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I missed this thread when it started last winter. I watch a couple of TGs in a no-spray garden here where they are pruned as shrubs, just cut back in spring to 3-4'. They are big but not huge monsters. The problem is that the laterals grow 4-6' and flop under the weight of blooms, often breaking themselves. Perhaps the trick would be to combine fairly hard annual pruning with a trellis of moderate size. These plants show pretty good blackspot resistance. Of course, the flowers are huge, gorgeous, and fragrant.
I wonder if the rampant growth reported by some is associated with hot summers, which we don't have here.
Some large Austins do take well to shrub pruning, for example 'Heritage', which made a beautiful 6x6' shrub for me, despite throwing an occasional 8' cane. (I currently have another one as a short climber on a support.)
Everyone's opinions will vary and the best thing you can do is experiment a little and see what works best for you.
Wirosarian, I've read that piece and have to say that I've recently stopped putting the styrofoam packing peanuts in the bottoms of the pots. I haven't noticed any difference in how the roses do so I will not be adding them from now on.
Vasue: thanks for your advice. the soil here is somewhat sandy I believe. Not beach sandy obviously, more desert like. I'm actually new to the area so I don't know a whole lot about it. The new home is in a development which is built on land from a former mine. I'm pretty sure there has been a fair amount of fill added, but it still looks sandy with lots of little rocks. So for planting soil considerations while potted, I guess I should look for something well draining? Not really sure.
I looked up this rose in some Aussie rose catalogues and it seems she is heat tolerant, the flowers hold well during hot weather and is regarded as an exhibition rose. I have seen her potted in nurseries and home hardware store garden centres and she has always looked healthy. I noticed on 1 rose ordering site that she is already sold out for 2015, so is obviously popular. I have been tempted, but I already have enough roses in this colour range ( if that is possible). I find that my roses often just take a rest in the very hottest weather.
Melodye.
Yeah, my Eden gets a bit of BS, but nothing it doesn't shake off fine here. I have him in really good sun now, because that also helped with the re-bloom. Mine looks so pretty right now! Last year he didn't even bloom because he got zapped so short by the polar vortex. I was afraid he might be Dr Huey. But no :) He's better than ever!
I have Red Eden, too, and we're definitely humid here. Mine doesn't really ball, exactly, but his petals may need help opening. The thing is, the petals stay fresh and pretty, but he can just take forever to open. My Cinderella Fairytale and Cl Clotilde Soupert both have some real balling right now, where the petals turn icky in the ball shape, but my Red Eden just needed a little loosening with my fingers and he looks great :) I do believe he really balls in lots of places, no doubt. But for me, the freshness of the petals makes a huge difference here.
I do love globular roses, though. He's about as globular as it gets, and that's part of his problem for some folks, I think! Without help opening, he can tend to look like a bunch of Christmas ornaments :D
They can eat a ton if they find your roses, yep! But I leave the butterfly ones, too. I have a big enough yard that they can go on my herbs, where I don't mind them stripping a whole plant bare for their survival. I very rarely find them on my other plants like roses anyway. They prefer their own host plants or favorite food plants, and I grow those for them (or they are already here naturally) :) It does help a lot! 99% of the time, that's where they are.
It's one of the myrrh-scented Austins. Some people don't like that scent even outside on the bush, lol. It's possible that after cutting, the top notes burn off and the more undesirable, underlying fragrance comes through. The chemistry of scent (in this case, *odor*), is mystifying.
John
I had this same thing happen with a Munstead Wood rose that had been in the vase for maybe 3 days, I thought the smell was coming from my kitchen trash can, so I completely cleaned and scrubbed it out to no avail, I was so confused! Turns out it was coming from the small bouquet nearby that was a little past it's prime, boy did it smell bad for something that at one time smelled delicious! Live & learn!
It's hard to be definitive without the blooms, but all of what you describe is consistent with Laguna as I know it. Remember that climbers often grow more slowly than a comparable rose HT or shrub, as they need to put down more extensive roots. Also, disease resistant doesn't mean entirely disease free,and you might get a few spots here and there like you have here - this is still a very healthy rose in great shape. Nothing like the blackspot on a truly troubled rose.
Laguna may grow fast for a climber, but it may not put out the longer canes or bloom much for another year or so. Climbers require patience, but your bush is off to a great start. Palatine is a great source for roses, and I think they're the only company I've regularly ordered from among about 5-6 sources that has never mixed up or mislabeled a rose.
Looks good!
Cynthia
Well whatdya know! I always learn a ton here on GW, and I didn't think to look that closely at the Grande Dame sprouting entity. Yep, even to my clueless eyes that doesn't look much like rose foliage. It'll get clipped off today, assuming I haven't already planted it (I probably broke it off taking it out of the pot anyway). Thanks so much Beth & Ann for cluing me in!
Ann - that's interesting about English Miss, since your zone is a bit warmer and presumably friendlier than mine. We have loamy clay, so I'll see if she's any happier up here. I get no credit for the lovely canes - that was Roses Unlimited, and their roses this year were especially HUGE with canes like bamboo rods for the most part. I think Pat still has some more if you feel like giving it another try.
I appreciate the help!
Cynthia
It would be very useful to know what climate you are in, and whether the rose was planted in clay-like soil. One possibility is the roots could have been sitting in a pool of water if the soil does not have good drainage. Yellow-color rose bushes often tend to be more vulnerable to root rot. It also depends what specific variety of rose it was, several varieties of yellow roses easily shatter and lose their petals after a hard rain.
Knowing where you live is very important in knowing what possible problems your roses might have. Could you please post some photos to help us diagnose the problem? How did you plant the roses? What is your soil like? The more information you can give us the better we'll be able to help you.
Fish as a foliar spray can burn rose leaves, especially in hot weather. Otherwise, no problem with the simultaneous application, since Rose Tone has a low percentage of fast nitrogen--just some urea in the chicken manure.
About mycorrhizae, the additive is not needed in garden soil, because roses will collect it from the environment, but maybe it would speed things up if this is a new garden area. Either of the application methods you describe should work. If you apply much phosphate fertilizer now or at any time, the rose roots will spurn the symbiotic fungus.