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The more people we can get looking for it and removing affected planted especially the neglected ones in commercial plantings, then perhaps the disease level will die down enough we might be able to grow some roses, the way it's going now, it's just going to keep getting worse and worse around here.
I can't answer any questions about the rose bush other than what I said in my original post...it's a Joseph's Coat running rose bush. We haven't trimmed it at all except to cut off the spent blooms (we were told not to for the first two years). We're in North East Texas. The rose bush is in full sun from about 11am and the soil is a sandy loam (a mixture of sand and red clay). Here is a picture from the first year we planted it (two years this month).
Oops...sorry. I missed seeing that your rose is a Joseph's Coat. It's a fairly good grower, but I doubt it can keep up with multiple full-grown plants of yellow jasmine. I'm assuming you're talking about Gelsemium sempervirens, or Carolina jessamine. It's a rambunctious plant here in TN, and there aren't many roses that could keep up with it. I can't say the planting is a "mistake", but it may end up being more upkeep than you want. You're going to need to keep encouraging the rose, and DIScouraging the gelsemium.
John
Back when I had a lot of roses, the beginning of the season pruning was distressing because of cane subtraction. Start with three, then two, then one. I've seen rose bushes with 8 or more and I think it's some kind of miracle.
Since I started up two years ago, I've lost two canes; one I removed when a new cane was crossing with it and another that I fell on.
I'm a huge optimist and if I had the space, I would leave the one cane plant alone and plant another of the same with the requisite number of canes.
The one caner can always be removed and replaced with something else later.
msrose, I believe the drift rose you have in this pic is coral. I posted a whole series of drifts (with pics) on 4-18-15, entitled "No rose blooms continuously like the Drift series". If you like your drift rose, you may find that post interesting. I have around 85 of them.
The one I just planted in the front is actually a carpet rose. I do love the three Drift roses I have in the back though (Pink, Peach, and Sweet). In fact, I was out looking for Apricot today, but couldn't find it. I have a raised bed in my backyard and these roses handle the low water and Texas heat like nothing else. I can't wait to see your pictures!!
I agree Heritage might be a good choice, especially if you're really drawn to it. Since CPM at the other end of this row of roses is pretty tall/climbing, the size of Heritage at this end might look fine, balancing it up.
I wondered, if you liked the idea, whether a simple support (whether functional/disappearing, like a rebar rod teepee, or pretty/decorative, like a painted wooden tuteur) at each end, for CPM and H (or whatever), might help you keep them to a controlled shape, more vertical than widely/wildly sprawling, if horizontal space is an issue. Some do say Heritage is too stiff to train at all, but I think others must have done it. I can't speak to the question from personal experience, but you could search in GardenWeb using the box above to find past threads on the subject, and/or look up 'Heritage' and check the Description, Members Comments and Photos on the HelpMeFind/Roses website to get some idea of the natural growth habits of CPM and H and how others have grown them. Be aware that DAs can vary a lot in both size/vigour and disease resistance in different zones and areas, even in different parts of a garden.
To look up DA alternatives, isn't there an American DA website? Perhaps you could browse through that, then look up any that appeal to you on the above two sources, for further descriptions, photos and comments. I realise you may already be using these resources; I just thought I'd mention them just in case you're not familiar with them - they're both terrifically useful reference points.
Comtesse :¬)
Diane, that's a good idea, thanks! Comtesse, yes, there is a US Austin site, and that's where I got CPM from. I don't know why it didn't occur to me to check with them - I got the new catalog in the mail 3-4 weeks ago, and put it under the coffee table. There's my reading for tonight, although I'm afraid I'll be sorry tomorrow - I didn't read it initially because I can't stop once I open it. I do love Austin roses. Something about all those petals, I think.
I do have a support behind the Princess (well, in my bed she IS, lol!) so as she grows I can put canes up it to try to keep her more vertical than arching. We'll see if she cooperates...
Queen of Sweden is a lovely light pink with a faint apricot blush and very bs resistant and not at all unruly. It grows quite upright and can get rather tall. One of mine is about 7-8 ft tall--I don't quite know why, because the other two are more in the range of 4-5 ft tall (and about 3 ft wide). Perhaps not the quickest re-bloomer when it get really hot, but it is certainly a lovely bloomer when it does bloom. If you got several of them, make a hedge with them--they are great that way. But you can also scatter them around also. Just remember it is not a short shrub, so don't put it in the front row!
Sometimes it can take several years for the Austin shrubs to really hit their prime, so be patient.
Seven Austins for $35? Bargain of the century. Usually ONE Austin costs $35 all by itself! Enjoy!
Kate
Three Queens of Sweden--forming an informal short hedge between my neighbor's garage and my garage.
Wow, you got two really beautiful roses at an unbelievable price. I'm familiar with both, and together they should make a lovely combination colorwise. I used two Tradescants on a central arbor, and flanked them with another upright pink -- Alnwick (Queen of Sweden grows in a similar manner). The Tradescants bloomed like crazy and completely covered the arbor in well under a year. Here's a picture of a Tradescant bloom:
We have an evaluation of Tradescant and many other roses on Humpty Dumpty House facebook. Lots of photos including buds, blooms, leaves, shrub or vine, the arbor, etc. If you visit, please give us a page "like". This simple act can help us get the gardens reopened to the public after my lengthy hospitalization due to an injury. Here's the link:
https://www.facebook.com/HumptyDumptyHouse
Thanks -jannike
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Roses need 3x as much nitrogen as phosphate. Phosphate stays in the soil indefinitely, but available nitrogen leaches out in a month or so. If you use a high-P fertilizer like 5-10-5, you have to apply a 6-fold excess of P in order to get enough N. The dosage instructions on fertilizer labels aim at supplying the right amount of N without overdosing N, which does indeed burn plants.
Strongest for me is Oklahoma. Not my favorite scent, it's so heady and strong. But absolutely the strongest.
Mr Lincoln is another very strongly scented rose that I find has a similar scent
Jude the obscure is my favorite scent. It has a delicious smell the I can just drink in all day. I never find it heavy or overpowering.
Tiffany is very nicely scented, similar to mr Lincoln albeit not as strong
Princess Alexandra of Kent is also a great one with a nice, sweet scent, perhaps similar to Jude, but not as strong.
Belinda's dream has a nice fruity scent, somewhat like berries
Those are great roses summer. They are gonna be huge. They look like my cape diamond roses. I was happy to get the only mister Lincoln at Walmart. Its fun to sort through the table of roses there. My yard is full. I hope you have a lot of room for all those Therese Bugnet.
I only like the super fragrant ones so my favourites are New Zealand, Barbra Streisand, Frederic Mistral, Firefighter, Double Delight, Memorial Day, Beverly, Papa Meilland, Blue Moon, Fragrant Cloud and Stainless Steel. Augusta Luise is beautiful and fragrant but does not look like a HT to me. The bush and flowers are more like the Austin type roses.
Update: After some major babying and some great sunshiny weather (we had been socked in with fog for for a couple weeks) my DD is now blooming. it has 8 long stemmed buds and the couple that have bloomed are beautiful and heavily scented. :) thanks for the tips and the cheerleading!
I have grown DD in my dry and hot zone 10 climate for more than 15 years now and both my plants do great. They don't like my alkaline soil that much and can get chlorosis but this can be corrected with some citric acid and iron chelate. It's flower production is not as massive as say Firefighter or Perfume Delight or Happy Child or Sonia Rykeil but I've always got at least 1 or 2 every week in between the bigger flushes. it is consistently very fragrant in both cold and hot weather. It is one of the first to start flowering and one of the last to finish. It lasts well as a cut rose, opens slowly and looks good for a long time. It is one of my favourites of all time.
When the blooms are white, it looks like a gardenia. I shows up well in the garden, and looks very good paired with the red and pink colored KO's. Any nursery owner calling this rose trash doesn't know what he is talking about. It is a lovely shrub rose and has many uses in the garden.
Judith
My neighbor grows it, and I have often admired it over the backyard fence. If anything, I think the yellow KO is prettier than the cherry red ones you see everywhere around town.
My neighbor also has a pink KO that is very attractive--such a nice change from the inundations of cherry red KOs everywhere.
Kate
One capful of the bottle (about half a cup)