22,153 Garden Web Discussions | Roses
Ha! cjrosaphile. I love that expression, and I totally agree. I still have to prune my two Julias, and I dread it. There are so dang many canes on those roses it's just solid rose, and they really need some thinning. Diane
Yep, did mine yesterday and had comments on 263 that I currently have and have grown for years, and noticed another perhaps 200 that I have grown but don't have enough experience on to be making definitive statements. I agree with Jeri that this is really important! In several cases, I would notice a rose that is wonderful for me having basement ratings, or something that is a dog for me getting glowing ratings. Remember that the original Roses in Review ratings could be based on only a few responders, since they're often new roses without a chance to be widely grown, so it's important to adjust the ratings like they do. Of course different roses grow differently across various zones, but these ratings are intended to reflect the variety of conditions and locations for roses grown. Since the ratings get used by people around the world, I don't see any reason they wouldn't welcome your input as well, Malorena!
It's a simple process, just judging if the scores listed should be increased or decreased by various intervals. There are a lot of common roses on there - Peace, Veteran's Honor, Darlow's Enigma, Abraham Darby to mention a few - so odds are there will be a few that you grow even if you don't have a huge garden. Do it! It's also interesting to see what roses you grow or are considering are rated, even though you don't necessarily have to agree. It was reassuring to see quite a few that bit the dust unmercifully in my yard getting dreadful ratings. Maybe it's not just me (smile)
Cynthia
She is listed as Guinevere on the floribunda list on Roses Unlimited's website.
ok, I promised myself I was going to let my roses get through their leap year this year and see where I landed before purchasing any more. I may have to break that promise for this rose....
PLEASE post photos when you get blooms! She is gorgeous!
Thanks Patty W!
Thanks Seil, music to my ears! I was hoping that may be the case, even though they recommend 24 hrs with no rain (which was the plan). No leaves yet, just spraying the canes/soil. Either way, I'd have to wait a prescribed time to spray again and use a lesser amount w/water. We'll see.
I saw on one of these other forums someone used a round cow hay bale feeder for a moon/gate door. Might work as well for an arch. If you could find one used on Craig's List or somewhere and paint it how you wanted...even better. They are expensive new.
I have put ads up on Craigslist for wanted things and got really good deals. I bought a wine cooler dirt cheap so I could take all the insides out and turn it into a egg incubator.
http://forums.gardenweb.com/discussions/1372419/moon-gates?n=3
Roses were quite often kept as house plants in Sweden when living rooms were kept very cold and hardly lived in except at Christmas and other special occasions. Hermosa was a common variety. A tea rose growing in a village in the far north of the country was discovered in 2006 during the national survey of old cultivated plants that ran from 2005 to 2010. It is not known how the rose came to Mrs Anna Sofia Vestman who died in 1932. It was inherited by her daughter Vera who gave it to Mr Bo Önell in the late 60ies. He has given away cuttings locally for many years. The rose is put outside in summer and spends winters indoors in a cold room. Mr Önell was awarded the Golden Pea in 2008 for his growing skills:
Thank-you Ingrid. The work that Alistair and Suzanne do with these donkeys is amazing. It is heartwarming to visit just to collect some manure, but find that the newest donkey, that was a poor, frightened, damaged beast when it first arrived, is now settled in, approachable, well and friendly.
Also, I was hoping to send the tone of these posts in a new direction. Doesn't look as though it worked!
Daisy
It was a good try though, Daisy, and Ingrid... :¬)
Sam. If you're finding a particular forum member's line of enquiries or personality tiresome, may I suggest you simply don't bother reading and answering them? After all, life's too short ...unless of course you're a slightly obsessed stalker/ troller - I hope that's not the case here.
As has already been pointed out, this forum is intended to be for the (generally pretty amiable) discussion of roses and rose-growing; not for the persistent pursuit of personal vendettas/ interrogations.
Or, as we say in Australia, 'Give it a rest, Mate...!'
Comtesse :¬)
If they were mine, I would GENTLY, trying not to disturb what few roots the poor things still have, transplant them all into MUCH BIGGER clay pots. Then I would cut the roses down by about half - the damaged roots cannot support so much top growth. The top growth will grow back if you give the roots a chance to grow first. NO FOOD, NO POISONS, just water. They must be put outside in the sun, without any saucer under the pot (the roots will rot otherwise), so it can drain. Then just leave them completely alone except to make sure the soil stays moist (not sopping). They should "do nothing" for about a month, while they are growing roots you cannot see. Then if they have survived, they will start to put out some leaves. That is when you can feed them, but only half strength from the directions. Rose food only, no "2 in 1", or "3 in 1" products. Good luck!
Jackie
Hello everyone, thank you for the comments. I did put drain holes on the bottom, but maybe they needed to be bigger. I also did not fertilize at full strength, but I do think the one that's completely dying got a bit more than the others. I'll re-pot and prune and hope for the best!
Are we talking about Above and Beyond or Above All? I believe they are both new climbers coming out this year.
Above and Beyond appears to be a pale apricot that blooms in large clusters of small flowers being handled by Bailey Nurseries.
Above All seems to be a large flowered orange blend handled by Weeks.
I am confused because the pictures above look like Above All and not Above and Beyond.
That's the problem with buying from any of the big box stores. They get the roses in earlier than you can plant and they get no care so they don't last long. If you catch them when they first come in grab what you want right away and get them home so you can keep them watered. If it's too early to put them out find a dark spot in a garage or shed and keep them there but do water them or they'll dry out and die. I did like some of the roses they got in the first couple of years. They weren't just the baggy roses but boxed in peat pots so there was some soil around the roots. They also had some tree roses and that's where I got my Baby Blanket standard. But as I said earlier, the last few years they only got a handful of Knock Outs in and last year I don't remember even seeing those. My guess is they took a loss on all the ones that died in the store because they brought them in too soon to plant around here so they stopped carrying them.
I forgot to mention the bareroot roses I purchased locally last year: Sally Holmes, America Cl, Tiffany and Don Juan, they all got winter killed pretty bad, almost to the ground. I thinkJoseph's Coat is totally gone. Out of 6 Americ Cl, only one still alive. Has anyone grow Sally Holmes in zone 5-6? I set up two 12-13' towers for 2 Sally Holmes, are they going to make it (to cover the towers)?
Another thing you can do with roses like these that want to climb or reach for the sun is to train the primary canes horizontally. You can either attach the canes to a surface behind them (like a trellis or pillar), or peg the canes to the ground in a fountain type shape. Paul Zimmerman has a nice video you can google about this. The reason they're blooming only on the end is that the rose puts its energies into the highest canes. When the main canes get horizontal, it will grow more laterals (side branches off the main canes, as Seil mentions), and those will flower a lot more along the length of the cane. You probably want to keep some primary canes unpruned with this method, if you want to encourage blooms this year, but you can always prune out underperforming canes or the oldest canes every year to increase blooms.
Cynthia
I'd prune them now before they leaf out, cut them back so they will branch out and get bushier with the summer's growth. They will still flower this year on the old wood that remains, just lower down. Since they only flower at the top, you aren't really losing any flowers by pruning them now, it's just more compact. And it'll be more self-supporting when it blooms. Long and leggy is likely to fall over in full bloom, especially when wet, or need staking.
The other thing you can do if you leave some long canes is to peg them horizontally so you get blooms along the stem. That will increase your blooms this year and you can cut them back after blooming to encourage a more bushy shape.