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My pot only had one hole in the center, which was clearly insufficient. I drilled 8 on the circumference and widened the one in the center. I used a Black & Decker that I bought for that purpose, and it seemed to work fine. I used the largest drill bit for the holes (half inch). I would also suggest lining the bottom with beach pebble type rocks. As for the plate, if it has a considerably larger diameter than the pot it's ok to use it, but if it's a snug fit then don't. Good luck.
The most common reason for smaller roses is insufficient light--which may be a factor considering that there are plants around it. I've routinely grown stunted plants back to full size--but I typically hide them. For instance, when I created the front rose bed, I made two rows separated by grass. The roses in front were mature plants. This year I moved the grass and stuck in smaller roses between the two older rows! I used to put smaller roses in the back yard--but now the front yard gets more light--now that two maple trees are gone.
Sometimes when transplanting a rose it can shock the roots for several seasons making for a smaller rose bush. It looks pretty healthy in the photo now putting on new growth. I would feed it regularly and perhaps prune it a little less than the other this next spring. I think it will eventually catch up.
About a decade ago, I went to a ParkWayside sale the last weekend in June. They had bareroot roses on sale for $1 each so I did what anyone would do, I bought two each of every rose I didn't have. Over 110 roses. Yep, not 11, 110.
They came home and soaked in the tub, and three wash tubs as I inventoried and figured out what I had.
Then I started planting, in the only place I had, a sunny, hot humid hillside facing south.
They should have had better ammendments, but there were so many.
I watered them. Every three days for the rest of the summer. All broke dormany. All survived. Most thrived, including my hedge of twenty Graham Stuart Thomases.
It was worth the effort.
Wow, I wish for $1 a piece. I would have bought maybe 50 too :).
I have a 55 gallon barrel, so if they don't cancel my order, I'll soak them in that and some superthrive. This would be my second batch of bareroot roses, so hopefully I will do better with these. The first batch of 4, only two might do ok, one is down to it's last cane but with leaves, and the other one I should really toss since it's black.
For the record, I don't have a "ghetto". All my potted roses live in a very high-class neighborhood, lol.
Seriously, I *think* I have *approximately* 25, the last time I *estimated* and before I *rounded up* and *subtracted* and *replaced* and *substituted*. That's even AFTER the raccoon fiasco.
John
Let's see. 2 mini's in decor pots out front, 10 mini's in permanent 7 1/2 pots in the mini/miniflora section on the south side of the house. Another 10 miniflora's in 10 gal. pot in the same section. 4 in my holding section and 5 out in the HT section that will go into the ground starting tomorrow. I only have 1 in a starting pot but that will change a LOT on Monday as I take cuttings and get a bunch started.
Glad your roses are coming back from the dead. Most people don't realize how long it takes when the winter has been so bad. I dug up a wonderful red rose that I just loved last year when I figured it was dead. I should have given it a good 2 months more. I did not know at the time. I feel terrible that I didn't give it a chance.
Well Diane, you know in Macbeth there were a lot of Royal Danes (well OK, Thanes) walking around as ghosts, so you never know. I'll be happy if it merely stands, not walks.
Good to know more than 4 photos is possible, and sometimes I can, sometimes not. The Houzz photo system is nothing if not picky.
Don't regret too much digging roses earlier than needed in the spring JJ & Donna - gardening, particularly with roses, is a process of learning. We can almost always get second chances, and our gardens become stronger and more beautiful as we learn.
Cynthia
Zone 7b is for cane hardiness, the HMF default rating for HTs. The rose will survive some zone 5 winters, but will usually need to be pruned to the ground. There are some HTs that are hardier, for example 'Savoy Hotel'.
Almost all HTs are highly susceptible to blackspot, including DD and Chrysler. One older one that is resistant in most gardens is 'Elina'. 'Prairie Harvest' by Buck is both hardy and BS-resistant, as is 'Mother of Pearl'. Some of the new ones are said to be resistant, including Francis Meilland, Pink Enchantment (Souv. de Baden-Baden), Parole (Buxom Beauty), Grande Dame. Also worth a try in no-spray gardens are Berolina and The McCartney Rose.
Nick - I grow all of the ones you mention and they have survived my zone 5 yard too. Double Delight is VERY late to put out new growth, and all of the ones you mention are not cane hardy. As Michael mentioned, these roses die down to the ground and need all their cane pruned off in spring. Chrysler Imperial grows back well but after about 7 years is a 2-cane wonder with occasional blooms. Double Delight is a scrawny little thing and some years doesn't grow back enough to bloom (sigh). Dream Come True or Heart 'n' Soul are much more reliable "showy" HT roses for me. Tropicana grows back quite quickly, and I'm pleasantly surprised after Corretta's first winter that she seems pretty happy.
All of these should be possible for you in zone 5
Cynthia
Hi Jacquie, I don't grow it myself but have several friends that do. It can be tip hardy in mild winters but in colder ones, like the past two, it dies down almost too the ground. They all have it on a trellis of some sort though. It does black spot and in really hot humid weather the blooms can ball up and not open.
after not counting the roses in pots #4, i have 18 roses. 7 fall under #6 and if you count the 2 from cuttings that were given to me, that leaves 9. 1 under #3 and 5 under #5 leaves 3! Rounding down (#7) leaves 2! I'm glad I ordered those 14 from Breck's because I am almost roseless. OH, just realized I'll still only have 2 because of #12. Yipes! I need to buy more roses. kublakan, you will still only have a handful because bareroots don't count. LOL
I would say dig it out and replant it lower. Dig the hole extra large and include lots of good dirt and organic matter. I have found that generally anything can be successfully replanted even if it has bad root structure like my now 13th tomato plant. It just takes great dirt and waaaaaaaaaaater!!!!!! Like every single morning. I have found the biggest set back is often a year of poor growth.
There could be a lot of reasons why it's not growing but I'm sure it took a hard hit from winter. I would dig it out, getting as big a root ball as possible, and replant it at a lower depth. It might set it back again temporarily but in the long run it will do better.
Summer, I was looking at the Wayside website but was put off by so many negative reviews online. I had been thinking of Tranquility, Molinieux & everlasting amethyst hydrangea. I'm just not in the mood of dealing with a hassle if the plants are disappointing. Have you ordered from Wayside?
Yes, I have ordered a lot since I saw John's thread. :-) I received 12 of them so far, and 10 more are on their way, and my rose friend at work just asked me if I wanted to order with her again today, I put down for 3 more. Lol
There are some photos of the roses I received on John's thread . The roots were huge, and the roses all have David Austin's rose tags on them. Some of them are own root roses. I am pretty happy about the roses I received so far, the roots are much bigger than the ones I ordered from David Austin Roses in TX, and I paid about $120 for 4 DA roses 3 weeks ago.
The 10 roses on their way are 6xTranquillity, 1 Alnwick, 2x Carding Mill, 1 Heathcliff.
Happy shopping! :-)
blackspot is highly dependent on local conditions and weather. Hot and dry, you probably will not get blackspot. Cool and wet, you will. BS needs about 8 hours of wet leaves to come alive. So unless you are willing to go out on a rainy day and dry off all your leaves, you cannot prevent them from being wet and getting blackspot.
Here in the SE, almost all roses get blackspot, and I'm afraid that Mr. Lincoln does not display any resistance. It may do better in your zone, but don't be surprised if it does get some blackspot.
Mr. Lincoln was one of the first roses I grew. It came up, flowered with great looking blooms. Two days later all of the petals fell of the blooms. The bush did not have one single rose left with petals. I shovel pruned it but did not get all of the root stock. Not that I didn't try as I dug down at least 2 1/2 feet following a root. I said to myself, if it can come up from down that far it deserves to live...... it came up!!! So I now have Dr. Huey growing. Years later (here on the Gardenweb) I found out his name but at the time it was just another rose. I will never get rid of him as I will not break my promise....
Has anyone else experienced something like this with Mr. Lincoln????