21,402 Garden Web Discussions | Roses

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jacqueline9CA

If you go back to Help Me Find, and click on "buy from", and then scroll down to the bottom you will find a box that says "show all nurseries....". (The first short list is just nurseries that contribute to HMF.) Click on that, and there are 4+ pages of nurseries for this rose.

You are correct, most of them are in the UK or Europe, but I saw 4-5 that were either in the US or Canada. I would search on each ones web site. If the web site lists the rose, the safest thing to do is to call them on the phone to find out if they really have it.

Good Luck!

Jackie

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 6:48PM
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michaelg(7a NC Mts)

Roses Unlimited has it. I tried it because of the reputation for disease resistance, but it was highly susceptible to cercospora spot in my climate. YMMV. The color was mostly a hot coral, not the silvery and pastel blend you see in some pictures. The plant habit was dense and shrubby.

    Bookmark   July 24, 2014 at 10:18AM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

I agree with Seil -- Except in the case of wide-spread disease, I would not practice general defoliation of roses in the summer.

Here at the coast, (Borderline Z 23/24) we are THEORETICALLY cool enough to prevent cane burn -- but the coastal temperatures are going higher and higher.

The canes need the shade of their leaves.

I DO notice and remove leaves on Hybrid Perpetuals which are beginning to rust. But new foliage is never touched.

And I would be FAR more restrained with any of your roses which are first-year plants.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 9:21PM
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jasminerose4u, California(9b)

If the plants are mature, the Santa Clarita Valley Rose Society in Southern California, recommends pruning 1/3 of the canes around labor day (September 1st this year) for nice blooms by October. My roses are too new to try that this year, but I'll keep it in mind for the future.

    Bookmark   July 24, 2014 at 12:17AM
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Mary423(6B)

Thanks zack. I thought as much. What is it with yellows in that range?

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 5:43PM
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roseseek

Black spot resistance as well as susceptibility, varies greatly from one location to the next. I sold it along the SoCal coast and couldn't get enough of them. NO diseases at all and a luscious color everyone loved. But, it is a Dickson rose from Britain. That contract probably fell through the cracks in Week's bankruptcy and sale, leaving the patented rose orphaned. From my observations here, it was a good rose for these types of climates and should have remained available instead of quite a few others which are still plodding along. Kim

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 10:15PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I tried to find something on a Lady Linda for you but couldn't. Sorry, but some companies just create their own names for existing roses. It may be one of those. Maybe when it blooms you could post a photo. We may be able to help you then.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 7:54PM
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roseseek

Might there be some sort of breeder's code on its tag? Something like "Ausblush" or "Meigoogle" or something? If so, that will help point toward who created the rose and may make it discoverable. Kim

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 9:56PM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Fantastic garden Kate! :-)
And Cynthia your pic is awesome too! :-)

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 4:23PM
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missmary

The Picts you've shared are so helpful - Thanks so much! These full garden and full plant views help me see and plan for how a garden takes shape and matures.
Miss Mary

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 9:43PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Some roses, like hybrid musks, do all right in less than 6 hours sun, but for most roses, I think you will find that they are not quite as floriferous and are slower on the re-bloom and perhaps have more BS problems than roses grown in 6 or more hours of sun. I have a double Knock Out in full sun and another one that only gets 3-4 hours sun, with maybe some passing sunlight as the day progresses. The sunny Knock Out blooms twice as much and much more frequently than the shady one--but the good news is that the shady one does bloom and looks very nice in bloom--you will just have to put up with it looking only like a green bush a good part of the time.

By all means--try it out since they are already planted, and let us know how it goes. In the meantime, during the next year or two, you might keep an eye out from several good sunny places to move them to if, indeed, they don't exactly thrive in their present placement.

Good luck.

Kate

    Bookmark   July 22, 2014 at 10:12AM
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kans

Thanks guys! Will give it a try.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 9:38PM
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seil zone 6b MI

I don't know, Ittay, that rose looks pretty happy and healthy go up that post!

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 7:37PM
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jerijen(Zone 10)

Some roses have canes that are simply not flexible.

Those stiffer roses aren't suitable for winding around a pole, but are better used against a fence or trellis.

You might transplant this rose, next year, to a more-suitable spot, and look for something with LAX canes, for this purpose.

Even then, you will want to train the cane, gradually, as it grows, while it retains the ability to bend.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 9:27PM
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lesmc

Such a beautiful story and SaraAnn your roses are so healthy and blooming machines. I really enjoy your posts and look forward to them. All of your hard work is right there for us all to seeâ¦beautiful blooms. Lesley

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 6:11PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you Seil and Lesley. Both of you are very special ladies. Lesley, I've been wondering how your roses are doing this year?

Boncrow - Thank you too. I've been enjoying you very much on this forum and appreciate you.

This post was edited by Sara-Ann on Thu, Jul 24, 14 at 9:36

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 9:01PM
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barb_in_dc(z7 DC)

Sorry for not seeing this earlier. I grow double Knockouts (among other roses) in containers on a hot patio north of you in DC. I use the largest containers I can find, which are about 24": in diameter.

I would leave your rose alone (except for watering and fertilizing of course) until next Spring. It shouldn't need to be pruned by then, either.

You should re-pot it in late Winter when it is still bare--or mostly bare. However, these are tough, tough roses and can take a whole lot of abuse. They can also grow in more shade than other roses require, but do better the more sun they have. I have been in the process of painting my resin pots (which are about 15 years old and quite banged-up looking) and replanting my roses. I recently replanted a double Knockout after the Spring flush and it is now going gangbusters.

I use flat saucers under my pots to keep dirt off the patio (I'm in a rental apartment, too) and also use plant caddies to keep the whole thing off the ground. Big Lots carries some nice flat metal ones cheap. The caddies also make the pots easier to move.

I don't use clay pots for any of my perennials because of the cracking issue. I have some smaller ones I use for annuals and empty them out before the first frost.

Hope this helps.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 6:28PM
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JaclynDee(8)

Hi Barb, thanks for your advice. I already replanted to a 20in pot though. I'm glad to hear that someone else in nearby territory is having luck growing them on an apartment patio!

I decided to go ahead and fertilize it. It's holding up well so far. No blooms, as they were spent so I removed them before replanting. But that's okay, I figure it needs to establish a good root system anyway.

I'm also glad to hear they are tough plants and can withstand a little abuse (less than adequate sunlight and conditions etc.) because I really hope to replant in the ground, when I buy a home (hopefully soon).

Thanks again!

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 9:00PM
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calliebird

Alright, I will try to get a picture posted of both the canker at the base and at the new growth.

About whether or not it was grafted, I'm not actually sure because we inherited the rose bush with the house... we got the house about... 14 years ago, and I've only just recently started taking care of the rose bush about 2 or 3 years ago. Its really pretty when it blooms, and it surprises me that if has survived for 11 or 12 years without care that it would die of something now. It is, however identified as Oranges 'n' Lemons, and I know this because I show this rose at local rose shows (and they have to be certified and named correctly).

Also, if its not canker that is killing it, then I don't know what it is. I've sprayed it with GreenCure (super great antifungal stuff) and it just keeps spreading... One of the canes is actually broken (either from whatever is attacking it or because I put a towel on it when it hailed). I will get a picture uploaded shortly.

    Bookmark   July 22, 2014 at 8:54PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Oh, sorry about the broken cane. Do cut that off so it has a clean cut. The ragged end of the break provides a good spot for bad things to happen. Also, you don't need to cover it when it hails. The rose will actually do better without cover as the ice will simply roll off the leaves to the ground. When you covered it you provided a place for the ice to collect and build up weight and that's what probably broke the cane.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 7:52PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Cool, Susan - great photo! Just goes to show there's variability even within the same numerical zone. Hope the good Don puts on some extra cane and keeps it for you next year!

Cynthia

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 3:29PM
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seil zone 6b MI

After the awful winter we all had he looks marvelous!!! It will probably set him back a year for climbing but he'll soon catch up.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 7:31PM
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kplum

Can someone tell me where I can purchase this rose? It has not been found in my local nurseries, but then again, my local nurseries only like knockouts.

Thank you! :)

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 6:33PM
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seil zone 6b MI

There are several mail order nurseries listed for it on Help Me Find Roses.

To name a few:
Roses Unlimited
Northland Rosarium
Edmund's Roses

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 7:08PM
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meredith_e Z7b, Piedmont of NC, 1000' elevation

I agree, seil :) I'll definitely pass on what I've learned about a rose, but everyone's mileage may vary because that's just the nature of roses, imho. I try to add whether my cultivation may have been the problem, like when I have a rose in a bad spot and I know it, lol.

I still have at least one rose that gets rave reviews that really hasn't been one of my better roses, even with great treatment over a few years. Oops. It happens. Some great roses don't like my yard, apparently :D I figure we're probably both right, those who think the rose is perfect and me. There really are different strains of BS, etc, so that's probably all it is.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 3:02PM
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roseblush1(8a/Sunset 7)

Seil .....

You said " We need to stop telling people what they can and can't grow and start encouraging them to try growing whatever it is they like. With the clear understanding that anything we put into our gardens for the first time is an experiment, from daisies to roses, and they may do great or they could be a failure. But even those failures gained you knowledge and experience for the future."

I agree 100% ... especially the part about understanding that everything we plant in our gardens for the first time is an experiment. I have always felt that way, but I do remember when I didn't trust myself to keep anything alive.

Smiles,
Lyn

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 6:34PM
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susan4952(5)

Love this rose.....buy her every year. Now, elegant lady. My tree rose is about five years old. Of course I drag her into the garage every winter.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 2:47PM
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susan4952(5)

Yours is lovely and very similar to my peace

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 2:51PM
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hoovb zone 9 sunset 23

It likes cool, dry climates. It does not like hot summers. In hot summers petals are few and form is poor on NZ.

Having said that, your rose is just in the ground, what, less than one full year? It will not give the best performance it can give until at least year three. I would add more mulch around it, to hold in moisture. Your mulch layer looks pretty thin.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 1:39AM
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harryshoe zone6 eastern Pennsylvania

New Zealand grows fairly well here in humid Eastern Pennsylvania. Note the word "fairly". Like most other hybrid teas. It gets 7-8 hours of full sun.

If sprayed with fungicide every three weeks, fertilized every month, mulched heavely, deadheaded regularly and treated for midge, I get a somewhat scraggly bush with 4-5 flushes of nice big fragrant blossoms.

My main bed of HT's used to be two rows of roses. It is now a short single row of roses with other perennials in front and at the ends to hide the rose bushes.

I one had 45 HT's. Now I have 7: New Zealand, Sweet Surrender, Secret, Heirloom, Firefighter, Tiffany and Peace.

HT bushes are not particularly attractive in the landscape no matter how hard I try.

    Bookmark   July 23, 2014 at 11:35AM
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