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fireballsocal

Gotcha. Nothing to do then but plant them and see what happens. I'm pretty careful and can spot problems early on so should be able to handle whatever comes. Fingers crossed they take off like crazy though.

    Bookmark   September 7, 2014 at 8:46PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

We found that roses ON multiflora, and roses whose makeup was largely multiflora, struggled with chlorosis here.

It's like saying: "It hurts when I slap myself in the face."

The answer to that problem is to stop slapping yourself in the face.

Just so, we no longer plant roses ON multiflora, or roses that are largely of multiflora breeding. We're happier, and so are the roses we're not torturing. :-)

Jeri

    Bookmark   September 7, 2014 at 10:41PM
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sammy zone 7 Tulsa

I am sorry to hear this Jimmy. Yours is one of the chief complaints that many people have. Whether we force ourselves to maintain a professional attitude and do our best work, whether we fill out harassment forms, or report a person depends on too many factors.

I hope you are able to work it out.

Sammy

    Bookmark   September 7, 2014 at 2:08PM
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zzackey(8b GA)

I've been there before. I've had over 25 jobs in my life. Being the new kid on the block is usually painful. Be nice and good luck with finding a better job!!

    Bookmark   September 7, 2014 at 2:16PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

There is a yellow climber available from Palatine called "Kordes' Golden Gate." I would like to have a good yellow climber and the pictures are gorgeous. Does anyone know about this particular variety?

    Bookmark   September 7, 2014 at 9:39AM
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nastarana(5a)

Thank you, Madri for that very complete explanation. Maybe I will try one or two for fall planting which I know are sure to be hardy. The spinossima 'Falkland' looks interesting. Palatine says it does repeat, HMF says no repeat. Maybe there is an occasional late bloom.

Kentucky Rose, sorry about the delayed reply to your question. I am not currently able to photograph, a matter of learning how to use a new camera--old dogs and new tech, you know. I bought NDM from eurodesert the summer it closed. I concentrated on roses of Matthias Tantau, Jr., those had to be shipped across the country in hot summer. Cliff and his helpers did a marvelous job of packing the roses, but he was shipping out of a local PO, and I rather suspect the personnel there had not counted on having to work very hard over the hot summer. So, some did not survive, but my NDM has survived the trip across country and cold winters here. The "floribunda" which I planted next to it turned out to be the rambler 'Dupontii'--lovely rose which I am happy to have--so NDM was shaded but still bloomed. I moved it last spring to what turned out to be another shaded spot, where it is blooming now despite competition from morning glories and a cobea vine. My plant is grafted, probably onto R. laxa, but I imagine a plant on multiflora would do as well. In my yard, NDM has everything I like in a rose except fragrance. I don't understand why it fell out of commerce in North America.

I have been ordering from Palatine for several years. I am as impressed as you by their excellent plants.

    Bookmark   September 7, 2014 at 12:51PM
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bayourose

Thanks , pretty petals. I will call Linda and ask her if it can be grown as a bush. Appreciate your efforts on this beautiful rose.

    Bookmark   September 6, 2014 at 9:08PM
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Prettypetals_GA_7-8

I soooooo hope we get enuf folks to call them and ask for Linda and stress how much we want Peach Silk.

    Bookmark   September 6, 2014 at 11:23PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Mine is probably around 4' on a normal year, a bit smaller now after a harsh winter like the last one. I'd put the range in a cold climate more like 3-4', but not a mini at least in my yard.

Cynthia

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 3:31PM
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ratdogheads(5b NH)

Interesting, thank you.

    Bookmark   September 6, 2014 at 5:02PM
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susan4952(5)

Off topic, but according to the trusted experts on this forum, the iron trellis has encouraged a spider bite infestation that almost killed it! Forgot my water prophylaxis this year.

    Bookmark   September 1, 2014 at 10:57PM
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cajun-qn81(8)

This is where the new rose will be going, now that the nandina infestation and about 100 asiatic lilies have been removed (hopefully we got them all).

seil/annt: I think that may rule out the Jeanne Lajoie; keeping it tamed to a reasonable size looks like it'll require more time and energy than I have right now.

hoovb: The outer ring of that bed is Iris germanica 'New Dawn' so I'd like something that's not the same color. Lunar Mist is pretty though... Might recommend it to my mother, who collects yellow roses.

michaelg: I may take another look at the Aloha, since the color is similar to the Colette; I like repeat bloomers, and I'll need a focal point once the iris fade at the end of their season.

Thanks to everyone that commented.

    Bookmark   September 6, 2014 at 9:35AM
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madri_gw

that they paint the castle in DROP DEAD RED colour with STAINLESS STEEL chimneys as per TRADITION. So PRINCE ALBERT and rose hired GYPSY BOY, BISHOP and ROXY to accomplish the task. They started the painting and encountered STORMY WEATHER. They had to stop untill the WHITE CLOUD disappeared and they saw the SUNNY SKY....

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 9:46PM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

exemplifying the PARADISE FOUND by them. After seeing the DROP DEAD RED painted castle, QUEEN ELIZABETH said in her most LADY LIKE voice that there should be tiny WEDDING BELLS on the WEDDING CAKE. She nodded to .....

    Bookmark   September 6, 2014 at 2:34AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Ok who has the link to the poop fight I'd like to read that? lol
By the way great thread Sara Ann! :-)

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 7:15PM
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buford(7 NE GA)

It was awhile ago. The discussion was about when to put manure in the soil and the effect on plants. Two people disagreed and it got ugly.

This year, our society had some controversy with the title of our Fall Rose Show. It was originally to be Christmas in Roseland, but that had to be changed because it might 'offend' some people.

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 7:34PM
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dove_song(WA State Z6b)

Stunningly beautiful bloom. Ahhh...really love it!! Hehe yes picking a favorite color is tuff. :o)

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 10:50AM
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Michaela .:. thegarden@902 .:. (Zone 5b - Iowa)

thank you dove_song! It really is. I don't think I can pick just one! Or even two! :o)

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 2:07PM
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sandandsun(9a FL)

Susanne27,

Thank you for the information. I'm wondering whether translation of Canadian zone listings is required in general?

You will see that I'm listed as zone 9 here in Florida, but I also garden in zone 4. So understanding such subtleties is very valuable in terms of evaluating hardiness reports.

Thank you for the explanation and for clarifying your zone listing to what is commonly understood here.

Thank you very much.

Beautiful photo BTW.

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 11:54AM
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ratdogheads(5b NH)

Susanne,

I love Distant Drums with purple, nice combo you have there.

Is yours grafted or own root?

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 1:50PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

True-blue--what a lovely picture of your blooming rose. So glad it all worked out for you. Enjoy your roses!

Kate

    Bookmark   September 1, 2014 at 8:31PM
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true_blue(Mtl Can Zone 4b)

Got it Kim!

Thanks Kate. Here is another bloom, from a warm and dry bud, less saturated :-)

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 12:31PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Most rugosas will make a spring flush and then only scattered repeat. 'Topaz Jewel' and some others are full repeaters but are not pure rugosas either. Are you letting hips develop after the first flush? If so, that would reduce repeat bloom, and deadheading will help in future years. Also, pH7 is higher than rugosas want. If the foliage is chartreuse rather than deep green, they aren't getting enough iron, and that could reduce productivity. Apply 1/2 cup of sulfur per square yard to acidify the soil--it takes about six months to work.

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 11:57AM
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dove_song(WA State Z6b)

Susanne, I love the the colour combination of pink and yellow on a rose. Really warms my heart. Thanks so much for sharing this one!! :)

    Bookmark   September 4, 2014 at 1:51PM
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Michaela .:. thegarden@902 .:. (Zone 5b - Iowa)

Very pretty! :o)

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 10:09AM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Henry, the statement about thick red growth by the Marin Master Rosarian appears to refer to herbicides in general rather than RoundUp particularly. Overgrowth symptoms resembling RRD might be caused by 2,4D and similar chemicals.

The Oklahoma State fact sheet on RRD says,"However, excessive thorniness and unusual red pigmentation does not usually occur with glyphosate." Generally, glyphosate injury on other plants causes stunting and yellowing rather than overgrowth.

This is not the last word on the subject, but I would like to see a science-based source indicating that glyphosate causes overgrowth and redness in some roses (or any plants). I guess it's possible that a light dose causes opposite symptoms from a heavy dose.

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 9:40AM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

To further complicate the situation, many men are colorblind.
That deep reddish color that some of us associate with RRD-caused growth....well, my husband is colorblind and he doesn't see that as red at all, just a slightly different green.
And, FWIW, he doesn't see it on a roses from a number of different classes; nor does he see it in photographs (when many, many in audiences do see it.)

Isn't Marin in California?

    Bookmark   September 5, 2014 at 9:48AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

That William Allen Richardson looks pretty iffy to me, but what do I know since it is not here.

My roses in too much shade get leggy looking for sun.

    Bookmark   September 4, 2014 at 10:20PM
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anntn6b(z6b TN)

Susan,
That WAR looks bad to me; it's almost a duplicate of when my Peter Beales version of Parks Yellow Tea Scented China which got sick and then got much sicker faster than any other rose I've seen. I really hate that both sides of your stem broke; the upper side should always be the one to put out lateral growth, the undersides generally don't. Also I really don't like that the new growth is circular (as in one side is growing faster than the other.) If WAR were mine, that cane, all of that cane, would be gone tomorrow. And I'd watch where it was pruned off like a hawk.

On Cornelia, compare the time that reddish growth takes to turn green with any other new growth on that rose. The margins look a little too smooth (which is ok), and the stipules aren't exuberant. I don't like the discoloration on the leaves, but given sunlight, they should normal up.

Ann

    Bookmark   September 4, 2014 at 11:28PM
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