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diggerdee zone 6 CT

Someone on the forums here once referred to columbines as "promiscuous" and I thought that was a funny but rather accurate description! They wander at will, via self-seeding, and mix with others freely as well, leading to the garden crosses gardengal refers to above. I have so many columbine seedlings in so many spots in my yard, that they are one of the few plants I don't feel bad about weeding out in the early spring. Don't get me wrong, I usually weed around them, but if I pull one by mistake, or they are growing smack in the middle of another plant, I don't feel bad yanking them.

Luckily for me so far, most of mine have stayed fairly true to their original variety, or at least color! I actually have a lot of Green Apples, (which in my garden are actually white) which I don't particularly love, but I leave them because hey, it's something in bloom and everyone else seems to like them! And truth be told, I don't know till almost bloom time what color they will be, and I can't bring myself to yank them at that late time!

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 7:12PM
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ken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5

you would leave some seed to mature [as compared to deadheading] .. and when they are brown .. they are standing upright ... .. and when open .... you could just dump the seed in your hand.. or an envelop ...

since you know they are doing it by themselves ... that would mean.. you could replant immediately ... no need to store the seed until some magic time ..

ken

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 7:56AM
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floral_uk z.8/9 SW UK

Interestingly, not far along the same footpath there were some fields of Papaver somniferum. A few farmers are allowed to cultivate it for pharmaceutical use. The ones they grow are very pale lilac/white flowered.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 12:58AM
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oldbat2be(5B)

Floral_uk - Gorgeous!

ogrose_tx - both of those are very pretty. I miss having poppies! When we first moved into our home 17 years ago we had them, in one spot, but that's become overgrown and I haven't seen them for years. I think I need to direct sow and try again.

    Bookmark     May 29, 2015 at 2:54AM
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catkinZ8a

felisar, what's your zone? I love your attitude toward 'laggards'--shape up or ship out!

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 7:44PM
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nowyousedum(7a)

I just saw some ninebark at my nursery on Monday. Fell in love! I have the perfect spot for it! Shovel pruning? Wow! My neighbor always laughs when I exit the garage with shovel in hand. I bought a Siberian Motherwort that was pretty in the pot, but weedy in the garden. Gone! I "pruned" a baptisia, but it came back. Roots must go on a ways. My artemesia had a baby and I gifted that one to a co-worker.

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 8:03PM
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felisar (z5)

I am in the process of moving and dividing a number of daylilies as they are now in too much shade, digging up and potting seedlings. Of course weeding, weeding, weeding. Have started staking my big guys - persicaria polymorpha, lespedezas, baptisias. I have to laugh when I see in gardening magazines all those designs for 'sitting areas' in the garden. HA! I don't the resident gardener would ever use them. Too much to do and so little time.

1 Like    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 6:19AM Thanked by catkinZ8a
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catkinZ8a

Took it easy today..wanged my lower back out weeding/contorting in the depths of the borders the last couple of days.

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 7:47PM
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lynnet26

SunnyBorders, when you say Dwarf Marcus arose as a mutation of East Friesland, do you mean from reseeding itself?

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 11:36AM
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sunnyborders(5b)

From the patent, Lynnet.

"Variety of salvia plant named 'Haeumenarc' US PP13322 P2".

Confusingly, 'Marcus' seems to be subsequently treated as an alternative cultivar name for 'Haeumenarc'.

"The new variety was discovered as a naturally occurring mutation of 'Ostfriesland' (East Friesland) (unpatented) in a bed of sage plants in Stuttgart, Germany in the summer of 1998."

A confusion here: 'Ostfriesland' itself is said to be sterile.

Does that mean that 'Marcus' appeared as a branch mutation? I'm not thinking so.

Also in the patent literature: "The new variety was first asexually reproduced in 1999 by cuttings in Stuttgart, Germany.

Another confusion is that the garden Salvia cultivars (often assigned to Salvia nemorosa) are rather interspecific hybrids or interspecific-hybrid hybrids.

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 5:03PM
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mmjau zone 6

Oh, sorry. This should have been posted in the "Name that Rose" forum. Going to try there :)

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 10:42AM
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Tiffany, purpleinopp GardenWeb, Z8b Opp, AL(8B AL)

Thanks for correcting my opinion.

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barbiepg

Many of our spiderworts are looking 'droopy' along with yellowing foliage. The blooming period was 'brief' to say the least. We are in GA; I am thinking of cutting them all the way back and letting them try again?????? So many of them are just 'laying down'?????

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 9:59AM
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docmom_gw Zone 5 MI(5)

I love penstemons, and they come in several different sizes and colors. Most are in the purple range. Hummingbirds supposedly love them.

Martha

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 6:09PM Thanked by callmos
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Check out some of the milkweeds such as butterfly weed, Asclepias tuberosa, which is orange or occasionally yellow, and there are several kinds of milkweed that bloom in the pink and white range. There are several native asters such as Aster cordifolia that are in the right size range, but will need deadheading to prevent vigorous seeding around. If your soil is moist enough, Lobelia cardinalis (cardinal flower) and Lobelia siphilitica (Great blue lobelia) may work for you, but neither is happy where it's dry. With adequate moisture, false Solomon's seal, Maianthemum racemosum, may work - I have some in all day sun though in general it prefers some shade. There are many species and hybrids of Monarda (bee balm and horse mint among others) and some of them will be in the right size range, though many will be taller than you want. Many Monarda are vigorous spreaders. The columbine that is native to this area, Aquilegia canadensis, blooms at around 2' here, but the leaves are a much shorter rosette. There are a bunch of daisy-shaped flowers, some of which grow in your size range if you choose the right variety. Look at Echinacea (coneflower) and various perennial sunflowers such as Heliopsis and Helenium (Helen's flower), one of my favorites.

Native plants can include different things depending on who is using the term. Some folks include hybrids and selections of native plants, while others only want the wild type. The hybrids and selections will be more predictable with things like plant height and bloom color and may have larger flowers. Some folks want native to their immediate area; others want the same state, or region, or country, or continent.

You haven't really talked much about your garden style or goals or given a photo or a bed size or even what else is growing there, so I find it's more difficult to make suggestions other than just a scattershot list of plants, and that may be why you haven't gotten more folks' ideas; your question is really broad. Some of the plants I listed above play well with others (as do the Penstemons suggested by docmom) and some seed around or grow runners that help them take over territory, including that of other plants. Some will feed pollinators, some will feed caterpillars, some appeal to hummingbirds, and some have seeds that birds like if the seed heads are left on the plant. Some nurseries and botanical gardens have a plant finder that allows you to plug in your various needs. Here's the one for the Missouri Botanical Garden, and though their native plant designation is limited to MO, many plants will overlap with your area. Here's one from Bluestone Perennials, though it doesn't include native status, though that can be researched for the US at the USDA's Plant Database (and by looking at the map you could probably infer whether it's native in your area north of the border). You can search by scientific name or common name by using the choice under the search box.

1 Like    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 4:34AM Thanked by callmos
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NHBabs(4b-5aNH)

Thanks for the extra photos. Sorry, but I can't add anything beyond my first guess, and if no one else has suggestions, I would post it for the whizzes at the Name that Plant forum, being sure to include all 3 photos.

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 5:04PM
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fievel38

Thank you for your help...

    Bookmark     May 28, 2015 at 1:54AM
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rouge21_gw(5)

UPDATE:

We had our fingers crossed that it (BR II) would survive its first winter (and an epic one at that) and now we see lots of signs of life at the base!

1 Like    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 4:31PM
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catkinZ8a

That's great, rouge!

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 8:56PM
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docmom_gw Zone 5 MI(5)

These are two of my favorite plants, and I grow them every year. The OP has a picture of Monarda citriodora ( at least that is what I have known it as) and Kez has Monarda punctata. Here in Michigan the punctata will overwinter and grow back from the roots, but citriodora always needs to be re grown from seed. I plant both to be sure I always have them. They are favorites of all pollinators and easy,easy to grow.

Martha

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 5:54PM
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Kez (Z7 OK)

Docmom, thanks for confirming what grows near me is indeed punctata. Glad to hear they are easy to grow. I have only admired them so far with no hands-on experience growing them. Time to change that.

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 7:10PM
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mmjau zone 6

i'm from norway/sweden, but can travel to UK to buy if anyone finds it there =) On the web with international shipping would be nice. I tried ebay and amazon, no luck

    Bookmark     May 26, 2015 at 2:14PM
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gyr_falcon(Sunset 23 USDA 9)

I replied to your Monday/duplicate thread. HERE

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 6:18PM
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chouchou_gw(5b Ontario)

Geum perhaps?

1 Like    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 12:29PM
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gdinie

Yup, I vote for Geum too ;-).

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 2:52PM
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Kez (Z7 OK)

Campanula, many thanks for introducing me to cerinthe! Like prairiemoon2, i had to look it up since I wasn't familiar with it. That is one gorgeous plant. I added it to one of my ideabooks so I won't forget to try it.

1 Like    Bookmark     May 26, 2015 at 8:45PM
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gdinie

My Baptisia is small yet, just visible to the left, but I used to have a big one in the same area. Then it is able to hold itself against the oriental poppies I love there. Gold variegated Iris pallida dalmatica would be beautiful at its feet too. Flowers compatible blues with vastly different shape, foliage also glaucous, but with the gold to liven up the picture all through the season. Geranium magnificum would be tall enough to hide the baptisia's bare legs, and it blooms at the same time. Itoh peony Bartzella also catches up with the club, it just starts a few days later. You can see it to the left, on the point of opening its buds.

    Bookmark     May 27, 2015 at 11:41AM
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gardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)

There's a lot of different types of shastas - some very compact and some that can get really large. They all like lots of sun. Sun loving plants in less sun than they need will get leggy - they get taller than normal, look less dense or full with fewer leaves and will lean towards the sun.

I plant perennials in bud and bloom all the time. Their season of interest and demand at area nurseries tends to coincide with their normal bloom time so very common. As noted above, just keep them well watered. The blooms will open :-)

3 Likes    Bookmark     May 19, 2015 at 7:06PM
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ashleyellens42

Thanks so much guys !! I definitely needed to water more, like daily. I was doing a couple times a week and things were looking droopy nut perked right up with daily watering. Also 2 of my blooms are opening !!! I'm a happy and proud garden mama !!!

    Bookmark     May 26, 2015 at 7:25PM
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