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There is a time when Aphids are going to leave but isn't it worth something if you can keep them away even before it reaches that time?
That's from the standpoint of those people that get tons of Aphids... Aphids are not a problem here to even worry about...
Wow, James, your Mojave is stunning! Thanks for sharing, it's so interesting to see the different hues that roses take. Mine doesn't get that pink here in the cold north, here is a picture of mine from last year...
I never thought about it looking like a desert sunset but now that I hear that analogy I think it is right on.
Absolutely adore this rose.
Oooh, I like it! I've been trying to get this rose for several yrs. It always seems to end up being mismarked. I think this time I got the real thing tho, as I got it from Rogue Valley Roses. It's still a small own-root, so it will be a bit before I get to see blooms like either one of yours. Can't wait. I'm hoping it looks more like yours tho, James, because I like the coloring and the heavier veining.
It would be kinda tough and awkward to have a Standard on Fortuniana root stock. I did most of my rose growing (30+ yrs) in central and S.E. FL. and I can't think of too many roses grafted on to fortuniana that would stay small and light enough to work as a Standard. You would have to box the fortuniana stock with 4 metal rods and then have at least 3 metal rods to hold up the bush itself to keep it from breaking off from the weight of the bush. Then you have lost the "tree" effect. Even you're mini's get very large on fortuniana. Coolroses in Palm Beach would be your best bet. Then it would probably be "custom" graft, which would be a little pricy.
When I put my Sonia Rykiel in the ground 6 months ago it was a flimsy little thing and with very thin canes that flop all over the place. Over spring and summer it has grown into a very dense mount of 4 x 4 feet with lots of basal canes as thick as my thumb. It flowers continuously and just about every single flower are packed with loads of perfectly arranged petals and are very large. They want to bloom several flowers per shoot but I disbud to only one per stem. The basal shoot that come up can carry 20 or more flowers if you do not disbud. Mine is grafted on Fortuniana and gets full sun in the middle of a paved area so extremely hot and dry in summer but this rose has not had a single scortched leaf I am very impressed! Also this rose is able to produce multiple side shoots from a single node. If a branch arches down it will produce side shoots along the entire cane rather than at the end like most other roses do. The overall effect is an extremely vigorous and dense bush with hundreds of large flowers which open in succession rather than all together. Did I mention mine is only 6 months old? I could not believe how quickly this rose grows. Repeat is very quick. The shoots will start growing before the last flush is over. I give my roses lots of potassium and sunlight so no weak stems. Even though the side shoots may be quite thin they still hold the weight of the large flowers. This rose does not rest in the 40 degree C summer heat. I do need to cut the flowers and bring them indoors if I don't want them to scortch in the heat but they last well as cut flowers so it works out fine. I think this would have to be one of the most floriferous roses I have ever grown. I read somewhere else that some people had problems with weak stems and the flowers are in the mud but not for me! It obviously enjoys lots of dry heat. Another one that flowers to this extent is Happy Child but it is not as good a cut flower. My Evelyn grew even bigger than Sonia Rykiel in 6 months but it put lots of energy in its long stems at the expense of flowers so I would recommend Sonia Rykiel over Evelyn if you like to see lots of flowers and a beautiful filled-in rounded bush.
Just don't do what I did. Back in the early days I just amended the planting hole in an other wise dryish area. I created the proverbial wet hole and if there is one thing grubs love it wet soil. So the next year when poor rose looked more dead than alive I dug it out to see what the problem was. There were tons of grubs that had migrated to that lush hole I had made. The rose had one tiny root left. Live and learn I guess.
Wow! You have a whole new rose garden!! (Jealous!) I wish I had the room!
I must say, it looks like you've made some excellent choices. Those all are great roses. I wish I could see them in three years when they are well established and blooming. Enjoy!!!
Oh and tell your hubby that we here at garden web/houzz think he's awesome!
Love this rose! Such a great combination of warm yellows and oranges. She's quite stunning.
I would soak it over night and put it in a pot so you can baby her until she's happy and leafed out. Then I'd put her in the ground come fall. If you have good soil or amend the soil well, you can put her directly in the ground. Just never let her dry out.
If the white stuff is flocky and wipes off, it is mildew. This will not be a chronic problem in Houston. Blast it with the hose and then spray just once with 1 tsp baking soda per quart. The lack of growth is probably from too much or too little water or fertilizer. What is it planted in? Looks mucky.
The more people we can get looking for it and removing affected planted especially the neglected ones in commercial plantings, then perhaps the disease level will die down enough we might be able to grow some roses, the way it's going now, it's just going to keep getting worse and worse around here.
I can't answer any questions about the rose bush other than what I said in my original post...it's a Joseph's Coat running rose bush. We haven't trimmed it at all except to cut off the spent blooms (we were told not to for the first two years). We're in North East Texas. The rose bush is in full sun from about 11am and the soil is a sandy loam (a mixture of sand and red clay). Here is a picture from the first year we planted it (two years this month).
Oops...sorry. I missed seeing that your rose is a Joseph's Coat. It's a fairly good grower, but I doubt it can keep up with multiple full-grown plants of yellow jasmine. I'm assuming you're talking about Gelsemium sempervirens, or Carolina jessamine. It's a rambunctious plant here in TN, and there aren't many roses that could keep up with it. I can't say the planting is a "mistake", but it may end up being more upkeep than you want. You're going to need to keep encouraging the rose, and DIScouraging the gelsemium.
John
Back when I had a lot of roses, the beginning of the season pruning was distressing because of cane subtraction. Start with three, then two, then one. I've seen rose bushes with 8 or more and I think it's some kind of miracle.
Since I started up two years ago, I've lost two canes; one I removed when a new cane was crossing with it and another that I fell on.
I'm a huge optimist and if I had the space, I would leave the one cane plant alone and plant another of the same with the requisite number of canes.
The one caner can always be removed and replaced with something else later.
Mayurkirti - I was thinking about things I have read by Ann Peck regarding her research into RRD, and I wanted to say that if I were you I would not re-plant a rose in this spot. RRD is transmitted by tiny mites that travel on the wind currents. Ann found evidence that tall roses and roses in spots where the currents dip or drop were more likely to become infected as the wind deposited the mites there. That tall rose up against that board fence made me think that if the wind brought the mites from somewhere in your area to that spot once, it may again.
Just a thought. As I said before, I'm no expert in the disease and it has not reached northern Michigan - yet - so I've yet to see it here, thank heavens. But I have seen herbicide damage in a member of my rose society's garden that caused me to research carefully and although herbicides can cause something similar to RRD symptoms, there are subtle differences as Patty W. said. I'd urge you to remove and bag this entire rose and plant some other type of shrub or perennial in its place. And then keep a close watch on your other two roses in future. Somewhere upwind of you there are other infected roses...
Here btw is the link to Ann's e-book on the subject for anyone wanting more info.
RRD E-book by Ann Peck
The rose is coming out this weekend. Thanks everyone for your advice!