21,402 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

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gardenbug(8b)

Thank you so much Jim and Michael. Wow, the things we learn.

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 11:14PM
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toolbelt68(7)

Look for a small green worm not longer than an inch in length coiled up on a stem or leaf, or chomping away on one of the leaves. One poster showed that just tossing them onto the ground does not really solve the problem as they do craw back to the plant. Best to just pinch them. Check the new growth as the female fly tends to lay her eggs onto the new growth.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 9:36PM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

Thank you, Kim :) I'm really excited! I'm going to let that big cane just keep on growing and see what happens.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 6:21PM
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roseseek

Neat! You're welcome! I'm eager to see what it does for you. Good luck! Kim

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 8:05PM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

Mine normally bloomed well (for Eden), but it had to grow back from the roots this year due to the unusual winter, and hasn't bloomed yet. The growth is really nice, fat and strong --better than it was before-- so that's good! But not even one bud yet on all that strong new growth, no.

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 6:12PM
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welltraveled(z5Mid Mich)

Thanks for all the input.. This rose is on an arbor and has bloomed for about 7 years with lots of blooms and was a good rebloomer.. I will be patient and see what appears next year
Still wondering if the number of leaves on each cluster means anything? I usually like to dead head back to a cluster with 5 leaves and have never seen the 7 leaf cluster before

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 3:15PM
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Dinglehopp3r z7A. EastTN

After reading this thread I am relieved that I am not alone in my constant struggle (which I am losing) to choose from a seemingly endless pile of beautiful roses. I am only one year in and I already have a wishlist a mile long, as well as a growing list of roses I have already planted that will be getting moved to the back yard this fall to make room for more of my recently realized favorites. It seems like I have a new favorite every week! I may have also gotten a little overzealous & ordered a few things that may not have a planned home yet, so it looks like some large pots are in my immediate future. I still have not accepted the reality that I will eventually have to remove a healthy rose from my garden just because I don't like the way it looks, my inner hoarder says "surely there is somewhere it can go"... And my outer reasonable person says "uummmmm... I don't know about that" ... They'll sort it out eventually!

Jessica

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 2:58PM
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boncrow66

I can't bring myself to shovel prune a healthy plant either Jessica, I usually just find another spot in the yard or give it away. I guess that's why I obscess over what roses to buy because one they are planted that's going to be their home lol. I just enjoy the whole process, researching new roses, making a list and adding to it, an everything in between. But my favorite part is seeing my roses grow and bloom, satisfaction guarenteed!
Kippy putting stakes down where potential new roses can go is a good idea! I am going to try that, it will help me visual where things can go and how it might look.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 2:48PM
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barb_in_dc(z7 DC)

I agree with everything Seil said. My only other advice would be to find the most disease-resistant ones available. My situation is such that I couldn't spray--even if I wanted to, and I don't. I keep some that do get BS, particularly the "Conundrum" minis, because they flower so profusely regardless of the BS.

The past horrific winter we just had seemed to have greatly delayed any development of BS until just a few weeks ago. All my container roses bounced back like nothing had happened and leafed out beautifully,. They also all bloomed in the Spring at the same time, making the most wondrous display after such a hard, cold winter.

I no longer use wooden barrels because they rot out no matter what you do to them and have to be replaced. The containers I use for all my perennials are some sort of man-made material that won't crack with the constant freezing and thawing of winter.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 11:44AM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Barb - Thank you. Glad your container roses are doing good.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 2:40PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Nick - I'll second what Seil said, Love Song is a great rose. Boncrow - Help Me Find says it has moderate fragrance, I detect a light fragrance so far, but I can't always detect much fragrance, even when it's there.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 7:18AM
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seil zone 6b MI

It has a light fragrance. Not a strong one like say, Double Delight, but some for sure.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 1:07PM
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Dinglehopp3r z7A. EastTN

I live in Knoxville, so I am very familiar with your sticky, humid conditions. I have two golden celebrations, one in the ground and one in a very large pot on my porch, and it only gets afternoon sun & ironically, only the one in the ground got a terrible case if BS this summer, it was the first one of my roses to get it & it was pretty bad. I removed all the affected leaves and sprinkled some cornmeal around the plant to provide a more alkaline soil surface to deter more BS growth (something I learned from strawberryhill in the organic rose growing forum- thank you!) and it has not come back! The one in the pot on the porch is definitely growing slower but has had zero BS. I think the one in the ground was set up for failure because I put tons of pine bark mulch around it this spring, more than most of my other roses because I read that GC is a bit of a water hog and I thought it might need some extra protection from water loss... Well I was almost right....I later read (again all thanks to SH) that pine bark encourages BS more than other mulches because it is very acidic & provides ideal growing grounds for BS.... Which I might have doubted that if I hadn't seen results from my GC experiment myself, pine bark is such a common mulch it seems like you would hear this warning more often. Maybe that is only in the case of people who naturally have more alkaline soil and the pine bark brings the ph down enough for blackspot to grow, either way I've heard BS is more prevalent in neutral or acidic conditions rather than alkaline. I also read from SH that red lava rock sprinkled through the garden bed can help deter blackspot growth while also providing the roses with essential trace minerals, and I feel like that has also helped control less aggressive BS outbreaks I've had here and there. I also ended up getting some coconut husk mulch to use this fall/winter that hopefully won't encourage such bad behavior in my garden... Everyone should at some point check out all the posts in the organic forum on ways to naturally deter and treat blackspot, there is so much to read and learn over there, it's amazing. Good luck!!!

Jessica

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 9:53AM
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boncrow66

Jessica thanks for the tip!

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 10:35AM
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buford(7 NE GA)

That is a great PP Presentation. Everyone should save it on their computer.

The range for RRD may be a bit outdated, but the info is good, especially the pictures of herbicide drift damage.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 8:00AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

I have never planted garlic but have used a product called Garlic Barrier which is sprayed on the leaves and is suppose to keep insects away.
First off it did not work here on our roses. My neighbor tried it on his tomato plants but it did not work for him either.
But that is here and whatever does not work here still MAY work for someone somewhere else... Who Knows?

Another thought is if it did work you would have no good insects either... The Garlic Barrier has a long list of insects it is suppose to repel I think earthworms is even listed...

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 4:58PM
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gardenbug(8b)

Thank you Jim for mentioning the Garlic Barrier. It's interesting to learn that the garlic might repel beneficial insects. We wouldn't want that, especially earthworms or lady bugs to name a few.

    Bookmark   August 3, 2014 at 1:58AM
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seil zone 6b MI

Great photos, Ken, thanks! You have some sawfly larva damage (the holes in the leaves) but from the look of the crunchy brown tips this looks like heat stress. I really don't see any black spot there. Does the one closer to the fence get more shade? That may be keeping it cooler and moister in high heat and make all the difference.

I agree with the others, more water and no fertilizer so it can recover. Take out and dead wood as close to the bottom as possible and clear out the grass and weeds so it doesn't have to compete with those. If it's going to be very hot find some way to rig shade for it for the hottest part of the day. A sheet on stakes might work. Anything that will protect it from sunburning. You have a lot of good healthy growth there so it should recover.

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 6:37PM
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ken404

Thank you all for the great information and taking the time out of your day to help me. I'll clear that out below and follow your recommendation for water. It's strange because both of those rose bushes looked the same at first bloom. Huge blooms and a lot if them. I just didn't want to lose the other if at all possible they were both so beautiful. The one closer to the fence doesn't get more shade they're pretty much the same as far as sun goes.

I was just baffled with the difference in each one when they started out the same this year.

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 8:24PM
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nickjoseph(5 Milwaukee, WI)

I've lived with it on the two red rose bushes (maybe Lincoln?) that are about 15 years or older because they give such luscious, gorgeous, florist style red roses. Usually, I get tons of red roses despite this problem. That's why I'm not ready to dig them out if it is indeed rust or whatever it is. I think the Wisconsin winter was harder on all my bushes, although they all rallied back.

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 7:17PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Well, sure. We all just have to decide what our own tolerance level is.

Shoot, I've pulled ALL the leaves off some blooms, and made bouquets using ferns for green. Worked for me. :-)

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 8:23PM
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DrPekeMom

I take my racquetball racquet to them and swat them out of the air. I look like a crazy person but it sure does add steps to my little fitbit counter thingy.

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 6:53PM
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kentucky_rose zone 6

Some of the JB 's favorites in my garden are: PJPII, South Africa, & Beverly.

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 7:07PM
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gardenbug(8b)

Oh soooo pretty.

    Bookmark   August 1, 2014 at 10:32PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Lovely, Martin! I love my Elle too!

    Bookmark   August 2, 2014 at 1:46PM
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andreark

Thanks Kim, for the 'oh poor baby'.

And Jerijen and Aqua for the suggestion about Sweet Chariot. I will keep trying to find a place to buy it. It certainly is beautiful.

andreark

    Bookmark   August 1, 2014 at 2:25PM
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roseseek

You're welcome, Andrea. Email Burling. I'm pretty sure she offers it or can find it for you. International Herald Tribune is another violet rose that flowers its ever-loving head off. It isn't as well scented as Sweet Chariot, but it's every bit as violet and a wonderful rose. Mr. Moore found early on that growing Sweet Chariot in smaller pots caused it to weep. He had a long, double row of heavily scented, hanging baskets of it lining the main walk at the nursery and he said that's when the rose told him its name. "Swing low, Sweet Chariot...". Planted in the open ground where the roots aren't restricted, it's much more upright and bushy. Kim

    Bookmark   August 1, 2014 at 3:12PM
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madri_gw

Any idea where I could buy flower carpet roses. Three years ago I got 4 of them at Walmart. I lost the amber and pink due to RRV. I loved the amber, was a prolific bloomer. I want to get an Amber and pink splash flower carpet roses. Could not find in any garden centers here around Cleveland. Could some one let me know where to get them.
Thanks, Madri

    Bookmark   August 1, 2014 at 10:56AM
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monarda_gw

I think the Oso-easy roses look intriguing. The other day at a nursery I was tempted to buy 'Honey Bun', which I saw displayed with white lantanas (I think) and other low white annuals (in pots), and it was really beautiful. It's a pastel cream with flushes of apricot.

I think birds might trample plantings around their feeders, though. Or even eat the flowers. They eat the pansies in my front yard in early spring, to my great frustration and dismay. At first I thought it was slugs, till I caught them at it.

Here is a link that might be useful:

    Bookmark   August 1, 2014 at 12:59PM
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