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vivian_2010 (IL Zone 5a)

I would recommend David if your site gets plenty of sun. I have on in a mostly sunny location, it started bloominbg in Mid June (Zone 5a, IL) and still goes strong now at end of July. But I have two more in a morning shade and afternoon sun location, one developed serious mildew last year and 2nd one started mildew this year. It still flowers, but leaves are very bad so I pulled them out.

Another reliable and long blooming option is Shasta daisies. I have the Alaska (up to 2-3 tall) and Snow Lady (~ 12-18 in), both of them bloom from Mid June to early August.

    Bookmark     July 21, 2010 at 3:18PM
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wieslaw59

Phlox David has proved to be a very aggressive plant with me, devouring everything in its path. And it does get mildew. I would suggest Veronicastrum virginicum album, which is a polite plant(not the whole summer though). Also Thalictrum polygamum(creamish white)

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 7:36PM
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gottagarden(z5 western NY)

It's useful to hear of everyone's different experiences, especially from those in the colder zones. Since it seems positive overall, I will give it a try and wait the recommended time. Hopefully we will have rain sometime soon to aid application, it's terribly dry here now.

The devour the same plants that Regina mentions, and leave most of the rest alone.

Hollyhocks MUST go, they are the honeymoon hotel for JBs and can never look good.

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 4:02PM
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anitamo(5)

I've never used milky spore and I rarely see a Japanese beetle in my garden. This year...none. Maybe it's because I don't grow their favorite plants, whatever those are.

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 7:06PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

So wondered if the problem could be a fungus, so sprayed with a fungicide.

===>>> sounds a bit premature to go the chemical route..

you know you are in drouhgt..

and that plants wills sacrifice older leaves in such..

and watering after tissue damage will not restore those leaves ...

and yes.. it can happen to one plant in a bunch ...

i think you wasted the chems...

insure all your plants get the same water.. IMHO ...

ken

    Bookmark     July 24, 2010 at 11:01AM
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wieslaw59

Shasta daisy can get fungus. It can even die because of it. It applies to other plants from Compositae(Asteraceae) like Helenium , Aster novi-anliae and others. But dying stalks can also be caused by something gnawing the roots. Several times I dug up such a plant and there was a big fat larva of something under the wilting part of the plant)

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 7:01PM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Sure is pretty though :o/

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 4:44PM
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terrene(5b MA)

I have mixed feelings about this plant, because it is native and the birds LOVE the berries. It attracts all sorts of interesting birds, such as Bluebirds, Cedar Waxwings, Thrashers, Catbirds, Cardinals, Robins.

On the other hand, when I had Norway Maples removed, zillions of Pokeweeds sprouted under one of them. A few would be delightful, a thousand is not so delightful. I'm still trying to get them under control. They're better than Oriental bittersweet though.

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 5:35PM
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plantmaven(8b/9a TX)

I had never heard of nepeta until last year.
A person on cottage gardening plants it with their roses.
I have now plant some.

See the first pic. in the link.

Here is a link that might be useful: nepeta and roses

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 8:38AM
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mxk3(Zone 6 SE MI)

Looks like a catmint to me :0)

I've not had mine spread rambunctiously but the plant itself does tend to sprawl outward - easily remedied by whacking back with the added bonus of whacking being another round of bloom. Of course it increases in size each year, but again very easily remedied by dividing - after which it doesn't miss a beat so go ahead and whack and divide all you want, this plant couldn't care less.

I get a whiff of something when I disturb the foliage - not minty to my nose, though. Whatever it is, I don't particularly care for it but it's not off-putting per se.

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 4:42PM
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anitamo(5)

I rarely see them in my gardens, but when I do, out they go. They release a smell (and not only when crushed), I believe, that can attract other bad bugs. They can also get in the house. I've always read on the other forums that they are one of the bad bugs, and there is an infestation of the brown marmorated stink bug that have the experts alarmed. On the plus side, some types to eat other pests, but I'm not about to study them to find out which are bad and which are good.

If you can keep them contained somehow, I agree that it's a learning project for the kids.

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 12:44PM
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wieslaw59

I had it in zone 7. It died second winter.

    Bookmark     July 31, 2011 at 5:55PM
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lmberg

I had it, but it was unforgivably floppy (even when sheared back after first bloom), and had to go.

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 12:40PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Cannas are actually perennial tubers. If it has established there, it should be fine how it's been the past few years. Unless you have disturbed the soil level or significantly increased or decreased the amount of shade/sun exposure there.

    Bookmark     July 10, 2011 at 10:55PM
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plantmaven(8b/9a TX)

When I was a kid, in south TX, that canna was referred to a Panamanian.
If I remember correctly it sets seed.

Kathy

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 8:25AM
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wieslaw59

It is not good for the roots of Delphiniums to stay too long in pots, especially being exposed to high temperatures.

    Bookmark     August 1, 2011 at 8:58PM
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

I find fall planting to be ideal, but I do plant midsummer and then keep an eye on watering and provide some shade from a tomato cage covered with light fabric clothes-pinned on, a yard chair placed to give it south and west shade or anything else that will give it a bit of shelter while it settles in. Plants I have in pots at this time of year I try to place so that the pot is in shade in the hot parts of the day and I check their watering often.

The nice thing about fall planting is that the air is cooler, but the soil is still warm, which is good for root growth and lower stress on the plant. I mulch after planting to help keep moisture levels even and the soil warm as well as to help prevent frost heaving when there isn't snow.

    Bookmark     August 2, 2011 at 8:06AM
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jemboysch

A hollyhock grew in my garden this year that I never planted. I assume a bird brought it to me. I'd love to propogate it into more plants. From what I'm reading, I don't have to do much but scatter the seeds. Will I really get different colors from this one creamy white plant?
Jm

    Bookmark     July 31, 2011 at 7:28PM
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AdamKR(5a - Wisconsin)

I have also wondered that... I always here that each year your Hollyhocks will multiply and turn into tons of different colors.

    Bookmark     August 1, 2011 at 10:42PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Yes, daylilies would suit your purpose. If they get weed-wacked a bit or even mowed once in a while, they will be fine. You could throw columbine seeds out there for earlier blooms. Zinnia seeds might be desirable. One or more milkweeds might do well for you. Heavy seeders are ones I would go for.

Whatever you consider, investigate its' tolerance to salt since this ditch probably gets salted from the street run-off - if your road gets plowed/salted.

    Bookmark     August 1, 2011 at 3:22PM
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wieslaw59

I don't think scabiosa and sidalcea would like to have 'wet feet'

    Bookmark     August 1, 2011 at 8:39PM
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laceyvail(6A, WV)

Around here they bloom until frost. Another long blooming (until frost) geranium is Dilys--this vines out like Rozeanne, but is very dense and really acts as a groundcover. Like Rozeanne, the stems do not root on the ground.

    Bookmark     June 17, 2008 at 6:33AM
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camjan

Would this be a good plant to trail down a small retaining wall in full sun? Its a long retaining wall so if something else would be better I'd appreciate your input. Can I split this after a season or two?

    Bookmark     August 1, 2011 at 4:21PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

tip it out of the pot.. and find out if it is severely root bound

and let us know ... or better.. give us a pic of that

it has to be a water issue .. so you are either not watering enough .. or the roots are having problems ...

tell us about how you water it .. how big it is in relation to the pot .. and how the roots look

ken

ps: the other option is that it simply hates you ... so get rid of it..

    Bookmark     July 21, 2011 at 4:10PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Totally agree with Ken. Usually store-bought plants are in dire need of repotting when you buy them. If all you've done is look at yours, it's probably pretty bad-off.

The soil may also have become so dry that it's hydrophobic. Try setting the pot in a saucer of water for a few hours. If all of the water disappears, keep adding more until it stops disappearing. Repotting can help fix this, too. Stay away from peat as potting soil.

The expression "fresh as a daisy" isn't meaningless. Individual daisy flowers don't last long - a day or two. Cutting off dead flowers is a daily task if you want these plants to look good. Next year, you might prefer the daisies in the ground and something more tidy in your pot(s).

    Bookmark     August 1, 2011 at 3:59PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

there are roughly 180 species within the genus according to wikipedia.. that supreme source.. lol ...

without a fuller latin name.. its hard to give you any specific information ...

what mail order source did you use??? one of the better ones.. or a bargain shop

june planting is on the far side of proper planting time.. and sometimes.. obtaining good stock ... but it should be within the realm of OK .. with proper tlc ....

ken

Here is a link that might be useful: link

    Bookmark     July 21, 2011 at 12:22PM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Perennials don't usually do much above-ground their first year. Water if they wilt. They are busy growing roots for now.

    Bookmark     August 1, 2011 at 3:53PM
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ford8nn(z4IL)

Full sun watered daily, M'gro potting soil, 10 x 10 x 4" rarely, if ever, dries out much. wood is western red cedar.

    Bookmark     July 22, 2011 at 10:31AM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Let it get more dry between watering. Verbena doesn't like to be wet all the time.

    Bookmark     August 1, 2011 at 3:51PM
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