
I am having a similar dilemma with my salvia plants. There is a moth larva that destroys the buds before the flowers open up so I get very few blooms. I planted the salvia for hummingbirds and butterflies so I don't want to spray pesticide on them and I'm at a loss on what to do. So far I've left those alone too. It's ruining my 'Black and Blue' and others.

    Bookmark     August 23, 2011 at 10:03AM
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sharoncl(z5 WI)

If you ever get out to south central WI (Madison area), I've heard from other gardeners that The Flower Factory has a lot of daylilies. Looking at their list, there are certainly more varieties than I've seen at the nurseries I usually frequent.

Here is a link that might be useful: flower factory daylily list

    Bookmark     August 22, 2011 at 5:21PM
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whaas_5a(5A SE WI)

They are definitely on my wishlist. They are right by Stonewall nursery, which is supposed to be a good spot for conifers.

Thanks for the suggestion!

    Bookmark     August 22, 2011 at 6:30PM
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deanna_in_nh(5a/4b)

Thanks for the suggestions. You know what's weird? I could have SWORN the blooms earlier this summer were more pinkish than purplish. In fact, I thought I actually checked the plant online to see if that was the normal color. I have blooms now on it that are purple, just like standard Anise Hyssop. I don't think plants change color like that, so I must be slightly crazy.

I checked out the Pow Wow Wild Berry, and I think that would be a fantastic pairing, as well as a very welcome color to my overly yellow fall garden. Will be buying some seeds to WS this year, for sure! I also did put some purple in and around it, as well. Thanks for all the great suggestions!

tepelus, I placed Asclepias tuberosa not in front of it, but very close. This garden area gives me more opportunity for large swaths of color, and I'm hoping those two areas will blend very well.

nhbabs, I hadn't thought of red, but that would indeed be a fantastic color with those yellow-green leaves. That would really "pop" (I think "pop" has got to be one of the most over-used words today). Getting me to thinking...I have 5 GJ plants now. I can divide them next year and pair them with some red bloomers.

Thanks for all the suggestions. It's so helpful to hear your thoughts, and your suggestions always help bump me out of my rut!

    Bookmark     August 21, 2011 at 11:34PM
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scottyboipdx(8)

I think you are definitely on the right tracks...grasses, Rudbeckia, Echinacea...I think it would be perfect with dark-leaved companions as well...Cimicifuga, Heuchera. Here's a pic from my garden a last wee, you can see it nestled between almost all of those ;-)

Here is a link that might be useful: My Blog

    Bookmark     August 22, 2011 at 1:25PM
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kvenkat(5a Colo)

Happily, my plants don't protest when I tell them
"You need a haircut!"

    Bookmark     August 22, 2011 at 10:31AM
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wieslaw59

I'm talking to them sometimes, but not loud. I pay for them and give them what I think they want, so in my opinion I'm entitled to criticize and threaten.I usually know what is my fault and what is not my fault. I have a flower bed with 6 different phloxes. 5 are clean as a whistle but 1 is totally white from mildew. Not my fault. OUT! Also no need to cry over a dead or dying plant. Dead plants are good. They've been tested and found unwanted. There are others who gladly will take their place.

    Bookmark     August 22, 2011 at 12:41PM
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linda_schreiber(z5/6 MI)

Definitely a mint cousin. Could be catnip. Could also be lemon balm. As terrene said, crush a leaf. What does it smell like?

    Bookmark     August 21, 2011 at 9:32PM
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leahlu

Thank Terrene and Linda.

it does have a smell like mint, I am not sure it is catnip or catmint?

    Bookmark     August 21, 2011 at 9:58PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

from the fence.. dig and establish a dead zone.. a path.. and mulch it heavily ...

when you remove something .. mulch the empty space ...

just start working it in ....

most weed seed needs sunlight to germinate.. the point of mulch.. is to bury them.. and retard germination of as many as possible ... the point being.. its much easier to stop them.. then try to remove them when mature ...

violets seed THREE!! times per year .... and that is why you are always digging them ... they were so cute when i first started gardening.. i grew to hate them with the passion of the heat of a million white hot suns [and if you give me a nickle i will tell you how i really feel]

lemon balm.. or bee balm [is that what you mean] .. grows on rhizome-like runner roots.. and will ignore mulch.. if not be encouraged by it ... i gave up on bee balm long ago for such ... as well as the very similar growing mints .... cute little babes that grow into monsters ... with little or no encouragement .. lol ..

so part of what i am seeing .. is a newbie who need to 'edit' or remove some plants that are not performing to satisfaction .. rather than trying to tame them with mulch

TRUST ME.. you do not have to keep every plant that is bothersome.. they are not children.. you can abandon them .. lol ...

ken

    Bookmark     August 20, 2011 at 3:56PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Thanks for wanting to take such good care of a garden someone else planted! I imagine that they are pleased as I would have been if some of my prior gardens had been as well cared for.

You will want to do some careful placing of the mulch/compost even in March, since though you won't have to be avoiding all the plants' leaves at that time of year, some plants aren't happy with the crown buried in mulch during the cold and wet of spring. Those plants are likely to rot, so you want to try to avoid the crowns in placing your compost. Finer mulch is easier to settle in around plants than larger textured mulch in my experience. Also, with wet soil, be careful where you walk so that you don't compact the soil. I have rocks I use for stepping stones.

Bee balm isn't lemon balm. Lemon balm seeds voraciously and I have regretted the day I brought some home from a plant swap.

I don't mulch the areas I want forget-me-nots as mulch is pretty effective in keeping them from sprouting.

I'd suggest deadheading over a bucket (to catch any ripe seeds) those plants like the lemon balm that spread by seed and not putting the seedheads in your compost pile unless it gets hot enough to kill seeds. Now is the time of year to do that before the seeds drop. It will reduce your weeding next year, especially if you do it every year before various perennials go to seed (like your violets in late spring.)

Corn gluten if spread at the right time next spring will prevent some of the seeds from sprouting, so you can also spread some of that around, preferably right before a rain so that it settles into the soil.

    Bookmark     August 21, 2011 at 12:19AM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Nice choices. Please post next summer too so we can see how it has grown. To keep grass out, you will want to cut in an edge. The trench will keep the grass in the lawn rather than migrating into your new bed and will need renewing once or twice a year. (Alternatively, bury an edging strip.) Otherwise it will be a never-ending and mostly unsuccessful battle to keep the grass and garden separate.

    Bookmark     August 20, 2011 at 8:01AM
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miclino(5)

yep was just looking up on youtube how to edge the bed. I think I will go with the trench as opposed to an edging strip.

    Bookmark     August 20, 2011 at 7:29PM
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rouge21_gw(5)

I know I am late to this thread but I just came in from cutting back my yarrow and it bloomed just fine with 4 hours of direct sun.

Btw OP did you ever plant your Yarrow in this lcation?

    Bookmark     August 19, 2011 at 12:02PM
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wieslaw59

General decline of yarrow described above does not have to be due to growing trees. Many of yarrow hybrids are short-lived and require dividing/replanting each second/third year to stay alive. Besides, yarrows can attract some kind of aphids, that live on their ROOTS! When new yarrow hybrids were released on the market some years ago, I bought 1 piece of each kind(or just about). Only 1 is still alive.

    Bookmark     August 19, 2011 at 8:33PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

well if you leave out pertinent facts.. then you get shotgun answers.. lol ... you would save me a lot of typing if you did give all the facts up front .. lol ... i hope you have one cutting in a glass of water in the house.. just to prove me wrong ... its got time to root and be stuck in the ground by mid sept ...

and.. as with conifers.. mail order will get you what you want ...

i am still trying to recall that name of that mum seller.. they offer ... back in the mid 90'2 ... like 500 varieties.. FOR TWO BUCKS EACH ... they were just single stemmed rootings as i said.. but at two bucks.. i think i bought about 25 varieties.. it only took a few years.. to be down to 10 or so.. truly z5 hardy plants.. but it was neat .. because they were much different than the usual bigboxstore offerings...

it was a short family name .. lee's???? ... .. whatever.. odds of someone popping in and reminding me are low ...

ken

    Bookmark     August 19, 2011 at 8:58AM
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whaas_5a(5A SE WI)

Damn, I thought I picked up two Red Daisy Mums and one was Coral Daisy...little tag was at the bottom of the pot!

Well if they make it through I'll have 4 Reds and 4 Corals.

I actually really like mums and late blooming plants for that matter. In spring your so happy to see green that everythign goes by in a blur. By late August you're so used to green and so many plants have tuckered out.

    Bookmark     August 19, 2011 at 10:51AM
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anitamo(5)

Well, it's not the four lined plant bug damage, but I'm still leaning towards botrytis or some other fungal disease. I would remove all the leaves, just cut the plant down to the ground, and throw them in the trash, not compost pile. It may even send up fresh foliage this year still.

    Bookmark     August 16, 2011 at 9:04PM
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diggerdee zone 6 CT

Thanks anitamo. I'll try cutting them all back and hope for new, unaffected growth.

Dee

    Bookmark     August 18, 2011 at 9:33PM
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aachenelf z5 Mpls

Is it just part of one plant that is variegated or is it an entire plant from seed?

I had a variegated Uvularia grandiflora (Merrybells) seedling appear in my garden probably 3 years ago. It's remained variegated, but the growth is very weak, so I don't know if it will make it or if I even want it to make it. Interesting though.

Even though I deadhead regularly, I still get a few seedling of Phlox paniculata now and then. I usually leave them grow to see what I get. So far, I've been pleased with each one.

Kevin

    Bookmark     August 15, 2011 at 2:31PM
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linlily(z5/6PA)

Several years ago, a white with lavender/rose center flower came up along side my Phlox David. I've seen pictures of Phlox Delta Snow and this looks exactly like it. I separated it from my clump of David and have been growing it in it's own spot for 5 years now. I had thought it might be a seedling from David, but it seems more likely that it's a "sport." Any seedlings from David and my other garden phlox varieties are a pinkish purple, and all look the same. I also have a seedling here from Eva Cullum that is a bright lipsick pink. It's in it's own area of the garden and has grown well over the years.

Neither of these plants has variegated leaves though.

Linda

    Bookmark     August 18, 2011 at 7:32PM
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