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atmoscat

Thanks everyone for your helpful input! Michaelg, that's exactly what's happening. Susan, it's more about cluelessness than restraint!

It sounds like the best thing for me to do is just be patient and let it settle in this year. I'll give it one more light feeding (I'll look for a granular organic rose or root formula) and then allow it to wind down for the year. Looking forward to lots of flowers next year (or the year after)!

    Bookmark   August 19, 2014 at 1:24PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Sounds good.

About the yellow leaves at the base--if they are solid yellow, it's probably just old leaves being ditched by the plant because they are heavily shaded. If there are dark spots, it's probably cercospora spot, which you can safely ignore. One thing to be alert for, though, is spider mites. 'The Fairy' is particularly susceptible. Infested leaves have a gray-bronze cast with pale stippling on the top surface, and the lower surface looks dirty.

    Bookmark   August 19, 2014 at 2:15PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Seil is correct--you cannot make repeat-blooming roses stop growing. They are naturally evergreen and ever-blooming, and will not stop until they are bludgeoned by a hard freeze. However, when night temperatures fall into the 40s, they will start toughening up for winter, insofar as they are capable.

Most once-blooming roses are deciduous and will drop leaves in response to the days growing short.

In neither case can the gardener control these processes. The old theories about this are not true.

    Bookmark   August 19, 2014 at 9:43AM
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terratoma(7a)

Thanks to all for your suggestions.
Based on these recommendations, I plan to continue my regular feeding regimen into early October.

    Bookmark   August 19, 2014 at 11:54AM
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alameda/zone 8

Hope your DH heals well - healing takes time, impatience is the nemesis of getting well, so hope he gives himself plenty of time.

I have both roses - I really think I like Belinda's Dream a little better - totally disease proof foliage which it never loses even in heat of summer, and really pumps out the blooms all the time. I was just trimming mine back yesterday, buds all over it. If this rose had fragrance, it would be THE perfect rose. I have and really like Quietness - and its a good rose, but if I had to pick, it would be Belinda hand's down. I bought a few more to put around the yard just because its such a beautiful rose AND a good looking shrub.

My granddaughter Addison, who is 3, seems to have inherited both the gardening gene and the horse loving gene! How lucky can I get? Already got her a bomb proof broke pony, and she loves all my Miniature horses, and loves being outside "helping" me garden!

I have a pink rose bed too........edged in dwarf boxwoods. Apricot is my favorite color rose, but I adore this pink bed!
Judith

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 12:00PM
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Kes Z 7a E Tn

Thanks, Alameda. That helps. Your pink rose bed sounds delightful! Apricot roses are also my favorite but there are so many wonderful pink roses. I wish I could grow more of them.

Addison sounds delightful. Granddaughters are a gift, aren't they? And you're right about DH needing patience. It isn't his strong suit but he's handling it better than I thought.

    Bookmark   August 19, 2014 at 10:54AM
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boncrow66

Ahh the LIST.....mine is ever changing lol. I start a new one only ever other day and probably will until I actually order or make a trip to Chamblees. But right now I know for sure I want Charlotte, Tamora, Alnwick, Mrs. B R Cant and archduke Charles, and Marriotta, the rest of the list is still under construction :).

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 10:10PM
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ken-n.ga.mts(7a/7b)

Whoops!! I forgot my up coming mini/miniflora order from Heirloom; 1 Fancy Pants, 1 Giggles, 1Sweet Melody, 1 Sweet Revenge and the miniflora Will-o-the-Wisp.

    Bookmark   August 19, 2014 at 9:31AM
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Kippy(SoCal zone 10. Sunset Zone 24)

Mine seems to hate the heat and I think that is what slowed it down so much

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 10:04AM
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bart_2010(8/9 Italy)

Thanks for starting this thread, Frances. I want to get both of these roses this fall,but knowing about habit is always essential,and this is info that's hard to find. I hope some others who grow these roses will weigh in...

    Bookmark   August 19, 2014 at 7:38AM
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canadian_rose(zone 3a)

Beautiful!!!! One of my fav roses.
Carol

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 2:53AM
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susan4952(5)

Beautiful!

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 10:09PM
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Prettypetals_GA_7-8

I agree with double pink knock out.

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 5:40PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I agree KO.

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 9:10PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Old garden roses with damask or portland ancestry can show similar symptoms when they have a bad case of blackspot fungus. Do you know the name of your rose? If your plant is growing actively, do you find the symptom or the older or the newer leaves?

    Bookmark   August 17, 2014 at 11:11AM
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susan4952(5)

Looks like a particularly virulent case of bs.

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 5:00PM
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henry_kuska

nastarana, perhaps your opinion of Dr. Buck's roses was distorted if your samples were infected with one or more viruses. My original copy of Carefree Beauty was fabulous. Later I purchased another which was nowhere close to the original.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2014 at 8:47PM
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true_blue(Mtl Can Zone 4b)

Newroses, I was sort of surprised by your comment. Why do you think Canadians don't support their local business?

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 4:07PM
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patricianat

Reine de Violettes was thornless for me. Crepuscule x3 were thornless. One of four grew thorns but at an elderly age, not an abundance. Heritage was completely thornless for me. I had 3, one of my first roses and neither ever had a thorn. Grandmother's Hat (for me) had prickles, no thorns. Zephy D had a few prickles, only on very old canes as she aged (you know like an older man who needs the ear hairs pulled). Lady Banks thornless for me. I have had Fortuniana plants that were completely thornless and some that were virtual spines. Renae is smooth. That's all I know and it's very little.

    Bookmark   July 25, 2014 at 7:32PM
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Just_One_Nerve_Left

I wanted to thank everyone for their first hand experiences and feedback/knowlegde shared.

I have ordered up a few roses to get me started (Annie Laurie McDowell and Zephine Drouhin) and will be adding more probably next spring.

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 12:09PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

I can't be sure, but it might be a beneficial predator such as a syrphid larva. Do observe it and see what it's up to. Worms that eat leaves can be seen eating leaves, while predators usually prowl around.

If you conclude that it is eating leaves, just pick it off and squish. Or are there hundreds of them? True caterpillars can be controlled with a biological insecticide, BT (bacillus thuringensis).

The worms that most commonly graze on rose leaves are rose slugs, Look for them on the underside of the leaf.

This post was edited by michaelg on Tue, Aug 12, 14 at 12:10

    Bookmark   August 12, 2014 at 12:08PM
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uncle.dyzio

Thanks.

I checked the plant removed few of those and so far so good.

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 9:55AM
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buford(7 NE GA)

ooh, I just saw Mariotta and I think I have to have it too!

Palantine carries it, they are out of stock now, but they are reopening their mail order on 9/8, so you may be able to get it then.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2014 at 8:58AM
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boncrow66

Thanks everyone for all your suggestions. I have a list now that I am going to have fun trimming down lol.

    Bookmark   August 18, 2014 at 9:16AM
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Sow_what? Southern California Inland

I haven't seen a post from Diane (nanadoll) in quite some time. I hope she's okay, and wonder if anyone has a way to contact her. She was a big help to me here on garden web as well, and introduced me to several beautiful roses, including Ascot and David Austin's Evelyn.

jannike

    Bookmark   August 17, 2014 at 3:26PM
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farmerduck

Same here. I am a newbie who has benefited from Diana's postings. Hope that all is well with her.

I got Ascot after seeing Diane's pictures.

Andrea -- my Ascot (second season) is not a short rose at all. I got it from Palatine, and the first season, it shoot up to 5 feet tall. I don't have YL, but I don't think Ascot is the best choice for a pot. Not sure where you are, but here in New Jersey, at least in my garden, it is not resistant to blackspot. It is, however, very vigorous grower and blackspot does not seem to bother it too much.

On the other hand, Floral Fairy Tale (own root, 3rd year) might be a good choice for pot. It is a sprawling grower for me and is wider than it is tall. The bush is fuller than Ascot.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2014 at 10:34PM
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esther_b

I think, having removed as many yellow leaves as possible and tossing them into the garbage can, and having pruned away weak canes to make more air circulation possible on the Strike It Rich rose, that I will adopt the "wait and see" position. Thus far, the vast majority of the rose bushes is still green.

The yellow leaves are primarily at the bottom of the bushes. The Easy Does It rose bush has much bushier growth because I did corrective pruning on it for the 3 years I've had it. I will have to do the same to the Strike It Rich rose bush, as I only got it this spring. It consists of a base of old brown cane from which spring many green canes, most of them weak. I had to prop up a lot of the canes while they bore flowers. Now that the weak canes finished flowering and have no more buds, I trimmed them off to allow more air circulation. I trimmed off any crossing canes. Right now, there is ONE big long cane growing off the base of old brown canes which is flowering nicely. The other green canes growing off the old brown cane base are done with flowering, and I deadheaded them. If they were really spindly, the whole cane came off, into the garbage can.

I really hope that next spring, the Strike It Rich rose bush will have a lot better, stronger canes than it did initially. Despite that, I have been utterly delighted with the beauty of the flowers, as have many of my neighbors. It bloomed a LOT, and the amber-yellow flowers streaked with red are breathtakingly gorgeous.

    Bookmark   August 17, 2014 at 1:35PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

It is also possible that some (all?) of those yellow leaves are just old leaves that the bush is getting set to shed in order to make room for new leaves. Rose bushes are known to do that from time to time.

And I agree with you--don't rush into spraying for BS until you determine how much of a problem your rose will or will not have with it. We'll hope this was a one time outbreak only.

Kate

    Bookmark   August 17, 2014 at 3:16PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

We have a own root Mister Lincoln. Very slow to bloom and doesn't bloom at all when fall cooler weather arrives here...
But I keep him because for whatever reason he does not get blackspot and that's rare for here...
He gets no mildew here either and his blooms do smell great...

BUT I still must suggest you get/try another rose besides ML...

OH CRAP! I just noticed this was a old thread... :-/

This post was edited by jim1961 on Fri, Aug 15, 14 at 21:34

    Bookmark   August 15, 2014 at 9:29PM
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Sylvia Weiser Wendel

Old thread, so what? We've all got something to say about this rose. My two cents is as follows: fragrant, fragrant, fragrant. Double Delight is the only HT I've got with more fragrance. That said, he is a stingy bloomer -- maybe half a dozen all year.
I have Don Juan as well, and that is shaping up to be a better looking, more productive bush (and also sublimely odiferous). On the other hand, however, a rose garden without Mr. Lincoln is ... well ... not really complete. IMHO.
Sylvia

    Bookmark   August 17, 2014 at 1:53PM
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