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jasminerose4u, California 9b

I don't see "view", just "Join for Free".

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henry_kuska

On my computer, I am a member so I get to read it directly. On my wife's computer (she is not a member) a small screen appears asking her to join free. After Xing out that small screen, the "view" is still active and clicking it gave the full paper.

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seil zone 6b MI

Three posts, lol!

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phasedweasel(7b)

Thanks - I emailed them this morning, they're the last I haven't heard back from.

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summersrhythm_z6a

Good luck dear! :-)

Also you can try Burlington Roses in CA.

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jerijen(Zone 10)

Put your hand behind the stem, and support it, while washing with water.

Or you can just brush/squish them. If you leave them, as ozmelodye says, birds will eat them.

Don't use pesticide. That's like trying to swat flies with a sledge hammer.

Don't use oils in hot weather, or when hot weather is expected. You will burn the foliage, and do far more damage than a few aphids.

Don't worry. Between birds, predatory insects, and rising temperatures, they will soon be gone.

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henry_kuska

When roses are attacked by aphids, they produce a chemical that repels further aphids.

"Author: MILES P W
Author Address: WAITE AGRIC. RES. INST., UNIV. ADELAIDE, ADELAIDE, S. AUST.
Title: DYNAMIC ASPECTS OF THE CHEMICAL RELATION BETWEEN THE ROSE APHID MACROSIPHUM-ROSAE AND ROSE BUDS
Published in: Entomologia Experimentalis et Applicata, volumn 37, pages 129-136, (1985).
Abstract: "Dynamic aspects of the chemical relation between the rose aphid [Macrosiphum rosae] and rose buds.In warm weather, M. rosae (L.) walks off buds of hybrid tea roses during a critical period coinciding with the opening of the sepals. This behavior could not be related to histologically detectable barriers to feeding, nor to changes in the water content of the tissues or in their composition with respect to total soluble carbohydrate, amino nitrogen or phenolic compounds; major changes in tissue chemistry, effected by spraying the bushes with urea, did not affect the time at which the aphids left the buds. Tissue sap expressed from stems and sepals showed a significant increase in catechin content after, rather than during, the critical period. Once expressed, however, sap from buds at the critical stage showed a sharp in vitro rise in catechin content over a few hours, up to levels approximating those against which the insects discriminated in choice tests. The insects could well be sensitive to a developing capacity of tissue to accumulated catechin, possibly in response to their feeding activity."

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1570-7458.1985.tb03463.x/abstract;jsessionid=9592B0EB479135BE3145694EC09E96AB.f02t01?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false

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seil zone 6b MI

Yep, buds galore here too! It won't be long now before we'll all have pics to share!

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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Blooms started coming the past couple days here...

Yes post pics of your blooms bonny46! :-)

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vasue VA(7A Charlottesville)

Funny you should ask. Been meaning to pose the same question since I picked one up 3 weeks ago. Searching this forum turned up some helpful prior feedback. http://www.gardenweb.com/gardenweb/query/montezuma/topic=roses

As the lone specimen of Montezuma at Lowes, it stood out for its healthy foliage & coral salmon half-open bloom with a detectable fruity fragrance. The name rang a dim memory bell & the sale price of $8 proved irresistible. A nicely branched, properly pruned, grafted potted rose with 3 buds & one fresh bloom at the time, it's tagged as grown by Dewar Nurseries, a wholesale grower in Apopka, FL. http://www.greenhousegrower.com/business-management/dewar-nurseries-making-the-grade/ Like all new arrivals, it went into isolation in a sunny spot where I could keep an eye on it before introduction to the garden. The coral buds opened slowly to salmon blooms that expanded to include a wash of golden pink & held on the bush a good 10 days with the warm days & cooler nights we had. Coral America & strawberry-salmon Rosarium Uetersen/Seminole Wind were coming into bloom near the house & the hues of all three played well together. Snapping off the spent blossoms, noticed more buds coming along & just counted a dozen that will likely open in the next few days. Looks promising...

My old Taylor's Guide to Roses mentions Montezuma "comes very close to the grandiflora ideal...good all season bloom...slightly fragrant...4-1/2-5'...upright, very vigorous, compact and well branched...disease resistant and winter hardy...canes moderately thorny...leaves medium green, leathery, semiglossy".

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nummykitchen(Z5B)

I love my Montezuma! It has been going strong for a few years surviving our brutal winters and constantly giving lots of beautifully shaped coral orange blooms. One that I can count on for that perfect HT rose form that I love.

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rabainsz7bpnw

It's almost 4 yrs.. Very fragrant and in zone 7b

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cadiarose(zone 7a, NJ)

I would guess it's Julia Child. She has shiny leaves like your first photo, loads of blooms like your 2nd photo. A great floribunda to have.

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Blackspot can be controlled by spraying in a tank sprayer a product containing propiconazole (Banner Maxx and other brands) or tebuconazole (Bayer Disease Control for Roses, Flowers, and Shrubs) at two week intervals. Or you can wait it out, as summers in inland Texas are usually too hot for BS to spread a whole lot.

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seil zone 6b MI

You have had so much rain of late that it isn't surprising at all that things are spotting. If you can wait out the weather it should clear up on it's own.

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Carolina P

mmjau, new rose growth is often red. It is only when it is coupled with a few another symptom that you should expect RRV. See the below photo for an example of a rose from my garden that definitely had the virus.

Rose with RRV

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seil zone 6b MI

Many roses have red new growth that turns green as it matures. That alone is not a sign of RRD.

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jasminerose4u, California 9b

Welcome and hello Donna. Well, since we are enabling, here is Tequila Supreme.

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Donna R zone 6a

How pretty she is, Jasiminerose. Beautiful delicate shading…..

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Fish as a foliar spray can burn rose leaves, especially in hot weather. Otherwise, no problem with the simultaneous application, since Rose Tone has a low percentage of fast nitrogen--just some urea in the chicken manure.

About mycorrhizae, the additive is not needed in garden soil, because roses will collect it from the environment, but maybe it would speed things up if this is a new garden area. Either of the application methods you describe should work. If you apply much phosphate fertilizer now or at any time, the rose roots will spurn the symbiotic fungus.

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seil zone 6b MI

If they're both pre-emergents Iwouldn't think so. Those only prevent seeds from germinating.

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jerijen(Zone 10)

In our experience, trying to prune Austin roses down to prevent them being Jolly Green Giants was wholly useless. They just hunkered down and grew back to where they want to go. Better to use them at the size they want to be.

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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

I missed this thread when it started last winter. I watch a couple of TGs in a no-spray garden here where they are pruned as shrubs, just cut back in spring to 3-4'. They are big but not huge monsters. The problem is that the laterals grow 4-6' and flop under the weight of blooms, often breaking themselves. Perhaps the trick would be to combine fairly hard annual pruning with a trellis of moderate size. These plants show pretty good blackspot resistance. Of course, the flowers are huge, gorgeous, and fragrant.

I wonder if the rampant growth reported by some is associated with hot summers, which we don't have here.

Some large Austins do take well to shrub pruning, for example 'Heritage', which made a beautiful 6x6' shrub for me, despite throwing an occasional 8' cane. (I currently have another one as a short climber on a support.)

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seil zone 6b MI

Everyone's opinions will vary and the best thing you can do is experiment a little and see what works best for you.

Wirosarian, I've read that piece and have to say that I've recently stopped putting the styrofoam packing peanuts in the bottoms of the pots. I haven't noticed any difference in how the roses do so I will not be adding them from now on.

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reesepbuttercup 7a- Utah

Vasue: thanks for your advice. the soil here is somewhat sandy I believe. Not beach sandy obviously, more desert like. I'm actually new to the area so I don't know a whole lot about it. The new home is in a development which is built on land from a former mine. I'm pretty sure there has been a fair amount of fill added, but it still looks sandy with lots of little rocks. So for planting soil considerations while potted, I guess I should look for something well draining? Not really sure.

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Sara-Ann Z6B OK

Such a pretty rose, love the color.

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ozmelodye(Z10 S-E Australia)

I looked up this rose in some Aussie rose catalogues and it seems she is heat tolerant, the flowers hold well during hot weather and is regarded as an exhibition rose. I have seen her potted in nurseries and home hardware store garden centres and she has always looked healthy. I noticed on 1 rose ordering site that she is already sold out for 2015, so is obviously popular. I have been tempted, but I already have enough roses in this colour range ( if that is possible). I find that my roses often just take a rest in the very hottest weather.

Melodye.

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