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I am sorry to hear this Jimmy. Yours is one of the chief complaints that many people have. Whether we force ourselves to maintain a professional attitude and do our best work, whether we fill out harassment forms, or report a person depends on too many factors.
I hope you are able to work it out.
Sammy


Thank you, Madri for that very complete explanation. Maybe I will try one or two for fall planting which I know are sure to be hardy. The spinossima 'Falkland' looks interesting. Palatine says it does repeat, HMF says no repeat. Maybe there is an occasional late bloom.
Kentucky Rose, sorry about the delayed reply to your question. I am not currently able to photograph, a matter of learning how to use a new camera--old dogs and new tech, you know. I bought NDM from eurodesert the summer it closed. I concentrated on roses of Matthias Tantau, Jr., those had to be shipped across the country in hot summer. Cliff and his helpers did a marvelous job of packing the roses, but he was shipping out of a local PO, and I rather suspect the personnel there had not counted on having to work very hard over the hot summer. So, some did not survive, but my NDM has survived the trip across country and cold winters here. The "floribunda" which I planted next to it turned out to be the rambler 'Dupontii'--lovely rose which I am happy to have--so NDM was shaded but still bloomed. I moved it last spring to what turned out to be another shaded spot, where it is blooming now despite competition from morning glories and a cobea vine. My plant is grafted, probably onto R. laxa, but I imagine a plant on multiflora would do as well. In my yard, NDM has everything I like in a rose except fragrance. I don't understand why it fell out of commerce in North America.
I have been ordering from Palatine for several years. I am as impressed as you by their excellent plants.




This is where the new rose will be going, now that the nandina infestation and about 100 asiatic lilies have been removed (hopefully we got them all).
seil/annt: I think that may rule out the Jeanne Lajoie; keeping it tamed to a reasonable size looks like it'll require more time and energy than I have right now.
hoovb: The outer ring of that bed is Iris germanica 'New Dawn' so I'd like something that's not the same color. Lunar Mist is pretty though... Might recommend it to my mother, who collects yellow roses.
michaelg: I may take another look at the Aloha, since the color is similar to the Colette; I like repeat bloomers, and I'll need a focal point once the iris fade at the end of their season.
Thanks to everyone that commented.


that they paint the castle in DROP DEAD RED colour with STAINLESS STEEL chimneys as per TRADITION. So PRINCE ALBERT and rose hired GYPSY BOY, BISHOP and ROXY to accomplish the task. They started the painting and encountered STORMY WEATHER. They had to stop untill the WHITE CLOUD disappeared and they saw the SUNNY SKY....


It was awhile ago. The discussion was about when to put manure in the soil and the effect on plants. Two people disagreed and it got ugly.
This year, our society had some controversy with the title of our Fall Rose Show. It was originally to be Christmas in Roseland, but that had to be changed because it might 'offend' some people.


Susanne27,
Thank you for the information. I'm wondering whether translation of Canadian zone listings is required in general?
You will see that I'm listed as zone 9 here in Florida, but I also garden in zone 4. So understanding such subtleties is very valuable in terms of evaluating hardiness reports.
Thank you for the explanation and for clarifying your zone listing to what is commonly understood here.
Thank you very much.
Beautiful photo BTW.


Most rugosas will make a spring flush and then only scattered repeat. 'Topaz Jewel' and some others are full repeaters but are not pure rugosas either. Are you letting hips develop after the first flush? If so, that would reduce repeat bloom, and deadheading will help in future years. Also, pH7 is higher than rugosas want. If the foliage is chartreuse rather than deep green, they aren't getting enough iron, and that could reduce productivity. Apply 1/2 cup of sulfur per square yard to acidify the soil--it takes about six months to work.


Henry, the statement about thick red growth by the Marin Master Rosarian appears to refer to herbicides in general rather than RoundUp particularly. Overgrowth symptoms resembling RRD might be caused by 2,4D and similar chemicals.
The Oklahoma State fact sheet on RRD says,"However, excessive thorniness and unusual red pigmentation does not usually occur with glyphosate." Generally, glyphosate injury on other plants causes stunting and yellowing rather than overgrowth.
This is not the last word on the subject, but I would like to see a science-based source indicating that glyphosate causes overgrowth and redness in some roses (or any plants). I guess it's possible that a light dose causes opposite symptoms from a heavy dose.

To further complicate the situation, many men are colorblind.
That deep reddish color that some of us associate with RRD-caused growth....well, my husband is colorblind and he doesn't see that as red at all, just a slightly different green.
And, FWIW, he doesn't see it on a roses from a number of different classes; nor does he see it in photographs (when many, many in audiences do see it.)
Isn't Marin in California?


Susan,
That WAR looks bad to me; it's almost a duplicate of when my Peter Beales version of Parks Yellow Tea Scented China which got sick and then got much sicker faster than any other rose I've seen. I really hate that both sides of your stem broke; the upper side should always be the one to put out lateral growth, the undersides generally don't. Also I really don't like that the new growth is circular (as in one side is growing faster than the other.) If WAR were mine, that cane, all of that cane, would be gone tomorrow. And I'd watch where it was pruned off like a hawk.
On Cornelia, compare the time that reddish growth takes to turn green with any other new growth on that rose. The margins look a little too smooth (which is ok), and the stipules aren't exuberant. I don't like the discoloration on the leaves, but given sunlight, they should normal up.
Ann







Gotcha. Nothing to do then but plant them and see what happens. I'm pretty careful and can spot problems early on so should be able to handle whatever comes. Fingers crossed they take off like crazy though.
We found that roses ON multiflora, and roses whose makeup was largely multiflora, struggled with chlorosis here.
It's like saying: "It hurts when I slap myself in the face."
The answer to that problem is to stop slapping yourself in the face.
Just so, we no longer plant roses ON multiflora, or roses that are largely of multiflora breeding. We're happier, and so are the roses we're not torturing. :-)
Jeri