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peren.all(5a ON Canada)

I am a fan of Sanguisorba. I grow 'Tanna", tenuifolia, obtusa and obtusa alba.
These var. have been in the ground nearly 10 years with no issues. (tenuifolia will seed about if not deadheaded)
I have just planted 'Pink Tanna' in the fall.
They are intolerant of dry soils but if too moist will flop. obtusa is pink but will turn white if the soil is too wet.
I really like them all but 'Tanna' and obtusa alba are the ones I like best. I am sure I will like 'Pink Tanna' as well.
Red Thunder sounds quite nice. Could not find the height of Midnight's Child but it looks nice as well.
They have gone to town on seed selection / hybridizing. Wow
Edited to add
Hope arbo_retum shows up, this will teach me to check the OP date.

This post was edited by Peren.all on Sat, Jan 3, 15 at 18:43

    Bookmark     January 3, 2015 at 5:31PM
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gardenprincethenetherlandsZ7/8(Z7/8)

There is a good article on Sanguisorba in the journal The Plantsman (published by the Royal Horticultural Society).

J. Sutton, "Sanguisorba in Cultivation". The Plantsman 6 (2) 2007, 78-83.

Unfortunately I can't find this article anywhere online (it used to be on the RHS website).

I did have Sanguisorba hakusanensis in my garden for some years but got tired of because it flopped. Now I have Sanguisorba "Pink Brushes" which SEEMS to me a more sturdy plant than S. hakusanensis. Love the fluffy flowers!

    Bookmark     January 4, 2015 at 4:15AM
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Campanula UK Z8

Me too - going for the garden equivalent of bear vs shark.
So, I have campanula rapunculoides against hesperis matronalis,.......symphytum officiale with angelica archangelica.

I am hoping the combined efforts of selected thugs will overpower the brambles and nettles which have previously held sway.
Have taken note of your suggestions - aster cordifolia definitely has legs, I think.

    Bookmark     January 23, 2014 at 7:34AM
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silvergoldenrod

I sadly lost the last of my chocolate joe pye last year. It did great for a few years, but I think the soil dried up too quick where it was. It was in part sun. I was constantly having to water it, and it never stayed moist. It wasnt too close to anything that would harm it.

    Bookmark     January 3, 2015 at 11:09PM
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davids10 z7a nv.

highly scented, not really very vigorous(for me). has seeded fairly widely the last couple of years but is one of those plants you suddenly realize has been gone for a while.

    Bookmark     January 2, 2015 at 11:45AM
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aseedisapromise(zone 5 SD)

I also have two pots of these bulbs, and give them about the same treatment as flowergirl. I think they are pretty nice. They bloom for me with just morning sun. Last year I repotted them into some new soil in the spring and threw the old soil out into the mostly shady flowerbed. They bloomed okay there with sun from 11 to one PM, but later than when the photo was taken. You can just see the buds starting.

    Bookmark     December 14, 2014 at 5:07PM
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cedar_wa(z8)

I got a surprise one summer about 20 years ago when one came up in my vegetable garden. I like the plant a lot, but it has spread because I have tilled a bit. In pots it does not survive out side here in zone 8. I should move the dirt from the vegetable garden some where more suitable. I can imagine that mulching in the fall could allow them to survive eastern WA winters. I think that they could make a nice house plant also.

    Bookmark     December 31, 2014 at 8:17PM
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Marlorena(Z8-9 England)

whoops...sorry folks.. something went wrong there...
sincere apologies....

    Bookmark     December 28, 2014 at 6:51PM
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greenhearted(5a IL)

Bellarosa ... as I expected. :( Thank you for confirming.

    Bookmark     December 31, 2014 at 1:13PM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

It is very nice intergrade at that. I love the white stems. I hope it holds it as it ages. I find that bronze fennels get more bronze as they age.

    Bookmark     December 31, 2014 at 1:10AM
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mnwsgal 4 MN(4)

Perhaps you could cut holes in some of the bags and leave others completely sealed to see which works better. As I recall when I buy bagged bulbs/tubers they have holes in the thin bag and some kind if shavings.

One would think that wrapping in plastic wrap would have the same effect as withdrawing the air from the bag. Sounds logical, but I wouldn't chance having all my tubers rot.

    Bookmark     December 29, 2014 at 9:56PM
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bitbit

Thanks everybody. Actually I got the idea of wrapping in saran wrap right here on the Garden Web and it works great...they look like the day you wrapped them up. It's impossible to wrap them as tightly as the food saver would. I think I'll leave just one that way and redo the others in saran wrap. I had a feeling it would be a little too extreme.

    Bookmark     December 30, 2014 at 7:50PM
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cedar_wa(z8)

I have had Nora Barlow for years now. I originally bought the seeds because they were being promoted as "new". They were grown in Virginia by George and Tom in their gardens. So,hot weather is not a problem. I have found success with columbine to chill in fridge for a couple of weeks in a small amount of dampened starting mix and then spread seeds in a larger container to germinate. Late winter is a good time to do this or even now, if spring comes early where you live.

    Bookmark     December 30, 2014 at 4:03PM
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peren.all(5a ON Canada)

For the Foxglove fans, Digitalis grandiflora is a real gem. This one is long lived and a lovely soft yellow. I like to cut the flowering stems back since it will keep putting new flowering stems up pretty much all season. If I want them to reseed I let a couple of stems go to seed later in the season. The plants shown are quite young, first year (from pots planted the fall before) Quick growth from seed though too.

    Bookmark     December 30, 2014 at 6:08PM
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peren.all(5a ON Canada)

If you want international flavour this book brings together advice from some of the worlds leading designers including John Brookes, Beth Chatto, Piet Oudolf, James van Sweden and others.
The title is Gardens by Design ---by Noel Kingsbury

John Brookes Garden Design is the best selling garden design book in the world.

Then there is The Essentials of Garden Design by John Brookes

    Bookmark     December 26, 2014 at 1:22PM
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aftermidnight Zone7b B.C. Canada

Over the years many garden related books have been on my bookshelves. I only have so much room on them so many have been given away. Looking at my bookshelves this morning most of the books left are more for reference and specific plants. Here's a few titles.
Asters... by Paul Picton (has a new one coming out in the spring).
Daffodils for Home, Garden and Show... by Don Barnes.
English Roses...by David Austin.
The Checklist of Species, Hybrids and Cultivars of the Genus Fuchsia...by Leo B. Boullemier ( have many books on fuchsias )
Canadian Garden Perennials...by A.R. Buckley (this is an oldie).
The Genus Epimedium...by William T. Stern
The Color Dictionary of Shrubs...by S.Millar Gault, George Kalmbacher and Ernest Crowson.
Then I have books on Clematis, Cliva, Begonias, Climbing Plants, the list goes on.
For light reading I have several books by Beverly Nichols, have read books by Rosemary Verey, We Made a Garden by Margery Fish and a few others. The one I'd like to read again is 'Capability Brown' the story of his time as a gardener on an english estate who grew strawberries in the dead of winter in the glasshouse. It's not a very big book, I've searched and searched for it but no luck :(.

My garden design, has come about by what I call constructive staring, and the hit and miss method, well that worked well but that bit over there has to go plan LOL.

Merry Christmas everyone and best wishes for having your best garden ever in 2015

Annette

    Bookmark     December 26, 2014 at 1:55PM
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Patty W. zone 5a Illinois

I just found the summer thread where this plant was talked about. It would not likely survive our occasional super wet freeze thaw winters.

    Bookmark     December 26, 2014 at 11:07AM
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rusty_blackhaw(6a)

The Echibeckia "Summerina" series supposedly flowers for 2-3 months, which sounds about average to less than average for Rudbeckias.

I have not had a disease issue with Rudbeckias, so that feature is not relevant for me. I'd be inclined to wait on this one to see what long-term hardiness is ("hardy to zone 6" sounds borderline in any case, especially as it sounds like this variety does not produce viable seed so you'd be out in the cold if it didn't overwinter).

    Bookmark     December 26, 2014 at 12:05PM
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wantonamara Z8 CenTex

We all know about missing the timing of things. I am trying to STOP MY CAR and pick some seeds of these Mountain Pinks before it is too late. Tomorrow , I swear .along with planting those three 5 gallon Nolina sibericas that I bought yesterday. They gave me a third off. I will , I will, I will.....

    Bookmark     December 22, 2014 at 12:01AM
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pitimpinai(z6 Chicago)

The renovation at our house was just completed a week ago. My house has more storage than I had ever imagined. I am putting things away right now including my seed boxes.

I will have to tackle the garage once the basement is in order and bring in potting soil that I purchased in the fall and begin to sow seeds a la Winter Sowing. I plan to sow some perennials and trees. I will sow annuals in April or May.

I am burying kitchen scraps in my vegetable bed. By spring, I should have a well composted veggie bed.
Life is grand. :-D

    Bookmark     December 24, 2014 at 3:07PM
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catkin(UDSA Zone 8)

The lovely Cephalaria gigantea.

    Bookmark     December 20, 2014 at 11:20PM
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catkin(UDSA Zone 8)

A warm pink poppy!

    Bookmark     December 20, 2014 at 11:39PM
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val(6a)

They are gorgeous! I just love lilies!
Just curious: where did you buy your lily bulbs?

    Bookmark     December 20, 2014 at 8:22PM
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Campanula UK Z8

I grow this and would say that if you are keen on large airy giants such as cephalaria, crambe, macleaya...this mallow will be just the ticket. It grows in dry, poor soil, reaching over 6 feet in a season. It has a stout, upright stem...but, in a windy place, would benefit from a single discreet stake, The leaves look thin and somewhat withered - not all plumply malva like and it flowers late in the year - rarely before august, with hundreds of small pink single flowers in each leaf axil (so not up to much for cutting) - utterly charming and would look terrific with umbels and grasses.
However, like all mallows, it will seed about, and put out a sturdy root very early on so you will need to be vigilant with seedlings...but these are readily recognised and speedily dealt with. Sow the seeds at once as they benefit from a 4week cold stratifying - the first season, the plants may only reach 3-4 feet tall but will easily double that in following years.

    Bookmark     December 20, 2014 at 6:40PM
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sunnyborders(5b)

Makes complete sense, Rouge.

In terms of highest monthly precipitation here, the average monthly precipitation increases in the order: October, July, April, June, May, August, September.

So all in all, "May showers bring June flower".

And then there's the snow meltwater to consider!

    Bookmark     December 17, 2014 at 5:21PM
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davids10 z7a nv.

late june early july just before heat really hits. digging new cold frame came up against aruncus, despite being in place 20 years roots very rudimentary. three very hot, very, very dry summers i suppose. they had put out new growth as soon as weather cooled and there was a little water. moved them to better-i hope-place.

    Bookmark     December 20, 2014 at 12:28PM
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