22,153 Garden Web Discussions | Roses
It was a lucky find and I'm happy you were able to enjoy some rose shopping. I thought the prices were good for the size of the plants. I agree with you that it reminds me of the old days and I was enjoying that part of it. So different than modern garden centers with recorded bird songs and dog sweaters. Not that dog sweaters are a bad thing, but I like more plants and seeds rather than other things taking their place in the store.
Remember when you pushed the carts on gravel and through puddles. I appreciate the cement paths but the old crunchy sound of the wheels on the gravel was fun too.
I remember our old local nursery and when the wife of the big name car dealership would come in she would bring 2 gardeners to follow along behind her with carts so she wouldn't have to handle the plants. She hated the gravel because of her nice shoes. I still remember her lavender tinted white hair. I also remember the Crystal Cathedral family coming in and I got to see one of their private gardens once on a plant delivery. That garden was peaceful and elegant and very grand with a large marble angel watching over it all. I heard that that property was divided up into pieces after it was sold and it made me sad to think that amazing garden is gone.
"Growing good roses" by Clayton Reddell, a book I've loved reading lately says the hole only needs to be max. 18" because the roots run more outward and than down so I would think a max 2 feet would be fine.
I order roses on fortuniana from Cool Roses, Nelson 's Roses and K&M roses and I've never paid more than $30.
I'd love to know what roses you are having great luck with in full sun here. Most of mine (David Austin) have been Grown in pots in late day shade until this past week when I planted several of them in the ground in full sun. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
There's the issue of the roots and then there's the issue of the nematodes.
It's been so long since I did my nematode research that I don't remember now how DEEP nematodes go.
I specifically remember the statement that the nematodes can travel 3 feet in any lateral direction over the course of a year which meant that in order to have a nematode free bed, there must be an exclusion zone of 3 feet (no plants) in all directions around the bed or the potential exists for the nematodes to reinfect the bed.
But I don't remember how deep they travel. I'm sorry. Hopefully you can find that information.
As for the roots themselves, own root rose roots vary while grafted rose roots depend on the root stock used. Some root stocks have tap roots and others have significant branching. If the grafted root stock is known, then the sort of roots to expect can be determined. For example, Fortuniana is a relatively shallow rooted root stock.
Good luck.
This post was edited by sandandsun on Tue, Feb 3, 15 at 22:32
Hi Alana
Just answering your question here as well as in a separate thread. Bulk ordering from Roses Unlimited is for 66 or more roses shipped to the same address, and there is a price break of 10% off the roses plus reduced shipping (that varies by zone). For me, the roses are shipped at $4/rose rather than $7/rose. For this many roses, it definitely adds up.
It's a good excuse to get your friends and neighbors to join you on a rose order!
Cynthia
I am really enjoying all the views on this thread,. Just gorgeous! THank you for sharing.
Christopher, I can't wait to see pics of your developing garden next year. It is really smart to put on the deer nettings for the clematis. I can just envision a wall of color when the clematis are in bloom. What an effect that will be! I hope you don't mind that I use your idea in part of my garden. Karen
I agree with Jackie, you can't go by "tradition". You have to let your roses tell you when it's time. I watch my roses and wait to see them start to fatten up the red leaf buds along the canes. Once I see that I know they are waking up and starting to grow. That's when I prune. I have no idea when that might happen for you so go out and check your roses. If that's already started you can go ahead and prune them. Normally I do two prunings though. The first one is early when the have started to grow but I find I usually have to go back around after they've leafed out because there may have been some further die back or there may have been a late freeze that took some cane. I don't know if that happens in your climate or not.
Roses and Cattleya orchids. If they have no fragrance, what's the point? Watch the look on someone's face when they receive commercially grown roses, bend their face down and take a deep breath of nothing. It is sheer disappointment. I don't understand this at all.
Hopefully it was some of the beneficial fungi. I had lots of the soil from the pot with the white stuff in it as well so I added a couple of shovel fulls in the hole.
I actually have recently bought some Great White fungi to start using in my new rose pots.
Thanks again!
Thanks for this, cottonwood. Looks interesting. I just might have to read the other books by Andrea Di Robilant as well. Such a personal look at history. Here's a short video regarding the book and author.
Here is a link that might be useful: BBC Video Chasing the Rose
Kentucky rose----For my garden, 4 Shelia's Perfume, 2 Royal Amethyst, 2 Distant Drums. For a lady at work, 1 Remember Me, 1 Elina. For my garden at work, 1 Chicago Peace, 1 Electron, 1 Big Purple, 1 Mr Lincoln. Plus I ordered 50 name plates. Next year I'll probably order 4 Neil Diamond's, depending on what other folks have to say about it this coming year.
I am growing this one in Dallas. I have pampered it as I love the bloom color. It's been somewhat disappointing. It's grown into a massive, gangly thorny climber. It didn't bloom for its first three years. It bloomed three times last summer. Unfortunately, the blooms are very short lived in Tx heat. Rover seems to have an insatiable thirst. I think he would be happier in a cooler summer climate with a lot more rain.
Yes, containerized roses do need to be either potted up to larger pots or root pruned eventually. If you're at the largest sized pots you can handle then root pruning is the way to go.
Doing it during dormancy is probably the best time. Wait until just before they would normally start to come out of dormancy. Cut the tops down some both to make them easier to handle and also because you're reducing the amount of roots you have available to feed the top when they come out of dormancy. Take them out of the pots and shave the root ball down by about 1/3 (no more than half) and repot with fresh soil. When they wake up they should take off and start growing again and refilling those pots with roots, lol!
Why couldn't you prune the roots when you prune the tops of potted roses? That is precisely what they do when they harvest the plants from the growing fields prior to either sending them to you or storing them for shipment at bare root season. That's also what occurs when you transplant a rose from one spot to another, or remove it from the ground to be planted in a pot. The roots get pruned, and hopefully the tops, too, to keep them balanced so the plant has a greater chance of reestablishing itself and not dying from too extreme water stress. If you're receiving rains now, it's the perfect time to do the deed. You can pretty much get away with murder, figuratively speaking, when the rains keep the plants bathed in water after being so severely disturbed. Good luck! Kim
Joanie the picture in under the H section that Beth has posted in the rose gallery. I doubt it is much better than yours.
Thanks for the offers of starts from your farm. that would be so wonderful if we were able to do that. I was able to dig out about 25 roses from my Pugwash garden. Of course I have to wait till summer to see how many survived the transplant. Harisons is one of the ones I was able to dig out a piece to bring. The rest are mostly Austins, small ones. The bigger roses that I adored could not be dug out. I have tried to root some cuttings but so far not much success. I wanted to order Viking Queen and Ramblin Red from Pickering but they are not open this year. I have 5 new roses on order too. I might just break down and order from Hortico. LOL I can hardly wait to pick some roses for the house. Larry is building me a few fan thingies to attach some roses to the side of the house around back where we built a couple of new decks.
The poor tiny band rose that got shaken out of its pot in the box managed to pull through as dry as it had been. There was no plastic bag or anything to protect it and it looked like all the roots were dried to death. The stem was still green so I did what Kim said and soaked it and then planted it in the best soil I had. It was slow to go and lost the smallest cane, but it lived and now is growing right along.
I've heard of trees with cones of mulch too high on the trunk getting rot and fungus and wondered will higher air temperatures do this to roses? Is it two different situations entirely?
I do mound my bare-root roses,but I had problems in the past one year with awful disease and fungus,so now I use pieces of styrofoam and wine corks to surround the baby canes, held in place with sticks, mulch,dirt,etc,in order that only in-organic material is in direct contact with the canes.