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wcthomas

Thank you Frances for the detailed instructions on planting bands. I just ordered two bands from Rouge Valley for delivery next week.

If I understand correctly, I will pot these bands up into one gallon containers, keep them watered and fertilized, and set them outdoors in a sunny location until October. Then bury the potted plants in my garden, mulch the first several inches, and leave them through winter. Come spring I can dig up them up, remove the pot, and transplant into their final location.

I also have a home in central NJ, so I'll plant one there and one here at my Virginia home.

Tom

    Bookmark   July 19, 2014 at 3:07PM
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frances_in_nj(z6 NJ)

You are very welcome, Tom! Your understanding is correct. As I said, I have used this approach for many years and never lost a little rose yet! I hope it'll all work out as well for you. Please send us an update in spring. If you are inclined to take pictures, I'd love to see photos of your Old Ports next year!

All best,

Frances

    Bookmark   July 20, 2014 at 4:05PM
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Prettypetals_GA_7-8

Very pretty!!!

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 2:51PM
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martinca_gw

Ooh!!!!! Lovely.

    Bookmark   July 20, 2014 at 12:42AM
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socks

Roseseek, there WAS a diesel vehicle idling by the bush this week!!! I suppose if the leaves are sticky, they can pick up the exhaust.

There was a vinca bush near the roses that was horribly infested with...what, aphids, white flies? When I yanked it I noticed stuff flying in the air, gnats or dusty stuff, not sure. Left a greasy mark on the pavement it had grown over. I sprayed the rose bush with water which didn't do much unless I rubbed the wet leaf between my fingers. It's on the old growth, not the newer growth. We'll see how it goes now that the vinca is gone.

Thanks everyone.

    Bookmark   July 19, 2014 at 3:23PM
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roseseek

It's been a bad year for white fly here, too. Getting rid of the vinca should help relieve the water stress caused by the competition and eliminate their habitiat. I would turn on the hose to a trickle and wash all the yuck off the rose foliage. It will rehydrate the rose and help prevent the diesel from destroying those leaves. If you put down your fertilizer before you wash the foliage, you can kill two birds with the same stone...cleaning the foliage and watering in the food. Good luck! I'm glad it appears it was something simple. Kim

    Bookmark   July 19, 2014 at 9:57PM
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seil zone 6b MI

Zack is right, that's the good Doctor and if you don't take him out, right down to below the ground, he will eventually take over and destroy your rose.

Follow the cane(s) down to the ground and then dig the soil off of them and find out where they connect to the roots. At that point you want to RIP OFF the canes. Yank down and away HARD. Don't just cut them back because they will just grow right back again. You need to destroy the growth node so it will not send up another shoot.

    Bookmark   June 10, 2014 at 12:58PM
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FunRose

Thanks for the replies. I did cut it off but I didn't do it right to the root. I will try tomorrow to get down to the root.

    Bookmark   July 19, 2014 at 8:46PM
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nastarana(5a)

I think I remember seeing 'Mirandy' being sold in body bags last spring. I have never grown it, so I don't know if the picture resembles it. The picture does not look like Mr. Lincoln to me.

    Bookmark   July 16, 2014 at 7:03PM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

Your 2nd noid reminds me of The Generous Gardener.

Here is a link that might be useful: The Generous Gardener at HMF

    Bookmark   July 19, 2014 at 1:52AM
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Tounement of roses.....the best I have so far
Posted by tigerloveroses July 18, 2014
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tigerloveroses

Also,for an hybrid tea,it has clusters of blooms...I'm a novice rose grower,and many of the roses I bought are so finicky! But this one si outstanding.event the jappenease beetle hordes stay away from it!

    Bookmark   July 19, 2014 at 12:11AM
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iris_gal(z9 CA)

I hear you Jim. One worthy pic with the old 3mp Olympic.

    Bookmark   July 19, 2014 at 1:43AM
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jim1961 Zone 6a Central Pa.

Bloom does look nice!

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 9:46AM
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tigerloveroses

Thx y'all :)

    Bookmark   July 19, 2014 at 12:13AM
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Molineux(6b)

Very beautiful. What is the fragrance like?

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 6:28PM
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lynnette

I know that fragrance is important to gardeners, but keep in mind that the two weakest genes in the roses are the deep red and the fragrance one. Pirouette does have a "rose smell" but it isn't strong. So if you breed a beautiful deep, velvety red with a Damask fragrance, you will have a shrub that will cause you more problems then say a pink one. Papa Meilland is a good example. The old father desperately wanted to breed a top red rose and when he was dying, his son went into the fields to try and find any flower that would make his father think it was a good one. He picked a bloom from a sad looking shrub with lots of BS on it but had a perfect flower on it. He took it in and showed it to his father who got excited because he said it was perfect. What shall you call the rose he asked his son, and his son replied Papa Meilland.

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 10:31PM
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dublinbay z6 (KS)

Thank you for the comments on the Fragrant Path . I think I'll re-name it to that. I was calling it the Perfumed Path before, but Fragrant Path seems to work better. Thanks for the suggestion, sara.

Just for the record: Not blooming yet along my Fragrant Path are two fragrant beauties: at one end, Oklahoma; at the other end, Double Delight. Those two are "stars" along the Fragrant Path.

Kate

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 9:00PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

Thank you Kate - Glad you like the name, I inadvertently called in that, I appreciate your subtleness. I love the idea of all those fragrant roses together. I'm going to have to get Oklahoma, I've read so many good things about it that I need to give it a try.

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 9:25PM
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nippstress - zone 5 Nebraska

Bellarosa, since you're closer to my zone, I can share the information that Awakening is hardy and healthy in zone 5 in part shade. I've attached a picture of it duking out space with a Snow Queen oakleaf hydrangea. You can see that it gets big, as the fence is 6 feet and these are only a few branches of the well-established Awakening bush. Any climber in part shade is going to flower less and have more disease risk than in full sun, but for me this one is mostly plant and forget (unless I need to climb near the fence - not a happy prospect). Other part-shade climbers that do fine for me include Blossomtime, Compassion, Laguna, Dixieland Linda, Madame Bovary, Clair Matin, and Darlow's Enigma (not really a climber for me but a huge shrub, but he's also in mostly shade).

Lynette, your photo is gorgeous of Awakening and shows the discrepancy between a climber in full sun and mine in part shade. Hrose, one of the reasons we don't post full bush shots of most roses is that most of them just get too big to fit in the shot with any level of detail. Even though I was trying to capture the whole Awakening bush, I was nowhere close - particularly with a climber.

Cynthia

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 3:38PM
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roseseek

If those of us in high heat, aridity and drought areas were to do that, few others would grow roses right now. I have the occasional really nice bloom on the most wretched looking plants...Kim

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 6:03PM
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rodericky(6A)

We had 24 KO double red planted in April by a nursery we have dealt with for over 20 years. 3 plants were replaced because they didn't grow. They didn't die either, they just didn't do anything. Several of the remaining plants have very narrow leaves. Some have red leaves and canes but no thorns so I can't confirm RRD. Note neighbors have mature KO hedges with no apparent problems. I have another plant that has neither grown nor died. Any suggestions?

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 1:47PM
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rodericky(6A)

Couldn't attach 2 pics. This is the lazy rose that don't do anything. The whitish stuff is a surficant in Liquid Fence.

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 1:51PM
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Molineux(6b)

The color and form is really striking. Too bad about the light fragrance. You ought to take a look at VIKING QUEEN. It has wonderfully scented voluptuous blooms similar in form to those in your pic. It is also fairly mannerly in its growth habit, has reliable repeat bloom and the foliage is disease resistant. Would be just about perfect if it weren't for the vicious thorns.

Here is a link that might be useful: Viking Queen at HelpMeFind Roses

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 6:36PM
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bellarosa(z5/IL)

Great picture. It reminds me of the climber, Rosarium Uetersen.

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 1:05PM
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nickjoseph(5 Milwaukee, WI)

Oh yes. I've been feeding every 2 weeks.

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 11:44PM
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sara_ann-z6bok

My Love Song bushes have good repeat bloom, maybe it just needs a little more time to adjust. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

    Bookmark   July 18, 2014 at 8:56AM
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skmiller

Thank you so much for your suggestions.
Also I wanted to say I found the Tom Carrruth breeding for Fragrance very interesting. Thank you for posting a link

Sharon

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 10:35AM
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vasue(7A Charlottesville)

Jasminerose, double thanks for the great link to Tom Carruth's presentation & the reminder of Jardins de Bagatelle! Delicious in every way, grew it in the late 80's in a colder more exposed garden where it succumbed to cold. Thinking this garden would be more hospitable, would happily welcome it and again inhale that heavenly perfume.

Here is a link that might be useful: Jardins de Bagatelle

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 5:23PM
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seil zone 6b MI

There are many nurseries in the UK that would probably have a nice selection of standard roses to choose from.

Here is a link that might be useful: UK nurseries on HMF

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 4:24PM
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AquaEyes 7a New Jersey

I think what might be a better route would be to see what kinds of roses are offered as standards where you are, make a list of the red and white ones, and then ask about those particular varieties. It would be a shame for someone from the US to recommend a variety to you that is not available as a standard in the UK. Sure, you can inquire about custom propagation, but that will be more expensive (and require a longer wait-time) than simply selecting from those already offered.

:-)

~Christopher

    Bookmark   July 17, 2014 at 4:40PM
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