22,152 Garden Web Discussions | Roses
I am growing this one in Dallas. I have pampered it as I love the bloom color. It's been somewhat disappointing. It's grown into a massive, gangly thorny climber. It didn't bloom for its first three years. It bloomed three times last summer. Unfortunately, the blooms are very short lived in Tx heat. Rover seems to have an insatiable thirst. I think he would be happier in a cooler summer climate with a lot more rain.
Yes, containerized roses do need to be either potted up to larger pots or root pruned eventually. If you're at the largest sized pots you can handle then root pruning is the way to go.
Doing it during dormancy is probably the best time. Wait until just before they would normally start to come out of dormancy. Cut the tops down some both to make them easier to handle and also because you're reducing the amount of roots you have available to feed the top when they come out of dormancy. Take them out of the pots and shave the root ball down by about 1/3 (no more than half) and repot with fresh soil. When they wake up they should take off and start growing again and refilling those pots with roots, lol!
Why couldn't you prune the roots when you prune the tops of potted roses? That is precisely what they do when they harvest the plants from the growing fields prior to either sending them to you or storing them for shipment at bare root season. That's also what occurs when you transplant a rose from one spot to another, or remove it from the ground to be planted in a pot. The roots get pruned, and hopefully the tops, too, to keep them balanced so the plant has a greater chance of reestablishing itself and not dying from too extreme water stress. If you're receiving rains now, it's the perfect time to do the deed. You can pretty much get away with murder, figuratively speaking, when the rains keep the plants bathed in water after being so severely disturbed. Good luck! Kim
Joanie the picture in under the H section that Beth has posted in the rose gallery. I doubt it is much better than yours.
Thanks for the offers of starts from your farm. that would be so wonderful if we were able to do that. I was able to dig out about 25 roses from my Pugwash garden. Of course I have to wait till summer to see how many survived the transplant. Harisons is one of the ones I was able to dig out a piece to bring. The rest are mostly Austins, small ones. The bigger roses that I adored could not be dug out. I have tried to root some cuttings but so far not much success. I wanted to order Viking Queen and Ramblin Red from Pickering but they are not open this year. I have 5 new roses on order too. I might just break down and order from Hortico. LOL I can hardly wait to pick some roses for the house. Larry is building me a few fan thingies to attach some roses to the side of the house around back where we built a couple of new decks.
Thanks Moroseaz!
That makes sense. Should I trim those leaves off?
The rest of the plants do look very good I think and they are blooming like crazy right now..
They are babies so I wasn't going to do much in the way of a January hard prune. Is that right?
Pull the lower leaves off or let them drop naturally. Some bushes will lose their lower leaves 1-2 times a year as the leaf ages out. In summer, it can cause problems with sunburn, so it's important to keep your roses healthy with regular water, regular fertilization during active leaf and bud season and good mulching to retard weed growth (root competition) and retain soil moisture and reduce soil temps. Gravel is not good rose mulch. Looks like you're using wood chips.
You say these are 'babies'. Did you add any soil amendments when you planted them? In the low desert we recommend adding 1/2 cup each bone meal and soil sulfur in the hole before planting. We do not add gypsum as we already have plenty of calcium in our soils. Phosphate and sulfur don't break down readily and need to be in the root area to be effective. During the spring, about April 10th, add a tbls of chelated iron (recommend Kerex) and 1/2 cup Epsom Salts. Water thoroughly before and after application. Iron and Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salts) are also in short supply in our local soils.
Unless you are gardening in an area that receives flood irrigation, these amendments are pretty much standard requirements for good roses. If you're gardening in an older section of the Valley that receives flood irrigation, you can probably dispense with the soil sulfur and maybe even the Epsom Salts. These areas may even have somewhat acidic soils after all these years. The rest of us have alkaline clay with hard, alkaline water and rocks that aren't rocks but calcium-rich clay hardened into caliche (adobe bricks).
sooooo ready in Chicago, all ready to go. Mother Nature has other plans. 8-12 inches of snow expected . I look at it as prespring soaking and insulation
To get us thru February...the month when the earth cleanses itself in readiness for SPRING. I guess I am ready. After Xmas its a wild slide to FLOWER TIME.
Karen, the picture of AB climbing up our crab apple tree is a bit confusing, because right behind the crab apple tree is a huge Scarlet Oak. You can see the oak's large main limbs in the picture, but it is actually not the tree the rose is climbing up.
To answer your question, AB is rooted about 5-6 feet away from the trunk of the crab apple.
Jackie
mad_gallica, thanks for bringing this to my attention. The weight of the snow will definitely can cause pretty serious damage if the vine is heavy enough. I sometimes forget the conditions where I live (our area does get significant snow in some years) differ from the pics that I have seen of climbing vines growing up on trees. I believe all of these pics are from gardeners down south or CA.
Perhaps climbing rose is not such a good idea for this spot although I really appreciate everyone's suggestions. I will look into the climbing hydrangea and Jackie's advice to grow the plants on a raised bed will definitely help them. Thanks,
Karen
Sam, so very different than ours at Humpty Dumpty House, but so beautiful!
jasmine, I hope yours brings much joy!
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Even though its been in the pot 2 years, it is not a monster and would be very manageable if put in the ground and not pruned - I would tie the canes together with hay string then plant the rose. Just didn't know if I should prune or not. Sounds like this one shouldn't be pruned - since it is dormant now...might just go ahead and plant, mulch and water it and tie the canes to the fence.
Seil, always love seeing your photos - you have gorgeous roses! Thanks for the reply.
Judith
I've been really pleased with the roses I've gotten from them the last couple of years, despite the bankruptcy/supplier issues. My bare roots have been large, sturdy plants & when one of my container roses arrived dead they replaced it immediately. I got Full Sail, Sugar Moon, scentimental, Julia Child, Pope John Paul, Opening Night & a Don Juan climber; all pretty reliable roses, so maybe that's why I had better luck than some others have had.
I agree, Diane - just seeing the variety of settings and roses and colors and companions in everyone's gardens would be terrific. The pictures here are wonderful, but it would be great to host a "GardenWeb national tour" like they do local garden tours. Of course, we'd have to get funding - perhaps we could divert some of the advertising money we support on this site? (smile) As for the mailman, it was absolutely the least I could do for the lovely gentleman who uncomplainingly delivered to my door all those immense boxes of mail order roses. He retired the year after Eurodesert closed, and had delivered over 75 boxes of very heavy mother plants of roses from those sales alone. I don't think that affected his retirement, but you never know... Regardless, sharing our garden is half of the fun of having it.
Cynthia
Happy New Year everyone! I wish everyone and their gardens a healthy, happy and vigorous 2015.
Sorry, I would be on more but been having computer issues during the holidays. Hopefully it is fixed now.
Anyways, I find that I tend to like different colours each season. Over the years, I've noticed that I have a majority of pink roses as well. It is ironic since pink is not my favourite colour in roses. I do like the pale, soft ones but I really cringe from the shocking lipstick pink..lol. I think my problem was buying roses based on book reviews and the catalogue pics.
Then I went for yellows since I do like yellow roses. Of course, now I noticed the yellows I have is too beigey, which I don't like either. I like the strong golden yellow. But in a way it is a good "disappointment" since beigey yellow and pinks do look good together.
This past season I went for a few reds but mainly apricots. I think this upcoming seasons I am going for lavender and bi-coloured roses but especially bright coloured ones. I noticed that most of my roses end up being pale and I want bright colours in my garden.
My mom would keep buying rose bushes a few times a year, and she always seemed to be drawn to the pink and pastel orangish color roses (and a few mauve purple ones too). I got frustrated and thought these were ugly colors. I don't think she was even consciously aware of the type of colors she was drawn to.
I prefer the bolder plain solid colors: red, white, yellow, bluish purple. I have a hard time understanding what the appeal of muted or tinted colors is, to me they look like someone mixed all the paint colors together and got a murky brackish mix.
Thanks very much you all for giving me more information about Savannah. Does anyone have a suggestion of a rose to pair it with? It is not far from three large shrubs of Peachy Oso Easy, one Ebb Tide (she is the problem), and a Chuckles. Its also not far from some Mme De La Roche Lambert, an old hybrid P that is a magenta pink. Its not in season much after June. I can move Chuckles, or the HP, but not the OSO Easies. I have white alyssum all around the bed. There is a Heritage several feet from it. I guess this is too much info. Other than the Peachies, I have no coral other than a baby Caramella in the bed anywhere. Thanks again. Mary
Hi Carol,
We do have more heat and a longer growing season...I usually have blooms until around mid November. Most roses will get too tall to stay potted for long here, but most don't ever get as dense as Grand Dame has.
Ingrid, I'm really hoping Grand Dame performs well for you, and you end up loving her...keep us posted.
Judith, Mine is in full sun all day and has no trouble handling it...blooms are long lasting and don't crisp. You're probably hotter than me, though. We hover in the mid to upper 90's for long stretches, and usually do have some low triple digits...but triple digits don't normally last for extended periods
edited to correct at least some of the bad spelling & grammar...I must still be half asleep...lol
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Ken-n.ga.mts., what did you order?
Kentucky rose----For my garden, 4 Shelia's Perfume, 2 Royal Amethyst, 2 Distant Drums. For a lady at work, 1 Remember Me, 1 Elina. For my garden at work, 1 Chicago Peace, 1 Electron, 1 Big Purple, 1 Mr Lincoln. Plus I ordered 50 name plates. Next year I'll probably order 4 Neil Diamond's, depending on what other folks have to say about it this coming year.