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Anyone know of a hardy climber that has a fragrance, disease resistant and nearly thornless for zone 4?

Celeste, would love to hear from you. Hope all is going well with your family.

Very beautiful Celeste. You have a beautiful garden.

Midnight Blue does the same thing.

This picture shows the three stages of color:

Your bloom is very pretty!

Thanks Jim. Rosecandy, that's a dramatic difference, beautiful rose.

Thanks Michael for the info, I planted two by the mailbox, and one by a tree next to the street, so BS stays away from other roses. I spray sulfur and dish soap water for PM and BS.

I've seen it -- I think in the San Jose Heritage Rose Garden -- I've got a photo somewhere, too. But that don't mean I can find it.

I also have a row of coral sunset peonies as a mock fence between mine and the neighbors lot, trying to decide if I should choose a rose in the same color family or something totally different.

Ballerina might appeal - it makes a pretty container plant, sprays of apple-blossom flowers and the added bonus of cute little hips later in the season. You'd need to check with others re disease-resistance in your area. You can look these or any other roses up by name on a website called HelpMeFind/Roses (sorry I don't know how to post a link); read the description, then click on Photos and Members Comments in the row of tabs at the top of the page for lots of....photos and members' comments (amazingly). :¬D

Oh, sorry, I just reread your comment above - this fenceline is nearby, is it, so the porch roses will need to co-ordinate? I'll have to look up those peonies - Ballerina might not be so great with coral...

Comtesse :¬)

Hi Plectrudis - SS caught my eye when I first saw it in a local nursery. It was trained as a small pillar rose and I really liked its glossy apple-green leaves and lovely cheerful flowers. I also liked the idea of a rose in tribute and remembrance of 9/11 victims.

SS remained in its pot for almost a year as I tried to figure out where to plant it. It went into the ground earlier this year, and I have fanned the canes out to try and get more laterals.

It hasn't been a heavy bloomer for me, but then I hadn't given it ideal conditions for almost a year. I also suspect it may want more summer heat than I get here; I now have it planted in a warm spot against a south-facing wall so we will see if it's happier. It should do well for you with your heat, I think.

If you do get it, then do site it with some thought so it can appear to its best advantage. Mine is against a light colored wall and it is sort of lost against the background. It appeared best when I had it in its pot in front of a dark brown stained fence. It also looked lovely against a white trellis. I am going to get a white obelisk to put near it.

It isn't too vigorous a rose. This may or may not be a problem for you. I am thankful for its restrained growth after fighting with the exuberant growth of many of the Austins in my garden! Though I would like to see it a little more forth-coming with basal breaks - I have had no new canes since I got it.

Overall, I like it. Not my absolute favorite but I am happy to have it.

Apologies for a long-winded answer...

Jo

Thanks for the detailed response, Jo! Especially the point about considering the background color--we'll keep that in mind if we decide to go for it. We have a fair number of rather aggressive roses, so I think one with a more retiring nature would work for us.

All my old garden roses were planted over 25 years ago. I ordered tags and stakes and they didn't last too long. Today, I save everything on my computer. I suppose I could have created a map, but I doubt I would still have it. I couldn't find a hybrid musk. I broadened my search and this looks similar.

blush noisette

Is your rose that soft, cool pink? I thought it was white with pink buds! Jackie, yes, indeed, that's why I suggested AV as a possible alternative. Except that I'm not sure the flowers of AV are reflexing/ pompommy enough, and don't really know about the leaves... I had hoped the FP info might help help clarify whether it might be be a reversion (?) as you suggested.

Comtesse :¬)

I am going to do rebar arches. 1/2" 20' x2 tied and crossed at the center just like used in the photos from Sacramento on the antique roses forum. It will rust but should out live me

Duratrel makes vinyl PVC trellises and arbors. They have a 20 year warranty, and are easy to assemble. Many different styles and price points. They come with metal stakes that when driven into the ground make them sturdy enough for training a rose.

Here's a few links:

http://t.homedepot.com/p/Dura-Trel-85-in-x-64-in-x-28-in-Mocha-Vinyl-PVC-Providence-Arbor-11178M/205709042/

http://t.homedepot.com/p/Dura-Trel-100-in-x-58-in-x-37-in-White-Vinyl-PVC-Hartford-Arbor-11110/205708843/

I have a couple of the trellis in Mocha next to the house and they blend nicely with our brick, which I like, so the rose can stand out.

Any metal type of arbor which is sturdy enough for a rose is a different story, you can't get one that you can assemble, you need to get it in one large piece. That means shipping on a truck and can easily bump up the cost, but I think that A Rustic Garden has a good selection and is reasonable.

http://www.arusticgarden.com/arandar.html

As far as iron, I have actually found it be be more cost effective to have a local metal worker make something.

I have just been going down this road recently looking for a couple of iron obelisks, so this is all fresh in my mind...

On a side note, if the iron is treated correctly, is should not rust into a deteriorated pile. It can be clear coated with a spar-eurathane or an outdoor rated spray paint. Home Depot has a good selection. Granted it will need some maintenance - meaning every couple of years add a clear coat- which I plan to do in winter. I have several outdoor tables which are iron and I have them treated like this. They are many years old and doing great. Nothing is maintenance free. I personally wouldn't want anything rusting onto my roses, so even if you go the re-bar route, I would consider using a spar-eurathane to prevent that...just my 2cent :-)

Have fun with your project!

Adrianne

That's probably because there are so many of them Kidhorn...80 million plus KO's sold in North America... If it was another type of rose that was planted so often we would be saying the same thing about it and RRD...

KOs are no more prone to RRD than any other rose. A couple of reasons people think they are; one there are so darn many of them planted and two they are planted too close together. At least here they are in every bank, shopping center, business park and most homes have them. All of the professional landscapers plant them 2' apart to get the beautiful hedges of color. Canes crossing canes crossing canes and those little mites just crawl right across them eating them up.

Just last week I was driving by an apartment complex with a 50 yd stretch of double pink KOs and right there in the middle of them was obvious RRD. On down the street was a flower bed along side a bank that had about 10 HT and from the street I saw two with RRD. I stopped and went in both places and told them of their problem. The answer I got from both places was, well we will tell the landscape company. I expect that RRD will continue to spread until all the roses in both locations are infected.

Still cranking them out.

The one's I cut on Sunday:

Erika--If you are having trouble finding Black Baccara at helpmefind.com, try the double "c"--not the double "r." : ) I did give you a link to that source in my post above.

Oklahoma might work. At times it is very dark; other times red, but a darker red. I've never quite figured out why it is darker sometimes, more red other times. It also has the advantage of being rather bs resistant--which many, perhaps most, HTs are NOT.

Here's a pic of my Oklahoma, 2 years old, showing its dark phase:

Kate

Kate, you're absolutely right. I did use a double "r" rather than a double "c" at HMF. That is what I get from not double-checking my spelling before typing it into HMF. At the time, I was quite perplexed that HMF didn't have the rose; it had never happened to me before. :)

Thanks Everyone!

Diane, Seil, you've given me the strength to evict WBY. Feels good!

Seil, I could have used that advice fifteen years ago when I moved to LA with the wrong guy! :D

JJ, you're in Markham, right? I'm in Scarborough. I'd be happy to save WBY for you if you like, though as Jim says, this bush could be a dud.

You can consider offering it to a friend.

I have received other people's DUD plants, and they went gangbusters for me and are among my favorite plants. Sometimes it is just your immediate environment isn't right for the plant, or some other rather arbitrary thing that was outside what any of us would know to consider.

It will appease your inner conscious, gives the plant another chance at life and if it dies, its no real lose to your or your beneficiary. Who knows, maybe your friend will turn into another gardener comrade.

(Ooops just noticed you offered it lol.......something about great minds).

No problem! Also, that dog of a rose looks to me like Blue Girl. The one I have also is danged disease ridden it's a wonder that it hasn't keeled over.
But to answer your question, I think most HTs can be grown in big (15 to 20 gallon) containers. Just need a bit more attention to them.

Yeah, Blue Girl was one of the possible identities I had considered for it. I had read it had some "reputation".
It's a weird bush, it has barely 6 or so mature leaf sets, since the others dropped out of sickness, yet it keeps pushing flowers.

And I actually have a 15 gallon pot laying around empty, how convenient!
Thanks again Joe!

Comtesse, are you referring to the Viraraghavans?

The Rose in India

I am indeed, Nik, thank you. That article you linked to on HMF looks as if it includes some of the same contents as the article I mentioned. When I searched on HMF before for the Viraghavans' details, I still couldn't find contact details, except for a private email address in a reply to a query from someone else, which I didn't feel sure it would be OK for anyone other than the questioner to use.

It's rather inconvenient that one can't leave the page even for a moment while writing a post to look up a reference, since one's draft immediately gets wiped out. Maybe something we could ask Tamora about.

Comtesse :¬)