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Yep, I'll definitely back up Diane and sing the praises of Colette. She and Nahema share prime fence space and even in part shade conditions, they are cane hardy, prolific bloomers, and drop dead gorgeous. My Colette is just about to start blooming and I'll see if I can get a picture this weekend. Sympathies on the 90's - we're only just crawling our way out of the 60's and the wettest May we've ever had (and the 6th wettest month ever in recorded history). 80's are expected next week, and all those lovely rose buds should be popping soon.
Thanks for the cautionary tale about New Dawn. My own-root ND under an oak tree is healthy but still tiny after three years. The true test will come with my second and grafted New Dawn that I planted this year. No, I didn't choose that much bloodletting - it was a mistake sent from Brecks that they didn't want returned, so I threw it in a back corner where it can duke things out with Darlow's Enigma and a bunch of oakleaf hydrangeas. I only venture back there to do some tip pruning every year or so, but I'll remember the goatskin body suit (smile) when I do.
Cynthia
Thanks everyone. Many forum members have good things to say about Darlow's Enigma and moschata but these roses are unfortunately not available in Western Australia. I wish I can smell them... maybe when I visit the US next time I can go to a good rose nursery and check out the fragrance myself.
blackspot is highly dependent on local conditions and weather. Hot and dry, you probably will not get blackspot. Cool and wet, you will. BS needs about 8 hours of wet leaves to come alive. So unless you are willing to go out on a rainy day and dry off all your leaves, you cannot prevent them from being wet and getting blackspot.
Here in the SE, almost all roses get blackspot, and I'm afraid that Mr. Lincoln does not display any resistance. It may do better in your zone, but don't be surprised if it does get some blackspot.
Mr. Lincoln was one of the first roses I grew. It came up, flowered with great looking blooms. Two days later all of the petals fell of the blooms. The bush did not have one single rose left with petals. I shovel pruned it but did not get all of the root stock. Not that I didn't try as I dug down at least 2 1/2 feet following a root. I said to myself, if it can come up from down that far it deserves to live...... it came up!!! So I now have Dr. Huey growing. Years later (here on the Gardenweb) I found out his name but at the time it was just another rose. I will never get rid of him as I will not break my promise....
Has anyone else experienced something like this with Mr. Lincoln????
My pot only had one hole in the center, which was clearly insufficient. I drilled 8 on the circumference and widened the one in the center. I used a Black & Decker that I bought for that purpose, and it seemed to work fine. I used the largest drill bit for the holes (half inch). I would also suggest lining the bottom with beach pebble type rocks. As for the plate, if it has a considerably larger diameter than the pot it's ok to use it, but if it's a snug fit then don't. Good luck.
The most common reason for smaller roses is insufficient light--which may be a factor considering that there are plants around it. I've routinely grown stunted plants back to full size--but I typically hide them. For instance, when I created the front rose bed, I made two rows separated by grass. The roses in front were mature plants. This year I moved the grass and stuck in smaller roses between the two older rows! I used to put smaller roses in the back yard--but now the front yard gets more light--now that two maple trees are gone.
Sometimes when transplanting a rose it can shock the roots for several seasons making for a smaller rose bush. It looks pretty healthy in the photo now putting on new growth. I would feed it regularly and perhaps prune it a little less than the other this next spring. I think it will eventually catch up.
About a decade ago, I went to a ParkWayside sale the last weekend in June. They had bareroot roses on sale for $1 each so I did what anyone would do, I bought two each of every rose I didn't have. Over 110 roses. Yep, not 11, 110.
They came home and soaked in the tub, and three wash tubs as I inventoried and figured out what I had.
Then I started planting, in the only place I had, a sunny, hot humid hillside facing south.
They should have had better ammendments, but there were so many.
I watered them. Every three days for the rest of the summer. All broke dormany. All survived. Most thrived, including my hedge of twenty Graham Stuart Thomases.
It was worth the effort.
Wow, I wish for $1 a piece. I would have bought maybe 50 too :).
I have a 55 gallon barrel, so if they don't cancel my order, I'll soak them in that and some superthrive. This would be my second batch of bareroot roses, so hopefully I will do better with these. The first batch of 4, only two might do ok, one is down to it's last cane but with leaves, and the other one I should really toss since it's black.
For the record, I don't have a "ghetto". All my potted roses live in a very high-class neighborhood, lol.
Seriously, I *think* I have *approximately* 25, the last time I *estimated* and before I *rounded up* and *subtracted* and *replaced* and *substituted*. That's even AFTER the raccoon fiasco.
John
Let's see. 2 mini's in decor pots out front, 10 mini's in permanent 7 1/2 pots in the mini/miniflora section on the south side of the house. Another 10 miniflora's in 10 gal. pot in the same section. 4 in my holding section and 5 out in the HT section that will go into the ground starting tomorrow. I only have 1 in a starting pot but that will change a LOT on Monday as I take cuttings and get a bunch started.
Glad your roses are coming back from the dead. Most people don't realize how long it takes when the winter has been so bad. I dug up a wonderful red rose that I just loved last year when I figured it was dead. I should have given it a good 2 months more. I did not know at the time. I feel terrible that I didn't give it a chance.
Well Diane, you know in Macbeth there were a lot of Royal Danes (well OK, Thanes) walking around as ghosts, so you never know. I'll be happy if it merely stands, not walks.
Good to know more than 4 photos is possible, and sometimes I can, sometimes not. The Houzz photo system is nothing if not picky.
Don't regret too much digging roses earlier than needed in the spring JJ & Donna - gardening, particularly with roses, is a process of learning. We can almost always get second chances, and our gardens become stronger and more beautiful as we learn.
Cynthia
Zone 7b is for cane hardiness, the HMF default rating for HTs. The rose will survive some zone 5 winters, but will usually need to be pruned to the ground. There are some HTs that are hardier, for example 'Savoy Hotel'.
Almost all HTs are highly susceptible to blackspot, including DD and Chrysler. One older one that is resistant in most gardens is 'Elina'. 'Prairie Harvest' by Buck is both hardy and BS-resistant, as is 'Mother of Pearl'. Some of the new ones are said to be resistant, including Francis Meilland, Pink Enchantment (Souv. de Baden-Baden), Parole (Buxom Beauty), Grande Dame. Also worth a try in no-spray gardens are Berolina and The McCartney Rose.
Nick - I grow all of the ones you mention and they have survived my zone 5 yard too. Double Delight is VERY late to put out new growth, and all of the ones you mention are not cane hardy. As Michael mentioned, these roses die down to the ground and need all their cane pruned off in spring. Chrysler Imperial grows back well but after about 7 years is a 2-cane wonder with occasional blooms. Double Delight is a scrawny little thing and some years doesn't grow back enough to bloom (sigh). Dream Come True or Heart 'n' Soul are much more reliable "showy" HT roses for me. Tropicana grows back quite quickly, and I'm pleasantly surprised after Corretta's first winter that she seems pretty happy.
All of these should be possible for you in zone 5
Cynthia
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