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summerstar(Z7VA)

What hostaholic2 and wieslaw59 write here is true. I checked my Bluestone catalog but their description of this new variety is written exactly as follows:

Rudbeckia fulgida var. Fulgida

There is no descriptive name for this plant as there are for most other plants. Gloriosa Daisies (also a Rudbeckia) have names such as Cappuccino, Cherokee Sunset, Indian Summer, etc., but not the Rudbeckia I'm interested in.

I put a call into their help desk this morning and left a message asking for clarification as to the exact name of this flower. I'll post back when I hear from them.

Meanwhile thanks for the reply Vivian 2010. I'm glad the foliage is smaller as it will expire less water here in Zone 7. Too bad about the flower size though. Maybe they'll work to increase it.

    Bookmark     August 5, 2011 at 11:06AM
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coolplantsguy(z6 Ontario)

There are several "natural" varieties of R. fulgida:

var. deamii
var. fulgida
var. speciosa
var. sullivantii

As mentioned, the popular cultivar 'Goldsturm' is a selection of R. fulgida var. sullivantii.

As advertised in the OP, R. fulgida var. fulgida is typically later and/or longer-flowering than the more common 'Goldsturm'.

    Bookmark     August 5, 2011 at 11:20AM
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marya13(6A)

Is the damage new? If not, maybe it's winter moth larvae. One of my heuchera was decimated before I noticed the caterpillars. After that I started checking all the heuchera and hand-picking. But this was back in late May/early June.

    Bookmark     July 27, 2011 at 10:55PM
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ornata(London UK (8/9?))

I get lots of slugs and snails in my garden but they've never so much as taken a nibble out of any of my heucheras.

    Bookmark     August 5, 2011 at 10:34AM
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tiffy_z5_6_can(5/6)

What about perennial geraniums such as those in the Purple Pratense family? There's Purple Heron and Hocus Pocus which both have the dark leaves with great character.

    Bookmark     June 23, 2007 at 8:20AM
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deerbarb_gmail_com

Ninebark....though they can grow pretty big

    Bookmark     August 4, 2011 at 2:12PM
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gottagarden(z5 western NY)

the magic fountains mix are not as tall, but very sturdy and rebloom in the fall. Mine don't need staking, as long as they are kept out of the prime windy area. come in blue, purple, and pink. love em!

    Bookmark     August 4, 2011 at 7:34AM
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wieslaw59

9 out of 10 of my Magic Fountains died after 2 years. The rest died at the age of 3. So no more Magic Fountains for me.It clearly shows that they were developed out of Pacific Giants.

    Bookmark     August 4, 2011 at 8:05AM
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oliveoyl3

Japanese blood grass, Imperata cylindrica 'Rubra'-- rich soil, mulch, crowding from other perennials, & winter wet did it in. After reading about warnings that it's invasive, I planted them right next to tall sedums ('Autumn Joy') to corral it, but maybe that wasn't a good idea.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 2:10PM
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gottagarden(z5 western NY)

japanese blood grass is a slow grower for me in zone 5, not spreading much at all, and I've had it for many years.

    Bookmark     August 4, 2011 at 7:38AM
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gottagarden(z5 western NY)

hmmm, one year it seemed to bloom all summer. not since them. perhaps it is the water. i'll try next year.

    Bookmark     August 4, 2011 at 7:32AM
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a2zmom(6a - nj)

Thanks.

The lychniss is already there - it used to be next to my monch asters (which looked great together), but it moved itself through seeding. Maybe I'll go with Rozeanne, since I think that would look ok with the magenta blooms.

    Bookmark     May 18, 2010 at 7:17PM
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wieslaw59

I consider it the most beautiful Geranium of all. It is selfsupporting,stays put, extremely long blooming time and totally covered with flowers. I have had it for ten years, unfortunately all the clumps died this winter.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 7:07PM
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denidill

it would be the takesimana. I am hoping that our cool summers prevent it from spreading as vigorously compared to milder climates. Hmmm. I will have to think about this!

    Bookmark     May 20, 2010 at 11:33PM
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wieslaw59

In my opinion both C. takesimana and glomerata should be banned or be sold with a BIG BLINKING RED WARNING. Both of them are impossible to remove once they are in the middle of another plant(I don't use chemicals),unless you dig it up and wash the roots, pulling all the pieces of the campanulas out. It took me years to kill C.glomerata(I hope it will not come back). C.takesimana was a little easier to get rid of.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 6:08PM
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aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada

Thanks for all the feedback, I think I've found the perfect spot for mine, will plant it tomorrow.

Annette

    Bookmark     June 18, 2010 at 7:47PM
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wieslaw59

Campanula Sarastro was advertised as clumpforming, but it actually sends runners after a while. Out it went and was replaced by Purple sensation, which stays put(at least after the first two years)

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 3:44PM
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wieslaw59

Chrysanthemums(mums).

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 10:38AM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Nightshade vine.

1 Like    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 3:39PM
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wieslaw59

Solidago Fireworks has a running habit. But it was advertised as a clumper when I bought it.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 11:41AM
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oliveoyl3

Try cutting it back in early summer to get blooms at shorter height.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 1:18PM
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wieslaw59

Smilacina racemosa(unbeatable in all respects), Cimicifuga(all of them), Actea , Trilliums, Primula elatior, Geranium phaeum album, Podophyllum, Lilium martagon, Anemone nemorosa, Kirengeshoma palmata and koreana, Rodgersia, Brunnera,Uvularia, Disporum flavens, Gentiana asclepiada, Veratrum album and nigrum, Clematis macropetala, Clematis alpina, Meconopsis cambrica, Asiatic lilies(but fewer flowers), Oriental lilies.

Combination of all these plants will provide flowers through the whole season in heavy shade.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 11:38AM
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cyn427(zone 7, Northern VA)

All the above plus Anemones will give you blooms in the fall, too. I have mostly Honorine Joubert, but there are lots from which to choose.

Astilbe really like moisture or they fry, even in shade. The ones near my bird baths do best because I dump the water every day when I put in clean. Hosta are addictive and I think I will never have enough.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 12:00PM
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felin(8B)

I am quoting from a different post here on Garden Web...

"Some users of insecticides feel the need to observe the instant results of their efforts in order to be convinced of the effectiveness of what they are using. The application of neem derivatives does not provide this immediate gratification. There is virtually no knockdown (instant death) factor associated with its use. Insects ingesting or contacting neem usually take about 3 - 14 days to die. Its greatest benefit; however, is in preventing the occurrence of future generations. It is also interesting to note that in studies it was found that when doses were given, purposefully insufficient to cause death or complete disruption of the metamorphic cycle, up to 30 surviving generations showed virtually no resistance/ immunity to normal lethal doses, so it appears that insects build no �resistance� to azadiractin. "

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 11:40AM
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felin(8B)

The post about Neem Oil that I quoted from is really worth a read. It was posted by someone named AL FASSEZKE. Search his name and you will find it.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 11:56AM
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starinasgarden(6A)

Thanks you guys! I didn't like double blooms on echinacea until recently, now I love them. I really like Milkshake, it's the first time I've seen it, and the blooms are very pretty. Glad to hear it;s a good plant!

    Bookmark     June 24, 2010 at 10:38PM
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wieslaw59

Pink Double Delight is floppy and does not look robust. Razzamatazz is 10 times better.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 10:41AM
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calistoga_al ca 15 usda 9

I was attracted by the title "tall phlox" is there any other kind? No matter how much I cut mine back they are always too tall. Al

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 9:55AM
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wieslaw59

Yes, phlox subulata creeps on the ground. There are also other types, 'half-high' . Try to type phlox in Google. It will come with many suggestions.

    Bookmark     August 3, 2011 at 10:32AM
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