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Toolbelt, what a neat idea. I may find a quiet corner somewhere and do just that. I do need to put in some trees for shade in the pastures...and this is not much more work at all to do. Hmmmm. Thanks!

Thegarden, thanks for the welcome back. It's been a while, and I'm glad to be here for sure. I just am so excited about what I can see for this place...indeed a bit of heaven. I absolutely have photos, and will be taking more as things progress.first priority is the shop conversion into a barn for my horses...indeed want them home ASAP. But that is about half done, and spring is looming...so I've been dreaming about getting the front yard done. And the veggie garden too.

Diane, it got pretty bad in Los Angeles for me. I acquired a dangerous stalker on top of everything else, and it was always the plan to come to Oregon eventually...and the housing market did very well by me...so here I am.

Btw...please forgive the occasional typo and strange wording...I'm on my phone and its both difficult to type on as well as autocorrect believes it knows the words I'm using. Sigh.

It's going to be my little bit of heaven...My nieces and nephew are nearby and its been just wonderful to be close to family and be part of their lives. Nephews basketball team just won their division championship and I was there. Oldest niece is taking riding lessons with my new trainer, and my littlest niece loves to come to the farm and go wandering...attended by the dogs. Brother, nephew and I are doing the renovations ourselves...and Sister in law loves the peace and quiet when I have her family here. Lol.

In re New Dawn, yes I'm aware she might take the fence down. She'll be in a place where that is acceptable if it happens...but I'm hoping I will be able to keep on top of it/her to prevent that. And that's the reason she's not at the corner of the house or garage or barn...lol.

Have a great day!

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Herding Cats

Glad you liked the suggestion. One thing to keep in mind is; the dogwoods don't like things laying on top of their roots. Also very little can grow under them. So make sure you lay any patio stones/bricks, etc down around the swing before the trees get big.

Oh Andrea, you're going to have fun this yr!! I live up in the Sierra foothills where it's a bit colder than your area. I actually have a lot of roses blooming now, due to the unusually warmer weather. But I fully expect it to start getting colder next month and they'll slow down again. In my area the blooms usually start popping out in late March to early April and by the end of April they'll be in full force. I'm really anxious to see them all blooming again.

Andrea, what kind of roses do you have? Are they all hybrid teas?

My tea roses have already been blooming for a month. They always start slowly in Jan, then gradually build up to a large Spring flush, then bloom gently for the rest of the year, sometimes even forgetting to stop booming in Dec.

My china roses have also been blooming for a month already.

The banksia is usually next - just beginning to show some buds.

So, it depends on what kind you have - if you would like earlier bloom, you might look into getting some teas and chinas. Where in the SF Bay area do you live? I live in San Rafael.

Jackie

I really love my Blueberry Hill. I also love Love Song, but a different bloom. I also grow Blue Bayou, but it is not a strong bloomer. When it does bloom, it is very lovely. Just wanted to share my BH. Lesley

Well Molineux, if you haven't figured it by now, Diane is a flower goddess disguised as a regular poster with that magic touch most of us regular mortals do not have. Every pic that Diane has posted looks even better than any botanical garden pictures I've ever seen. (grin).

I agree BB is beautiful but since I do not spray, I will not grow it. I will probably grow Poseidon or Novalis if I can find it this year. Fragrance is not my top priority as I grow other fragrant varieties. BS and flower forms is a must for me.

Lesmc, your pic is quite misleading. Your Blueberry Hill is so gorgeous that all the pics I have seen in Rose Search website pales in comparison. If I ever grow this rose, it would be because of you. When I look at the pics in rose search, I wasn't convinced because most of them looks too pink or too blowsy. Your rose should be the covergirl for this variety.

What is this color "green" of which you speak? Right now, i can see no color, just a curtain of fog for the umpteenth day in a row. Green, hmmm, not sure I can remember it. Just being silly and desperate for a little green.
Green is a healing color, and I'm glad you're now surrounded by it, Sow What. Diane

Hoovb -- thank you!

Oopsie -- I'm so out of touch, I forgot you snowbirds are blanketed in white. Maybe you need to follow the big fad with lawns in drought-ridden California and dye your snow green.

Actually, I think your frosty white blankets can be exquisitely serene and healing as well. Just don't like the chill -- brrrrrrr.

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This post was edited by Sow_what on Wed, Jan 21, 15 at 7:54

OK...Oklahoma...I just love that musical...I've seen it on the London stage and on film... I've been to Kansas...nearly got caught out by a brewing tornado..although not sure if it ever quite materialised... it seemed to follow us whichever way we turned... quite scary at the time... same in Nebraska..we had to take shelter in the underground of an hotel...
..I don't think I could live in that belt....

Nobody here but us chickens.
Foghorn

I have much better luck going in the ground than potting in the fall. Seems mine have more growth and acclimation to their environment if planted in the spring. Gives them a four month jump on surviving my winters. Protect and baby as noted above. I actually build a little teepee of pruned branches to keep the bunnies away.
Happy Rosing.

and try a few different methods for the sake of experimentation. For science and all.

==>> oh man.. i think i love you .. lol ...

i learned just about EVERYTHING preWWW .... and boy did i kill a lot of stuff .... but every lesson learned .... was remembered ...

i just answered 4 posts .. about peeps paralyzed by too much info on the WWW .... about just going for it ...

i bought a lot of first year grafted conifers.. and planted them in the garden.. and lost most to death ...

then i started potting them.. and growing a root mass.. that i could plant in the garden the next fall .. and shazammm .... i won ...

potting young babes is all about water management and growing the roots... and the prime variable is drainage ... you can always water more... but once you rot the roots off... there is no watering less ... and the problem with babes.. is you lose track of them.. in the general garden.. especially on 5 acres.. like me ....

pot your babes ... in good MEDIA .... no compost.. no dirt .. no nothing ... your goal is water in the top.. 95% out the bottom ... and water them about once a week [insert finger and find out .. my words mean nothing.. when it all boils down... let them dry to finger depth between watering] ... they are plants not children .... err towards dry.. it makes them grow roots to search for more water ....

every other watering or so.. add quarter strength soluable fert.. i dont care which one.. just a general fert ... and watch most of it.. flow out the bottom ...

all pots go in bright shade ... so the black pot itself doesnt get too hot in the sun ... we are growing roots right now.. not flowers .. never forget that part .. at this stage .....

come fall.. tip them out of the pot.. and be amazed at how the roots filled the pot.. and then.. plant them in native soil ... or amend a whole bed ... no amending ONLY the hole ... but that a different story ....

there is a container forum.. and you might learn a lot there... this stuff isnt necessarily related only to roses ...

i knew a great plantsman in Avon.. GRHS .... if only .... i would have sent you to him ... he would have taught you more in a few hours.. than the WWW can teach you in a decade .... i miss him greatly ... he was taken much too young ....

i am so thrilled.. you are willing to wing it.. to learn ....

ken

ps: tell hubby you are safe .. its a garden thing... lol

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Thanks you, Sara-Ann. I think I will try to add it to my RU order. I walked the garden again today and I have just the right space if I move a few things! I also located a space for Neil Diamond...one I really want! Seems like I try and squeeze in more and more. I can always add pots,too. I miss the garden terribly! lesley

Hi Sara-Ann

I agree with the prevailing opinions - even in dry colder Nebraska, Earth song gets big for me. It's in the back of a large bed at 5' by 4' on a good year, bushy and continually blooming. It holds the foundation spot underneath a trellis arch just behind it, and it fills the space in front of the trellis pretty well with just 2 feet or so visual space to the top of the trellis. It's a keeper for sure.

I also heartily endorse both Roses Unlimited and Burlington as sources for roses. Also, with RU you can always drop Pat an email to check about availability of roses you want and she's pretty prompt at getting back to you with up-to-date information. Same with Burling, who also doesn't maintain web lists of whether a particular rose is in stock at any given time.

Cynthia

I typically can get away with applying MMM two - three times a growing season. Espoma Holly-tone (because it usually runs $1 less/bag than Rose-tone; I can get the large bags of the "Tones" locally) maybe three - four applications per seasons. Holly-tone is my go-to, but I use MMM when I have it (usually from winning raffles at district conventions).

Judith, your "gardening road trip" sounds like a blast. Could I commission you to pick up a few things for me-haha? Thanks for your advice about asking my favorite farm & ranch supply store to special order some "Tones" for me. They used to stock the "Tones", but quit selling them a couple of years ago. I guess I haven't tried asking because I was relying on Amazon, which now is starting to look iffy for the large bags. My gardening friend and I may try a road trip to a wonderful greenhouse located about 2 hours away, come spring. You are inspiring me. Thanks. Diane

Wow Jerijen, you got some monstrous plants there. They are gorgeous but still a giant. Is that just one plant of each rose?

I agree with the rest and think you may not have enough space for giant climbers, Dobieone. Maybe choose non-climbing ones and plant Sally Holmes in another part of your garden.

Yes. That's one plant of each. And that, BTW, is a virus-free, own-root Sally Holmes.

I think one could easily keep them smaller than that, but that's the size they WANT to be, and I don't much enjoy fighting to keep plants small.

So, no, I would avoid putting Sally Holmes in limited space. I do also grow 'Sharon's Delight' -- a white single very similar in bloom to Sally Holmes, but which has stayed under 4 ft. for me. Note that it loves a hotter climate than mine. Even that, however, might be too wide.

Thanks for the information on scentimental. I didn't realize the flowers doesn't last. Sounds like D.A.'s heritage; as beautiful as the flowers are, you literally can't blink your eyes because it won't be there for long.

I guess maybe I will look for Neil Diamond and Rock and Roll instead. I actually like Rock and Roll; it seems to have three colours.

Thanks for sharing Carol. I hope it blooms for you this coming spring. I find a similar problem with some of my roses too especially D.A.'s golden celebration last summer. It used to bloom profusely but I guess it was affected by the polar vortex. Just curious, which part of Canada are you from? I am from Toronto, Ontario.

I can highly recommend Rock n Roll. I think it is a relative of Neil Diamond. I've posted on my blog about some of my stripeys, including R n R. Check the link for more pictures and a shot of the bush. I have four of them...the most duplicates I have of any rose (except for the icebergs I found here that are more for landscaping).

Initially when I planted my first two, the flowers got fried and I thought it was a weak rose. But we were having an extreme dry heat wave at the time. The roses and the bushes are doing great in normal weather. They've all gone into their second flush ( it's midsummer here).

Here is a link that might be useful: My Striped rose blog post

Spellbound is one of my favorites. Does anyone know of any vendors that sell this rose? Here is a pic of my Spellbound.

I don't know coral from salmon but I know I love Westerland. I grow it as a climber but I know some grow it as a bush. It gets big here and produces lots of blooms all summer..

Thank you Christopher and Seil for those suggestions. I actually had veterans honor and Barcelona on the top of my list to order, but I had to look up all the other names on HMF and I had to add crimson glory, Avon, hearts desire, and velvet fragrance to the list. Yikes! Hmmmmm. Decisions, decisions. I'm hoping that some of the mail order nurseries will have a end of season sale and I will end up with a few of these roses. A girl can dream, right?

I received an unusual Buck rose, Mavourneen, from Heirloom Roses by mistake one year, and found it to be a fragrant interesting red. Its currant red with a slight white outline of white. Its a shrub rose about 4 ft tall but I keep it pruned. It blooms in clusters. It likes more shade than I have it in, but provides a great background for bright colors. I like it very much. Fragrant from 10 ft away. In Gallic its name means "My Darling" according to Dr.Buck.

In my garden, Veteran,s Honor has the best form, red color, thick velvety blooms, large in size for a show rose.
I do like my Olympiad also, although the bloom is smaller.
Another of my favorite red roses in my garden is Beloved.
It's a deep red rose with beautiful form, long stems with
velvety petals, doesn't blow quickly, and is a prolific bloomer.

I have several favorite reds. They are Veteran's Honor, Let Freedom Ring, and Grande Amore. Black Magic is another fav but probably too dark and form can go flat in summer. Grande Amore is more orange red than blue red and the bloom can be smaller at times, not always. Veteran's Honor has been one of the top 3 exhibition roses for years along with Gemini and Moonstone. Let Freedom Ring hasn't been around as long as Veteran's Honor. I have 2 of each of the 4 reds mentioned. If you can, I would recommend getting Veteran's Honor and Let Freedom Ring. I had Opening Night and it bloomed a lot, but the open bloom was as flat as a pancake.

BTW, if you don't like the paint of the bricks on your porch, paint them! They do make a paint for that which won't peel off.

I'm over 1 1/2 yrs late in entering this conversation, so forgive me.

Before I'd consider working with your landscaping, I'd tie the house together. It's too disjointed. The top floor is reminiscent of a half timbered Old English Elizabethan home is Umber. The cedar shakes don't add anything when you consider the other elements. I wonder what might be under those shakes? The ground floor is more of a 1950's +/- brick home with windows that differ greatly in style from that of the 2nd floor is Terra Cotta) And the concrete porch is Redwood in color.

I think you'll be happier in the long run if you can work on unifying the appearance of the house. Then consider adding your climbing rose on each post.

I'd keep the bricks, don't paint them. That leads to forever painting them. So, use that as one of your primary colors. It will take a great mind that what I have as to how to tie in the two floors. But, if you can bring some of that Terra Cotta brick color up, then maybe it would might help OR bring some Umber down to your bricks. Shutters can be unifying, but consider that considerably later. You could even make them yourselves consider the Old English look you have to work with.

Then paint the front on the porch. Maybe the terra cotta color with umber lines. Others could suggest that one better than me.

I'd put a climbing rose on both porch posts. The rose that I'd suggest might not grow there. I called Chamblee's for my own questions regarding another climber. Lady Ashe is one that I would have selected, but the color doesn't work here. The peach accent would blend nicely with the terra cotta colored brick and very fragrant.

Then I'd plant an evergreen shrub that could help fill in both those side of the steps as there are 2 blanks areas that could handle a small shrub nicely.

I can see other areas where you could edge your sidewalk in front with some similar terra cotta colored bricks that you could probably get off Craigslist very reasonably.

There are some other things that can be done, but I just hope that I haven't alienated you by now. So, take what you can and with a breath of kindness blow the rest away.

I hope you are able to live there for years and years. You got a good place to start.

Xtal

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