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Thanks you, Sara-Ann. I think I will try to add it to my RU order. I walked the garden again today and I have just the right space if I move a few things! I also located a space for Neil Diamond...one I really want! Seems like I try and squeeze in more and more. I can always add pots,too. I miss the garden terribly! lesley

Hi Sara-Ann

I agree with the prevailing opinions - even in dry colder Nebraska, Earth song gets big for me. It's in the back of a large bed at 5' by 4' on a good year, bushy and continually blooming. It holds the foundation spot underneath a trellis arch just behind it, and it fills the space in front of the trellis pretty well with just 2 feet or so visual space to the top of the trellis. It's a keeper for sure.

I also heartily endorse both Roses Unlimited and Burlington as sources for roses. Also, with RU you can always drop Pat an email to check about availability of roses you want and she's pretty prompt at getting back to you with up-to-date information. Same with Burling, who also doesn't maintain web lists of whether a particular rose is in stock at any given time.

Cynthia

I typically can get away with applying MMM two - three times a growing season. Espoma Holly-tone (because it usually runs $1 less/bag than Rose-tone; I can get the large bags of the "Tones" locally) maybe three - four applications per seasons. Holly-tone is my go-to, but I use MMM when I have it (usually from winning raffles at district conventions).

Judith, your "gardening road trip" sounds like a blast. Could I commission you to pick up a few things for me-haha? Thanks for your advice about asking my favorite farm & ranch supply store to special order some "Tones" for me. They used to stock the "Tones", but quit selling them a couple of years ago. I guess I haven't tried asking because I was relying on Amazon, which now is starting to look iffy for the large bags. My gardening friend and I may try a road trip to a wonderful greenhouse located about 2 hours away, come spring. You are inspiring me. Thanks. Diane

Wow Jerijen, you got some monstrous plants there. They are gorgeous but still a giant. Is that just one plant of each rose?

I agree with the rest and think you may not have enough space for giant climbers, Dobieone. Maybe choose non-climbing ones and plant Sally Holmes in another part of your garden.

Yes. That's one plant of each. And that, BTW, is a virus-free, own-root Sally Holmes.

I think one could easily keep them smaller than that, but that's the size they WANT to be, and I don't much enjoy fighting to keep plants small.

So, no, I would avoid putting Sally Holmes in limited space. I do also grow 'Sharon's Delight' -- a white single very similar in bloom to Sally Holmes, but which has stayed under 4 ft. for me. Note that it loves a hotter climate than mine. Even that, however, might be too wide.

Thanks for the information on scentimental. I didn't realize the flowers doesn't last. Sounds like D.A.'s heritage; as beautiful as the flowers are, you literally can't blink your eyes because it won't be there for long.

I guess maybe I will look for Neil Diamond and Rock and Roll instead. I actually like Rock and Roll; it seems to have three colours.

Thanks for sharing Carol. I hope it blooms for you this coming spring. I find a similar problem with some of my roses too especially D.A.'s golden celebration last summer. It used to bloom profusely but I guess it was affected by the polar vortex. Just curious, which part of Canada are you from? I am from Toronto, Ontario.

I can highly recommend Rock n Roll. I think it is a relative of Neil Diamond. I've posted on my blog about some of my stripeys, including R n R. Check the link for more pictures and a shot of the bush. I have four of them...the most duplicates I have of any rose (except for the icebergs I found here that are more for landscaping).

Initially when I planted my first two, the flowers got fried and I thought it was a weak rose. But we were having an extreme dry heat wave at the time. The roses and the bushes are doing great in normal weather. They've all gone into their second flush ( it's midsummer here).

Here is a link that might be useful: My Striped rose blog post

Spellbound is one of my favorites. Does anyone know of any vendors that sell this rose? Here is a pic of my Spellbound.

I don't know coral from salmon but I know I love Westerland. I grow it as a climber but I know some grow it as a bush. It gets big here and produces lots of blooms all summer..

Thank you Christopher and Seil for those suggestions. I actually had veterans honor and Barcelona on the top of my list to order, but I had to look up all the other names on HMF and I had to add crimson glory, Avon, hearts desire, and velvet fragrance to the list. Yikes! Hmmmmm. Decisions, decisions. I'm hoping that some of the mail order nurseries will have a end of season sale and I will end up with a few of these roses. A girl can dream, right?

I received an unusual Buck rose, Mavourneen, from Heirloom Roses by mistake one year, and found it to be a fragrant interesting red. Its currant red with a slight white outline of white. Its a shrub rose about 4 ft tall but I keep it pruned. It blooms in clusters. It likes more shade than I have it in, but provides a great background for bright colors. I like it very much. Fragrant from 10 ft away. In Gallic its name means "My Darling" according to Dr.Buck.

In my garden, Veteran,s Honor has the best form, red color, thick velvety blooms, large in size for a show rose.
I do like my Olympiad also, although the bloom is smaller.
Another of my favorite red roses in my garden is Beloved.
It's a deep red rose with beautiful form, long stems with
velvety petals, doesn't blow quickly, and is a prolific bloomer.

I have several favorite reds. They are Veteran's Honor, Let Freedom Ring, and Grande Amore. Black Magic is another fav but probably too dark and form can go flat in summer. Grande Amore is more orange red than blue red and the bloom can be smaller at times, not always. Veteran's Honor has been one of the top 3 exhibition roses for years along with Gemini and Moonstone. Let Freedom Ring hasn't been around as long as Veteran's Honor. I have 2 of each of the 4 reds mentioned. If you can, I would recommend getting Veteran's Honor and Let Freedom Ring. I had Opening Night and it bloomed a lot, but the open bloom was as flat as a pancake.

BTW, if you don't like the paint of the bricks on your porch, paint them! They do make a paint for that which won't peel off.

I'm over 1 1/2 yrs late in entering this conversation, so forgive me.

Before I'd consider working with your landscaping, I'd tie the house together. It's too disjointed. The top floor is reminiscent of a half timbered Old English Elizabethan home is Umber. The cedar shakes don't add anything when you consider the other elements. I wonder what might be under those shakes? The ground floor is more of a 1950's +/- brick home with windows that differ greatly in style from that of the 2nd floor is Terra Cotta) And the concrete porch is Redwood in color.

I think you'll be happier in the long run if you can work on unifying the appearance of the house. Then consider adding your climbing rose on each post.

I'd keep the bricks, don't paint them. That leads to forever painting them. So, use that as one of your primary colors. It will take a great mind that what I have as to how to tie in the two floors. But, if you can bring some of that Terra Cotta brick color up, then maybe it would might help OR bring some Umber down to your bricks. Shutters can be unifying, but consider that considerably later. You could even make them yourselves consider the Old English look you have to work with.

Then paint the front on the porch. Maybe the terra cotta color with umber lines. Others could suggest that one better than me.

I'd put a climbing rose on both porch posts. The rose that I'd suggest might not grow there. I called Chamblee's for my own questions regarding another climber. Lady Ashe is one that I would have selected, but the color doesn't work here. The peach accent would blend nicely with the terra cotta colored brick and very fragrant.

Then I'd plant an evergreen shrub that could help fill in both those side of the steps as there are 2 blanks areas that could handle a small shrub nicely.

I can see other areas where you could edge your sidewalk in front with some similar terra cotta colored bricks that you could probably get off Craigslist very reasonably.

There are some other things that can be done, but I just hope that I haven't alienated you by now. So, take what you can and with a breath of kindness blow the rest away.

I hope you are able to live there for years and years. You got a good place to start.

Xtal

Here is a link that might be useful: Lady Ashe

Novalis
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=82761

This post was edited by rumen123 on Fri, Jan 2, 15 at 7:20

A couple more to add to my list:

Electric Blanket
Eureka
Golden Fairy Tale
Sister's Fairy Tale

I bought Drop Dead Red as an impulse buy because my sister love the show Drop Dead Diva. It ended up being a superbe rose. Throughout the whole summer, it is abundant with flowers when other roses took a pause between flowering. The flowers lasted quite a long time and the bush is well behaved, like a natural bride bouquet. It only has BS later in the summer. I would definitely recommend this rose to anyone who is looking for a red floribunda.

JJ - I agree about Drop Dead Red. I planted mine in a container in 2013, it did great. I think I'm going put mine in the ground this spring. The bush has a lovely shape, it's a good rose.

I have a tree rose OTM planted in a place that shades over at about 2pm also. My zone is not nearly as hot as TX so I may not helpful. We do have our stretches of 90s or rarely 100s for about a week. This rose fades to white generally and quickly in heat. Its my only reason I'm gonna replace with Brandy... I didn't want a white rose. Otherwise its a prolific bloomer all the time with huge beautiful blooms. It doesn't flush like most but seems to always have blooms up til December here. In general I wouldn't buy OTM in a hot climate unless you want an apricot that turns white. Weeks missed it with this one.

I love this colour range and it is beautiful. I was looking for this rose last year but couldn't find it. Hopefully I will this spring. I grew Marilyn Monroe and Just Joey and they both died after the first winter. This rose seems to combine the best of two: MM's rose shape and JJ's colour. The only question I have is how BS resistant is it and the zone hardiness?

Marian, gorgeous garden!!!

Mustbnuts and Marian, both of your gardens are very beautiful and flawless. I am sure many people have said that before.

Thank you for sharing all your pics, it definitely open up a lot of possibilities for the rest of us.

Mini roses can come in a variety of sizes. The "mini" refers to the miniature bloom, not necessarily the size of the bush.

I have multiple Sweet Dianas (a mini) that grows about 2 feet tall. I also have multiples of another mini called Green Ice--it sprawls and never gets more than 1 to 1.5 feet tall--mostly spreads outward rather than growing upward. Both Sweet Diana and Green Ice have small blooms (the "mini" part).

I've also heard of some minis that have grown much, much taller--though I believe that is not real common in the world of minis. I think you can also get minis that are climbers, though maybe not more than 5-6 ft.

You will just have to read the description of any mini you are interested in in order to determine how tall the bushes will get. And then plan on them getting taller than that--as roses often do in the warmer regions.

Kate

I've never heard of the term mini floribunda. The ARS recognized class is Miniflora, all one word. Your Mornin' Sunshine is not on HMF but I did find it at Otto & Sons nursery and it looks like it was introduced in 2014 by Certified Roses. Certified classes it as a floribunda but one that has blooms on the smaller size. They say blooms are 2 x 2 inches. They don't list a plant size but say it has a "spreading habit".

As Kate said, mini and miniflora only applies to the size of the bloom and the leaves, not the size of the plant. I have the mini Softee and it gets over 3 feet tall and wide all the time. There are mini climbers, like Jeanne Lajoie, can get 10 or 12 feet tall. If you are looking for compact plant size you need to look for that trait and not rely on the bloom size to indicate the plant size.