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spaceman18

Thats great advice, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Ive just given it a blast with some water, and will continue to monitor.
Thanks so much for your time.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 11:20AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Do it every day or two for a while and then whenever you water the pot..

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 12:36PM
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BelfastBound

Thanks roseseek - I will make it a winter project to figure out the name of the rose.

I think I will do a hybrid solution presented here. Dig in November and put in a prepared pot in the garage. The stems are about 5 feet and I feel that I need to come them back.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2014 at 9:21PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

So, you are going to haul 100 lbs of dirt to Maine, and then what is the plan for overwintering?

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 10:21AM
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susan4952(5)

Gorgeous. And what a lovely friend you are.

This post was edited by susan4952 on Sat, Sep 13, 14 at 23:36

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 11:32PM
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bethnorcal9

You're welcome Kim. I hope that's what it is. It's a really great rose. It's almost always in bloom, and just loaded with them. The buds start out creamy white with a hint of red and open up with edges coral-red, fading to a med coral pink. One stem can make a whole bouquet. I planted mine at the front of one of my flowerbeds that joins two other beds at an intersection of walkways. I have to be careful walking in between there because this rose just takes over the whole area, and I often get snagged on one of the big canes. Wish I would've known how it grew before I planted it there, cuz it would be better somewhere else. Every yr I hack it way down, and it comes right back the next season like a big monster!

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 12:20AM
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seil zone 6b MI

What plant are you putting in? If it has a fairly shallow root system it should be just fine. New Dawn is very vigorous and it shouldn't be bothered at all. The only problem I can see is that ND grows so large it may dwarf the other plant completely.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 9:27PM
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bcroselover(5)

Hi Seil: Thanks a lot for the reply. Well, for one thing I want a sandy space for planting my beebalm and asters where they won't get drunk on my rose soil and fall over. It's my only available sunny spot. But at the side I also wanted a little rock niche to experiment with some very small plants, such as the gentians. Not having a clue what I was doing, I bought a trumpet gentian before finding out how hard they are to grow and get to flower. Once I found out, I figured I could either put it in the compost now and save myself the trouble, or else I have to make a home for it and pray to the saints of Beginner's Luck. There is only one place on my property for it, and that's at the foot of New Dawn's growing area, which is slightly sloping. I also would like to try other gentians that are easier to grow in the future, and there may be some pH differentials needed between New Dawn and the gentians. So I'd like to put some slate vertically in the ground between the rose soil and the sandy soil, and I'll be putting lots of gravelly soil at the bottom of the sandy part for good drainage. Also lift up the soil level of the lower half of the space so that New Dawn's water no longer flows down and saturates the bottom. I erred when I said there were 3-1/2 ft open space in front of where ND is planted. When I took out the rocks around the bed, there are actually 4-1/2 ft, and I'd like to cut that down to 2-1/2 to 3 ft from ND, which has considerable open space in other directions. Any further advice would be much appreciated.

    Bookmark   September 14, 2014 at 12:01AM
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vmr423(Zone 8b, SC)

Subtropical and humid? I'm in like Flynn... especially if it comes with a free rose of a sort I can't currently get Stateside. 'Hugo Roller', maybe?

Okay, I'm dreaming out loud again, but the book does sound like it would be pertinent to my conditions, and at least some of the recommended roses are likely to be available here, right?

Thanks for the heads up,
Virginia

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 10:53PM
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roseseek

When it is released, it will be announced on his website, including international sales. Kim

Here is a link that might be useful: HainsRoses

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 11:04PM
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farmerduck

First frost Sunday night in New England and much of NY State! We are a little further South and won't get frost, but frost in mid-September! Hope that we won't be getting hit by another vortex this winter. Where is Al Gore with his slides on global warming when you need him?

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 9:34PM
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boncrow66

I hope we have a better winter and everyone's roses do better next spring.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 10:03PM
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Karolina11(6b Central PA)

Ann,
Thank you for your response. I looked the rugosa over and the sepals on the hips look the same throughout the plant and I can't tell a difference with leaves other than lighter color on new growth. The growth seems to be happening all over the bush and not limited to a cane or two. The only thing that I felt was odd as how quickly the last set of blooms was spent but that was probably the weather. I will keep watch. Do you by any chance have any photos of the infected rugosas you have encountered?

Thank you again for taking the time to respond.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 3:16PM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

I'm sorry I don't have photos.

On one near Knoxville, there were even denser thorns and curved stem growth and the 'rugose' leaves had spaces in between the veins that had overgrown the spaces and it almost looked as if I could pop the spaces (like an odd bubble wrap.)

Up in Canada, the rugosa crosses were second or third year infections and they had canes lines with witches brooms at every leaf break/bud axils. And distorted blooms.

One of the oddest things about RRD is that a certain point, the blooms stop having 'normal' sexual parts and things start to be missing. An example is the blooms on 'New Dawn' which has petals coming right out of the stems (no receptacles, no seeds, just petals.)

When RRD gets into the roses gone wild in New England, I think we'll see a lot more different kinds of aberrant growth.

Ann

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 8:19PM
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birdwoman(7aNY)

thank you to Cynthia and michaelg for your imput. I ordered winter and am still considering pink enchantment. Thanks again for your time

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 12:16AM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

More reports about 'Pink Enchantment' nee 'Souvenir de Baden Baden' are available in the thread linked below.

(I cannot report because first, I grow own root and own roots are not available in commerce as quickly as grafted plants, and second I try to adhere to a rule that I won't comment on them before their 3rd year ).

Here is a link that might be useful: 'Souvenir de Baden-Baden' / Pink Enchantment

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 6:46PM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

âÂÂAt the September ARS National in St. Louis, one of the speakers was a breeder from Kordes. He pointed out that 1990 was the year that they quit spraying in the fields. That is when disease resistance truly became a criteria for selection.â -- Posted by flower2sew z6 Indep MO on Thu, Oct 4, 07

It takes about 10 years to bring a rose into commerce.

Doing a little math:

1990 - stopped spraying.

Add a year for the observation of those results yields

Add ten years yields

This is why I specify the 21st century Kordes roses.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2014 at 10:20AM
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mariannese

I have 5 Tantau roses and one Kordes on trial for the third year now. They are not entirely new but new for Sweden which is why they sent them here for trialling. Three Tantaus are quite healthy, Baronesse, Mariatheresia and Pastella are absolutely BS free. The fourth in the same bed is Alabaster and this year it is very spotted, probably because of our strange summer with cold alternating with heat and rain. The single Tantau climber Uetersener Klosterrose did very well the first two years but has been a disaster this summer. The only Kordes rose, Rotkäppchen is perfectly healthy.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 4:48PM
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jacqueline9CA

No, sorry.

Jackie

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 2:05PM
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henry_kuska

Looks like it will be a good way to find rose videos for presentation at rose society/gardening meetings.

http://www.site.co.uk/drag_it/web_drags/search_all/gardening-roses-videos

Here is a link that might be useful: example search

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 2:31PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

I had St. Patrick. It was one of my favorites. I never had a balling problem, the blooms would open, but not fully. But as Ken said, you could have 2 dozen or more long stem blooms on one bush at a time. I once was able to cut a very nice dozen and bring them in the house. Mine had gall and I had to dig it up. I would like to replace it.

    Bookmark   September 9, 2014 at 12:23PM
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dizzylizzy415

Ok, after these mixed reviews, I have decided to keep mine for a while longer and give them a chance. I actually have a few blooms now that did not ball. They are small but the form is perfect. I think they are liking the milder temps we are finally starting to have. I am going to see what October brings. Jim, you can tell the grim reaper to go away. :-)Thanks everyone!

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 2:26PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

That said, many of the older Hybrid Tea Roses do NOT grow well on their own roots. They were bred and released to be grown as budded to a vigorous rootstock.

As the trend will be, more and more, to own-root production, some of those roses will probably be grown only by collectors, or as custom-budded, by nurseries such as Burlington Rose Nursery.

In the case of your 'Black Magic,' there are a good many sources listed on HelpMeFind. If I wanted a rose badly, I'd go right down the list, and check with all of them.

If that didn't pay off, I'd get one from Heirloom, on its own roots. Then, I'd contact Burlington, about custom budding.

Here is a link that might be useful: Sources for Rosa Black Magic

    Bookmark   September 11, 2014 at 8:45PM
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bayarea_girl(NorCA 9)

Thank you for all the responses. I will try them out. I looked up through HelpMeFind many times for vendors before but I don't think their list is up-to-date. I checked out their listed vendors but they don't carry the roses that they were listed under.

    Bookmark   September 13, 2014 at 9:48AM
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seil zone 6b MI

A lot of these older HTs were bred to be grafted and were never tested as own root roses so there is really no way to know now how they might preform as such. The only thing you can do is give it a try and see how it does in your garden.

If you can find a better quality grafted plant at a nursery, whether local or on line, you may find it will do much better for you. The big box stores like Walmart do not get in the best quality plants to begin with and that may be why you're having difficulties. Some times a rose is just a dud from the get go. It might have a weak root system or have been grafted poorly or whatever. It's just never going to do well no matter what you do. That doesn't mean that that variety is a bad rose. It just means you got a bad plant of it.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2014 at 4:32PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you everyone. I liked Kate's suggestion about trying the multiflora so I decided to go ahead and order one from Palatine, I've already done it. I am still a little curious about the own-root from ARE, I have been wanting to try them, because of the high praise they receive. It could be that since lizardacres lives in zone 9 that makes a big difference in the way CI would perform. Years ago I had a Chrysler Imperial planted on the south side of my house. Seems like it got fairly large and was covered with blooms. Perhaps planting it in a different location would help.

    Bookmark   September 12, 2014 at 11:03PM
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susan4952(5)

Love Song has her moments.

    Bookmark   September 11, 2014 at 10:10PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

So pretty!

    Bookmark   September 12, 2014 at 6:34PM
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jacqueline9CA

Thanks, Henry

    Bookmark   September 12, 2014 at 3:14PM
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