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They can eat a ton if they find your roses, yep! But I leave the butterfly ones, too. I have a big enough yard that they can go on my herbs, where I don't mind them stripping a whole plant bare for their survival. I very rarely find them on my other plants like roses anyway. They prefer their own host plants or favorite food plants, and I grow those for them (or they are already here naturally) :) It does help a lot! 99% of the time, that's where they are.
It's one of the myrrh-scented Austins. Some people don't like that scent even outside on the bush, lol. It's possible that after cutting, the top notes burn off and the more undesirable, underlying fragrance comes through. The chemistry of scent (in this case, *odor*), is mystifying.
John
I had this same thing happen with a Munstead Wood rose that had been in the vase for maybe 3 days, I thought the smell was coming from my kitchen trash can, so I completely cleaned and scrubbed it out to no avail, I was so confused! Turns out it was coming from the small bouquet nearby that was a little past it's prime, boy did it smell bad for something that at one time smelled delicious! Live & learn!
It's hard to be definitive without the blooms, but all of what you describe is consistent with Laguna as I know it. Remember that climbers often grow more slowly than a comparable rose HT or shrub, as they need to put down more extensive roots. Also, disease resistant doesn't mean entirely disease free,and you might get a few spots here and there like you have here - this is still a very healthy rose in great shape. Nothing like the blackspot on a truly troubled rose.
Laguna may grow fast for a climber, but it may not put out the longer canes or bloom much for another year or so. Climbers require patience, but your bush is off to a great start. Palatine is a great source for roses, and I think they're the only company I've regularly ordered from among about 5-6 sources that has never mixed up or mislabeled a rose.
Looks good!
Cynthia
Well whatdya know! I always learn a ton here on GW, and I didn't think to look that closely at the Grande Dame sprouting entity. Yep, even to my clueless eyes that doesn't look much like rose foliage. It'll get clipped off today, assuming I haven't already planted it (I probably broke it off taking it out of the pot anyway). Thanks so much Beth & Ann for cluing me in!
Ann - that's interesting about English Miss, since your zone is a bit warmer and presumably friendlier than mine. We have loamy clay, so I'll see if she's any happier up here. I get no credit for the lovely canes - that was Roses Unlimited, and their roses this year were especially HUGE with canes like bamboo rods for the most part. I think Pat still has some more if you feel like giving it another try.
I appreciate the help!
Cynthia
It would be very useful to know what climate you are in, and whether the rose was planted in clay-like soil. One possibility is the roots could have been sitting in a pool of water if the soil does not have good drainage. Yellow-color rose bushes often tend to be more vulnerable to root rot. It also depends what specific variety of rose it was, several varieties of yellow roses easily shatter and lose their petals after a hard rain.
Knowing where you live is very important in knowing what possible problems your roses might have. Could you please post some photos to help us diagnose the problem? How did you plant the roses? What is your soil like? The more information you can give us the better we'll be able to help you.
thanks to all who, as usual, help us newbies. let me address some of the comments - this ko gets 6 hours sunlight, wasnt even fertilized this year as I moved it in January, 2015, has never died back, is own root, is surrounded with other kos that bloom constantly, has both 5 and 7 leaflets, has no signs of infestation, is absolutely a healthy plant. It didnt bloom last year either which was why I moved it, years before it had bloomed like kos should. Dont know what to do with this rose.
Thanks for your thoughts/suggestions michaelg! I'm in Northern Virginia. I thought when I filled out the profile part on where you live & what zone that it would've transferred to the post? The purplish spots on the leaves actuality started off looking like tiny specks of pepper all over the leaves (prior to any sprays/treatments). Which is why I thought spider mites at first. I did a lot searching for what I am dealing w/not only on my roses but my lilies & clematis as well. I wish there was a zoom in opt. for photos on here. When the photo of the flower is not zoomed in it just looked like little black specks everywhere but when you zoom in there were many tiny holes in the stamens, the center looked like mush w/possible eggs of some sort (w/o my camera I would not have been able to see any of this except for the mushy/unhealthy look to the center of the rose). It also had what looked like tiny black/brown bugs clumped together (all blooms have since been cut off & thrown away). I have more photos I just didn't want to overload my post.
I agree with MichaelG about not to rush to a barrage of remedies. The garden center wants to sell you a few bottles. I think it is important to have good natural healthy soil. You can trust Michaelg to what works better than us northern posters because he in the same region.
Compost can be purchased. It is important. After Sevin had been applied and bayer3 and 1 and soap and alcohol. Healthy soil mayneed to be reintroduced.
Sam
I don't think the "Paradise" is Beverly. It has more of a cat bowl/saucer shape to it (I wish it were Beverly, that think is beautiful). I think we have a winner...oh no, sorry, wrong thread, lol...but I think you are correct with Sovenir de Baden-Baden. It is extremely healthy and the blooms look very similar to those posted on HMF.
Thanks for all your help!
I agree with you guys on the SVR DE BADEN-BADEN. That's kind of a distinct rose. Not sure what the pink one could be tho. Definitely not BEVERLY or CROWD PLEASER. Looks like it opens up almost like a camellia and has distinct ponts on the petal tips. Should be easy to ID with characteristics like that. But I can't place it.
I lived on Oahu and used to walk home. There is concrete jungle effect where certain parts of the city are really warm--no matter what the forecast says. Do you actually get fungal diseases? The flip side of a concrete jungle is that your roses may not stay wet long enough to get BS. Or maybe you could just cover or move them if you rarely have evening rains.
It rains indiscriminate of weather forecasts because I am in a valley so Blackspot is definitely an issue for me, as are thrips and spider mites.
I am currently monitoring how much I water to make sure I'm not overwatering, and give a water spray blast every morning on the leaves of my roses to encourage new growth.
I am struggling with whether I should give it a week or two to rest from chemical/add-in help fertilizer, or if I should spray.
I'm going to give away my Daconil because I never really liked the residue anyway and go back to using the Bayer Disease Control and I think I have the Safer Fungicide somewhere too. I have never heard of Benlate.
If anyone's experience the same type of damage to their roses, please let me know what you've done, what experiences you've had with bringing them back from death, etc.
OOOHHHHH!!! SO pretty! Well, theres another one to add to my wishlist! Do either Eden or White Eden have any blackspot for anyone on the east coast? If not then this is a definite must have for me!
Yeah, my Eden gets a bit of BS, but nothing it doesn't shake off fine here. I have him in really good sun now, because that also helped with the re-bloom. Mine looks so pretty right now! Last year he didn't even bloom because he got zapped so short by the polar vortex. I was afraid he might be Dr Huey. But no :) He's better than ever!
I have Red Eden, too, and we're definitely humid here. Mine doesn't really ball, exactly, but his petals may need help opening. The thing is, the petals stay fresh and pretty, but he can just take forever to open. My Cinderella Fairytale and Cl Clotilde Soupert both have some real balling right now, where the petals turn icky in the ball shape, but my Red Eden just needed a little loosening with my fingers and he looks great :) I do believe he really balls in lots of places, no doubt. But for me, the freshness of the petals makes a huge difference here.
I do love globular roses, though. He's about as globular as it gets, and that's part of his problem for some folks, I think! Without help opening, he can tend to look like a bunch of Christmas ornaments :D