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Watering every 3 - 4 days may have washed out most of that fertilizer by now. You could do fish emulsion at half-strength once a week. Osmocote works well in pots too.
BUT: have they bloomed yet? If not, then water is sufficient enough for now (they are happily growing roots, and they need roots before blooms), fertilize after the first bloom cycle.
I alternate between stuff like fish fertilizer and compost teas and stuff like MG and MG bloom boosters etc. I have tons of brugmansia which are very heavy feeders and will eat up anything I can throw at them. I do not mix up separate batches so whatever I am feeding them, I just do the same for all the other stuff too. I have potted roses that get quite a bit of fertilizer and I have not had any problems. I use plastic pots not clay and they get watered several times between fertilizer applications. Also, make sure to never fertilize a dry pot. Always water about a half hour before you fertilize. I killed a rose many years ago by putting fertilizer on a very dry rose lol. Completely fried it!! Never forgot that lesson.
~sjn
In this photo, the Julia Child roses and the peonies (pretty well over blooming and not looking good) are planted on a fairly steep slope, looking down our front sidewalk. The peonies were planted a year before the roses, and as Julia grew bigger, the peonies got more trapped. Now they bloom beautifully, and a short while after they are done, the plants get mildewy from poor air circulation due to gigantic Julia. None of roses ever get mildew, but this example does show how the peonies should be planted in front of the roses. That's not how things worked out here. The roses do wonderfully well in this bed, though. Diane
I'd say it depends on how close together they are going to be, and whether you place the peony in front, beside, or behind the rose depends on how tall the rose gets.
Here you can see a nearly finished blooming white peony (bottom right corner of pic) next to a red Eutin floribunda--both about the same size, although the Eutin will get somewhat taller as the summer goes by. That peony and rose are about 3 feet apart. There is also a short spreading mini rose is growing in front of that peony; it is about 1.5 ft away from the peony.
If you look down at the end of that bed, appearing to lean over the driveway (it doesn't really), there is another peony, done blooming. To the left of it is the pink Pomponell rose bush. They are about 3 ft apart also, and as the summer goes by, the Pomponel will grow taller than the peony, although at peony blooming time they are roughly the same size.
Both the peonies are placed so that they get plenty of air space and therefore don't mildew, but the rose bushes next to them and growing larger as the season progresses help mask them a bit, drawing attention to the blooming rose rather than the bloomless peony. Since my peonies do not mildew, they look like nice green bushes most of the summer, although they can get a bit ratty looking in autumn--but I just start trimming them back then.
Hope that helps.
Kate
Hmmm. They have a bunch of PINATAs at Lowes in 3gal pots. The opening blooms were quite striking. Maybe I should go back and pick one up! I have a non-climbing TALISMAN and it definitely doesn't get a lot of yellow on it, let alone a bright yellow!
I'm sure RVR will replace it.
The first year you have these roses, don't cut the rose stems more then half way. Let the bush's grow and put some size under the blooms. Vino Rosso is the only one that I'm not familiar with. The Kords roses will get fairly tall but can be kept to 4 or 5 ft tall. It will probably take 2 or 3 years to get good width to them. I've heard some grumbling about the bloom size of Vino Rosso not being any bigger the a medium size florabunda bloom. It's supposed to have beautiful flower form with good stems under the bloom. It's major selling point. I know Winter Sun is a beautiful yellow with good stems and great foliage. Of the 4, I pretty sure Beverly is going to be your biggest bloom. Winter Sun should out bloom them all and Grand Amore will grow on you the more it blooms. More then anything, always stop to smell the roses and enjoy each bloom off each bush that you grow.
Just an update, they have climbing Belinda's Dream at Antique Rose Emporium in 15 or 20 gallon pots for $50. Impressive looking plants. They also had some beautiful Graham Thomas Roses in similar sized pots for same price that I might have snatched up if I didn't already have 2.
...as you only want a couple of roses I wouldn't consider that to be terribly crucial.... if they don't succeed...you can always try again....
...if I lived in your area I think I might choose from the Earth Kind list, as they have proven heat and drought tolerance....amongst other good attributes...
I had assumed you got bare root, grafted plants. Green, potted plants are another thing entirely.
You'll have to acclimate them slowly to full sun. The wind is a factor, as well. They've been grown in very sheltered artificial conditions, and have to get used to the real world! They were in an 85 degree greenhouse, high humidity, no wind, then they got shoved in a dark box, taken out and put in cold ground with 40 degree air temps. I'd lose my leaves, too, lol.
The advice cecily gave is good: keep them in filtered sun for a few days, and pot them into larger pots until they form a stronger root system. Keep them moist, not wet. Don't fertilize until you see new growth. Let them get a little bigger, and their chances of survival will increase. I RARELY put roses that small directly into the ground, unless I know they are strong growers. As for the ones you've already planted, like Kippy said, give them a couple of weeks, they might put out new growth. If it's been dry, water; but don't drown them. Without leaves they won't be losing much water.
John
I agree that among the two rose types you mention the Knockouts are the better performers overall in the summers. They bloom more often and have a fuller look. Like MadGallica, I've been underimpressed with the Flower Carpet roses having skimpy growth and sporadic blooming. If you want an easy care low growing bloomer, better options would be the Kordes Vigorosa roses, the Drift series (like Peach Drift), or several low-growing Easy Elegance roses.
Cynthia
I really like my flower carpets but they do set seed and I must dead head for constant bloom. My favorites have been Apple Blossom, Pink and Red. Mine stay healthy with no spray as long as I'm sure to remove any winter damage cane. They have gone down to the crown in the last two winters. My favorite knockouts are Home Run and White Out (which technically isn't a knockout). Both are very healthy here for me. Home run sets seed easily so needs dead headed or bloom will slow down. They also die to the crown in the nastiest winters.
Would like to add that I have two Kordes roses that were tip hardy this year. Little Chap and Innocencia Vigorosa.
Oh my goodness, there are so many suggestions we can give :D I adore my New Dawns, keeping in mind that they are thorny monsters, because their blooms are just so gorgeous :) And for me, I use them in a ton of shade. I've never seen a rose bloom in as much shade as they take.
Some complain about lack of re-bloom in their New Dawns, but my clone does great. I do prune the ends often enough that I have both old and new wood, so that might matter. It's also a sport of a once-blooming rose, so maybe some revert back? Dunno, but if anyone needs cuttings of my clone, no problem :)
For more suggestions, I'd make separate posts describing the situation for the rose for prime spots. Space, sun, even soil type all matter a lot when picking the perfect rose for a spot. And color, scent and kind of bloom, too!
Definitely tell which zone 7 you will be. Mine is sunny, very hot, and humid, whereas the Pacific Northwest is much different. I think we even get colder in the winter, too, and that matters very much in some zones (not usually our sevens :) ).
annofpa: I kept my tree roses in about 15 gallon insulated pots. I start my regular potted roses depending on their size in black nursery pots or whatever is available lol. If they are grafted plants I put them in 7.5 gallon size then pot up from there as needed. Ideally, I try to get the roses potted on into large insulated pots to prevent the roots from getting too hot here. I have a hand truck that I use to move pots. Its the best thing I ever bought dh so I could steal it and use it for plants lol :D
~sjn
I also picked up CI in one of my body bag orgies. I also just bought a Mr. Lincoln as a replacement for one that died, it's my husband's favorite. So far all of my bagged roses are doing fine. Even the JFK one I bought that was in rough shape. I think getting them watered and potted right away is a key. I've even soaked them in the bag and left them like that for a bit.