22,152 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

A friend of mine lives in Palm Springs and has the Climber Butterscotch, its fabulous there!!

Steve...

..I think, if I lived in Palm Springs, and I probably wouldn't say 'no' from Nov-March... then I'd want something other than Austin's, which I can grow quite happily over here...

...I don't know...maybe 'Marechal Niel'...'clg. Lady Hillingdon'... 'Alexander Hill Grey'....?

Seil have you looked at the Northland Rosarium climbing roses. Since they are zone5 and grow the roses that they sell. She gives information on repeat, health, fragrance and how they grow there. She has some nice ones.

I know you're right, Patty, and in most winters I will have some surviving canes. What I need to know is that in those "not most" winters the plant itself will survive. And thanks for the tip on Northland. I had forgotten about them and need to go peruse their catalog!

Yes, Mad, I know you're right. Explorers, Explorers, Explorers...but none of them really float my boat as far as blooms are concerned. Most of them are rather ho hum looking. I want big luscious showy blooms!

Thanks, Sara, good info from a kindred zoner! I will check out Celeste's roses.

OK, Kate, will take a look at Ghislaine de Feligonde!

Lol, sultry, you are a bad girl! But hey, we've all done it! It looks nice and healthy and the potted ones are usually better than the bagged ones so I'd say good for you!

Don Juan does pretty well in the heat, but the reflected heat off that patio in the summer will be an issue. Not sure what you can do to solve that.

Our Don Juan is every old and on Doc Huey, he does manage to reach 7 or 8 feet, but stops shortly after that. Maybe if he got more water he would grow more? or maybe not. He is in the ground, near the hose bib and under a lot of mulch.

It looks like Rosa Indica Major to me. Its Chinese name was something sounding like Fun Juan Lo (if you pronounce the J as 'Zh'). This rose was 'discovered' and brought over from China to the West in the early part of the 19th Century. It has had many names and its precise botanic origin is unclear. Being very tough and resilient to heat and drought - though not to cold - and being very easy to root, it has been much used as an understock in warm areas such as South Australia and (apparently) California. It is somewhat prone to mildew, but this doesn't seem to affect overall health if left untreated. It often swamps and then survives the grafted rose, so is a common sight in old neglected gardens here.

It blooms early in spring, with those lovely airy puffballs of ivory irregularly suffused or blotched with pale carmine pink, borne on those similarly airy, gracefully arching canes, for a few weeks only each year. It has been noted that if it were a repeat bloomer, it might rank among the great shrub roses. The scent, to my nose, was only faint.

Whether you want to keep it, and how you want to grow it, is pretty much up to you. I have seen it looking very pretty grown up and over a cottage garden arch. I love its natural fountain shape, however it may produce larger flowers if kept trimmed back. Or you could just take out the oldest, thickest canes at the base each year, immediately after flowering as Jeri and others have said (it doesn't usually set hips). This would keep it a bit smaller without losing its natural graceful shape. Espaliering it against the fence to keep it more 2-dimensional, would be very feasible, maybe still letting it keep its natural curves. If you have room to plant other things in front of it, it should make a nice glossy green background for most of the year, with its annual few weeks of glory to look forward to each spring.

I took mine out (it was here - a rootstock escape - when I bought this house) and I do still miss it...

Comtesse :¬)

Burlingarden - Congratulations! I agree that it is probably 'Rosa Indica Major', a rose which was found in China prior to 1811. If you go to the web site Help Me Find/roses, you will see many pictures of it. Also, you will see that it has 8-10 different names. This happens when roses are so nice & popular that they get re-named all over the many places where they grow. Comtessedelacouche and others above give good advice about pruning it, GENTLY or not at all, and only after it finishes blooming. Tying it up to your fence or on some sort of trellis is also a good idea. Such a beautiful rose!

Jackie

Thanks for all the advice. As it happens I'm only moving it a few inches, but to a deeper space and a bit more sun (shade from a nearby bush means a few inches matter). I'll do my best to keep the rootball intact, the roots were very wide originally.

Will wait to fertilize till it comes back and try not to worry ; )

Btw Im in Northern CA, and have a feeling all 3 new roses are a bit too high. I hope the others could be fine with some soil piled up to the bud union.

Thanks!

It helps to move them towards evening or in cloudy weather which you probably wouldn't have now. Many people will provide shade while the rose recovers.That could be as simple as a lawn chair. Or shade cloth over a plant support. A product such as wilt proof works well.

Ooooh!!! I'm soooo excited to be getting that rose this summer!!!!! Gorgeous rose Lee!!!!

Carol

I am a huge fan of Munstead Wood roses. I have a small row of them and couldn't be happier. Very fragrant. The color is pretty consistent although it tends to be darker at the end of the summer. They are susceptible to black spot, but I am not the most diligent person when it comes to spraying. It holds up well when it rains here in CT.

Thank you everyone for your help!
Mustbnuts...I love your roses. How beautiful. You must have a lovely garden.

I'm going today to look at roses weather permitting. I'm hoping it doesn't rain all weekend so I can.plant on Monday. I work all weekend so that's a no go. I definitely want to try and pot roses as well. Alongside my walkway by my entrance. All sun most of the day. At least 6 hours.

I was a bit intimidated but you've all been so helpful and kind. I will be scouring the net for information and YouTube for how to's lol.
I really want a pretty garden!

Elizabeth, they may not be available locally, but take a look at the TAMU list of Earth-Kind Roses. http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/earthkindroses/cultivars/

Ok, time fore my $.02 worth. Would you consider staggering two different roses along the fence. Belinda's Dream, Knock Out, Belinda"s Dream, Knock Out. Like that all the way along the fence. Easy care, beautiful effect.

Out of 250 carefree roses, 150-170 of them are Knock Out roses, I started with 100 of them, then added more for their fast repeat colors( they have 5 different colors). I also have about 250 old garden roses, ramblers, some of them I purchsed as rose bands, still small. I have never got infected from rose thorns, I live in a house hugged by thousands of blooms and also thousands of thorns. :-) I have been taking care of roses for about 8 years. I love them all. It's just people's taste in food, cars and scooter, motorcycles. I don't like Harleys, there are so many of them and everywhere, but I love Knock outs they are everywhere too, I grow them for their fast repeat colors. So far they're the fastest rebloomers in my garden. I will add more old garden roses and more other kind of carefree roses this year. Happy gardening everyone! :-) Cheers

I would like to know how big this rose grows down south. Mine is in a pot - cant decide where to plant it - I understand it gets really big - anyone have any information on this?

Judith

Every thing I've read so far has this rose being quite large down south. Paul Zimmermon has a photo on line of the one he lost to rrv. It looked to be about 6'h x8 or 10' wide. Wish Help Me Find had comments from everyone on growth and other goodies about their roses. My photos on aren't that good on HMF but I now add a comment about growth and health in my garden. Hoping it may help someone decide if they wish to plant a variety.

For what's worth Paul said he has had about a 50% survival rate on rrv infections when he can catches it early while the infections is showing high up on one cane by removing the cane. This is good to hear and also how I saved one rose.

subk3 thanks for the Ivors Rose suggestion.

Thanks every one for your help it is appreciated.

Your Sharifa is beautiful! It sounds like Sharifa would be more compatible with LEH. I read that LEH also gets a little resentment in super hot weather and may slow down growth in the heat of summer. So the Sharifa and LEH could prob go into some afternoon shade here together.

I think I will put PAoK in full sun. I just need to figure out what else to plant by her now lol. I have them all in pots for now but am trying to figure out where to put the flower beds and roses according to their size and needs. I have lots of room and sun/shade possibilities so I want to get this as 'right' as possible the first time so I won't have to move stuff around later. I have more shade/dappled sun than straight sun areas close to the house but I do have a few areas of full sun. I have some super sunny areas but they are way out by the street (an acre away) so I want to plant closer to the house first so we can enjoy them. Too many huge oak and pine trees here (plus all their roots) grrr.

I ordered Princess Alexandra this year and she's just started budding. She took off rather quickly. Can't wait to see the blooms, although the buds look small. I hope they don't stay too tiny, as I'm hoping for big blooms. Sometimes bud size can be deceiving though.

Thanks, all! I did pull it back far, and it's a good thing I did. It was keeping things quite moist and it's been downright warm since that last cold night.

I think next year I'll probably put it on right before the super-cold nights and pull it back after them, just to be safe. I didn't put it on until we were solidly into winter, but the really bad nights were so few that I should probably not leave it on as many weeks as I did.

So far, I don't have more canker showing than normal, so that part is good!

Glad this worked for you to pull it off now , and it sounds like you've learned some good things for your yard and protection toward next year.

Cynthia

Thanks for the info. I didn't realize she was so new. I think I will wait a bit to get her since I just got Julia Child. Jacqueline I do have a rose society about 35 miles away but they meet at night and I'd have to drive highway and I just don't drive highway at night anymore if I don't have to. I'll keep watching the site to see if anyone is posting updates.

I put mine in last year but I don't have any bloom pictures since I disbud in the first year. The foliage was nice, though, and it has so far stayed pretty mannerly.

Cynthia

I have Solero V. & I like the color, a clear yellow but as nippstress says, "it fades". It is an ADR rose but last year it had a touch of BS in my garden but it seems to resist BS because the rose next to it had BS much worse as well as several other roses in my garden. The one habit it has that doesn't please me is that the bush tends to sprawl & open up in the center.

Solero Vigorosa is nice with good color and disease resistance, but it is still quite small (read "short") here. We'll see how it matures in the next two years.
Purple Rain may be moving out of my garden. Yes, it is healthy and a good bloomer but the color is not as it was described at all...and I do not like it one bit. The flowers are small clusters of a very odd shade of pink. Bleah! I would say that unless you've seen it in person and just adore it, don't waste your money experimenting on it.