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IMHO, if you really want Jasmina,you ought to give it a try. On HMF, it is listed as being hardy to zone 9b. There is no "heat tolerance" rating given, but among the comments, the only thing I can see that addresses the heat tolerance issue is a comment by a poster who says that his one-year-old plant, in hot, dry, difficult soil, wasn't thrilling him. Kim responded to this by pointing out that, under these conditions, many a great rose would indeed flounder,plus, one year is just not enough time to see what a rose can do! Difficult, dry soil can be amended and mulched to improve it dramatically,btw. And, worse come to worse, you ARE in the USA, where as far as I know there are no serious problems with Rose Replant "disease",so if it winds up being totally unconvincing, replacing it with something else shouldn't be too big of a deal.
Might I ask, where did you read that this rose can't really tolerate heat ? regards, bart
Seil ...
'François Rabelais' has been a solid plant for me. It does slow down a bit during the hottest part of the summer, but not for long.
Ingrid ...
Many of the roses on Maurice's site were once available here. We lost the availability of so many roses in the last several years.
Smiles,
Lyn
The color is beautifully saturated, bluegirl, which is the one thing I've always enjoyed about it. McGredy seemed to love those colors as evidenced by his Orangeade, Trumpeter, Sherry, Brown Velvet and a ton of his other "fry your retina" colors. Here, as with many of his roses, it tends to be rather "vigorous". I don't know what to tell you to expect in Texas, but I've enjoyed it. Kim
Yes, "fry your eye", indeed! I love the Orangeade I got last spring. It makes me almost laugh each time it's in bloom--it's so outrageously, screamingly, unashamedly, blacklight -poster, ORRRRAAANNNGGE!!! Like a wildflower rose.
Glad to hear COB is vigorous, at least in CA. It's one of those I've looked at for years, but never read any posts re. it. Thanks for the info.
Sigh!!! such beauty. Googling the Bernstein Rose now. Golden Buddha is a deep yellow, but it stays short. It's available from Rogue Valley Roses as a band. I bought one last year. Happy Child is supposed to be a smaller Austin that is a pale yellow. I have not grown this one myself. There are lots of pics of it on the internet.
Nanadoll thanks so much for the inspiration that your garden is .I got Ascot rose Mauve/red .(Sorry a little off thread for good reason) from Palantine due to your pictures and it shot up to a 7 foot wonder covered in blooms in only 6 months!! Pleased to see you posting again.
Best wishes in your search NVL4.
Shops
Thanks everyone for your suggestions. I need to sit down here some night and comb the internet for rose suppliers. Time is a premium right now. I should have started looking in November when life was quieter.
I just moved into this house last Jan. I was able to go to my old garden and dig to my hearts content. I managed to bring at least 25 roses with me and have tried to start some cuttings but of course the rose lust never ends. I have grown at least 500 roses in the last decade and I still have not tired of their beauty.
Valerie
Christopher, I think you have put your finger on it - it is all about gardening styles, not what actual roses you use. My HTs are intermixed with old roses because I like it that way. I let them grow way more wild than someone with them in a formal bed would.
Jackie
ratdogheads makes a good point about some of the Austins having modern-looking foliage. I was very disappointed when I saw the foliage of The Dark Lady. Fortunately this rose was bright red in my garden and I was rather happy to see it deteriorate in the drought so I could take it out.
The point that a few others have made about appearance being more important than origin is one I totally share. Everything should blend together in one area and that matters a lot more than whether it's a noisette next to a hybrid tea. What's most important to me is whether I love that particular rose and just have to have it in my life.
Wonderful pictures, everyone, and they add much to the discussion.
Ingrid
Frances, I'm midway between Huntsville & Birmingham. I do spray my HTs with fungicide for blackspot as needed...usually several times a season. Blackspot on Firefighter had previously been controlled with minimal spraying, but blackspot was worse than usual with most of my roses last year. I probably sprayed Firefighter monthly, and it was still frequently spotted. It never quit blooming because of it, but lost some foliage and what it didn't lose often didn't look so great.
Toolbelt, what a neat idea. I may find a quiet corner somewhere and do just that. I do need to put in some trees for shade in the pastures...and this is not much more work at all to do. Hmmmm. Thanks!
Thegarden, thanks for the welcome back. It's been a while, and I'm glad to be here for sure. I just am so excited about what I can see for this place...indeed a bit of heaven. I absolutely have photos, and will be taking more as things progress.first priority is the shop conversion into a barn for my horses...indeed want them home ASAP. But that is about half done, and spring is looming...so I've been dreaming about getting the front yard done. And the veggie garden too.
Diane, it got pretty bad in Los Angeles for me. I acquired a dangerous stalker on top of everything else, and it was always the plan to come to Oregon eventually...and the housing market did very well by me...so here I am.
Btw...please forgive the occasional typo and strange wording...I'm on my phone and its both difficult to type on as well as autocorrect believes it knows the words I'm using. Sigh.
It's going to be my little bit of heaven...My nieces and nephew are nearby and its been just wonderful to be close to family and be part of their lives. Nephews basketball team just won their division championship and I was there. Oldest niece is taking riding lessons with my new trainer, and my littlest niece loves to come to the farm and go wandering...attended by the dogs. Brother, nephew and I are doing the renovations ourselves...and Sister in law loves the peace and quiet when I have her family here. Lol.
In re New Dawn, yes I'm aware she might take the fence down. She'll be in a place where that is acceptable if it happens...but I'm hoping I will be able to keep on top of it/her to prevent that. And that's the reason she's not at the corner of the house or garage or barn...lol.
Have a great day!
Best
Herding Cats
Glad you liked the suggestion. One thing to keep in mind is; the dogwoods don't like things laying on top of their roots. Also very little can grow under them. So make sure you lay any patio stones/bricks, etc down around the swing before the trees get big.
Oh Andrea, you're going to have fun this yr!! I live up in the Sierra foothills where it's a bit colder than your area. I actually have a lot of roses blooming now, due to the unusually warmer weather. But I fully expect it to start getting colder next month and they'll slow down again. In my area the blooms usually start popping out in late March to early April and by the end of April they'll be in full force. I'm really anxious to see them all blooming again.
Andrea, what kind of roses do you have? Are they all hybrid teas?
My tea roses have already been blooming for a month. They always start slowly in Jan, then gradually build up to a large Spring flush, then bloom gently for the rest of the year, sometimes even forgetting to stop booming in Dec.
My china roses have also been blooming for a month already.
The banksia is usually next - just beginning to show some buds.
So, it depends on what kind you have - if you would like earlier bloom, you might look into getting some teas and chinas. Where in the SF Bay area do you live? I live in San Rafael.
Jackie
Well Molineux, if you haven't figured it by now, Diane is a flower goddess disguised as a regular poster with that magic touch most of us regular mortals do not have. Every pic that Diane has posted looks even better than any botanical garden pictures I've ever seen. (grin).
I agree BB is beautiful but since I do not spray, I will not grow it. I will probably grow Poseidon or Novalis if I can find it this year. Fragrance is not my top priority as I grow other fragrant varieties. BS and flower forms is a must for me.
Lesmc, your pic is quite misleading. Your Blueberry Hill is so gorgeous that all the pics I have seen in Rose Search website pales in comparison. If I ever grow this rose, it would be because of you. When I look at the pics in rose search, I wasn't convinced because most of them looks too pink or too blowsy. Your rose should be the covergirl for this variety.
What is this color "green" of which you speak? Right now, i can see no color, just a curtain of fog for the umpteenth day in a row. Green, hmmm, not sure I can remember it. Just being silly and desperate for a little green.
Green is a healing color, and I'm glad you're now surrounded by it, Sow What. Diane
Hoovb -- thank you!
Oopsie -- I'm so out of touch, I forgot you snowbirds are blanketed in white. Maybe you need to follow the big fad with lawns in drought-ridden California and dye your snow green.
Actually, I think your frosty white blankets can be exquisitely serene and healing as well. Just don't like the chill -- brrrrrrr.
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OK...Oklahoma...I just love that musical...I've seen it on the London stage and on film... I've been to Kansas...nearly got caught out by a brewing tornado..although not sure if it ever quite materialised... it seemed to follow us whichever way we turned... quite scary at the time... same in Nebraska..we had to take shelter in the underground of an hotel...
..I don't think I could live in that belt....
I have much better luck going in the ground than potting in the fall. Seems mine have more growth and acclimation to their environment if planted in the spring. Gives them a four month jump on surviving my winters. Protect and baby as noted above. I actually build a little teepee of pruned branches to keep the bunnies away.
Happy Rosing.
and try a few different methods for the sake of experimentation. For science and all.
==>> oh man.. i think i love you .. lol ...
i learned just about EVERYTHING preWWW .... and boy did i kill a lot of stuff .... but every lesson learned .... was remembered ...
i just answered 4 posts .. about peeps paralyzed by too much info on the WWW .... about just going for it ...
i bought a lot of first year grafted conifers.. and planted them in the garden.. and lost most to death ...
then i started potting them.. and growing a root mass.. that i could plant in the garden the next fall .. and shazammm .... i won ...
potting young babes is all about water management and growing the roots... and the prime variable is drainage ... you can always water more... but once you rot the roots off... there is no watering less ... and the problem with babes.. is you lose track of them.. in the general garden.. especially on 5 acres.. like me ....
pot your babes ... in good MEDIA .... no compost.. no dirt .. no nothing ... your goal is water in the top.. 95% out the bottom ... and water them about once a week [insert finger and find out .. my words mean nothing.. when it all boils down... let them dry to finger depth between watering] ... they are plants not children .... err towards dry.. it makes them grow roots to search for more water ....
every other watering or so.. add quarter strength soluable fert.. i dont care which one.. just a general fert ... and watch most of it.. flow out the bottom ...
all pots go in bright shade ... so the black pot itself doesnt get too hot in the sun ... we are growing roots right now.. not flowers .. never forget that part .. at this stage .....
come fall.. tip them out of the pot.. and be amazed at how the roots filled the pot.. and then.. plant them in native soil ... or amend a whole bed ... no amending ONLY the hole ... but that a different story ....
there is a container forum.. and you might learn a lot there... this stuff isnt necessarily related only to roses ...
i knew a great plantsman in Avon.. GRHS .... if only .... i would have sent you to him ... he would have taught you more in a few hours.. than the WWW can teach you in a decade .... i miss him greatly ... he was taken much too young ....
i am so thrilled.. you are willing to wing it.. to learn ....
ken
ps: tell hubby you are safe .. its a garden thing... lol
Here is a link that might be useful: link
I live in the Bay Area and I completed pruning last week.
I started pruning the day after Christmas here in Livermore, as usual. The frosts we get are not likely to be severe enough to damage roses though they will knock down unprotected, tender plants like nasturtiums and pelargoniums.